Kibs Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 Is it just horrendous luck? Is it the pitches? Is it the training? Does the high fitness, high intensity pressing system/game we play contribute? And does that style lend itself to such a small squad? And finally, how on earth did teams in the 60s/70s, on those pitches, with their diets etc go through entire seasons using only 14 or 15 players? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevedon Red Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 Because they played on not realising they were injured. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sniper Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 Players today are Athletes and everything is scientific with Diet etc. If a player gets injured it's usually a bad one as they are so primed and lean. Back in the day with players like George Best turning up for a game after leaving a nightclub are long gone. I've never really remember of hearing about an ACL but how things have changed. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curr Avon Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 Apologies if I've missed this, but what is Matty James' injury? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kibs Posted October 28, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 Phil Neal once played 417 consecutive games!!! Unbelievable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sludge Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 8 minutes ago, Kibs said: Phil Neal once played 417 consecutive games!!! Unbelievable *Useless fact alert* He’s also one of a small number of players to have won the champions league/European cup 3 times. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 Comparing them and now is only useful up to a point. Comparison of the division as a whole is a better metric, we have it pretty bad.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pezo Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 23 minutes ago, Kibs said: Is it just horrendous luck? Is it the pitches? Is it the training? Does the high fitness, high intensity pressing system/game we play contribute? And does that style lend itself to such a small squad? And finally, how on earth did teams in the 60s/70s, on those pitches, with their diets etc go through entire seasons using only 14 or 15 players? Because they were good footballers today you have to be a good footballer and an athlete. I would imagine that most 3rd tier sides would run rings around any team from the 60s/70s playing by modern rules. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnheadbcfc Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 Swear it's been the same for last couple of seasons aswel, quite frustrating that the club doesn't keep the fans updated about long term injuries like Atkinson and benarous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kibs Posted October 28, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, Pezo said: Because they were good footballers today you have to be a good footballer and an athlete. I would imagine that most 3rd tier sides would run rings around any team from the 60s/70s playing by modern rules. Assuming they had enough fit first team players to field a team of course 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFCGav Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 They’ve killed our league season I’m afraid. We’ll drop too many points before we have a squad again to have a crack at the top 6. Another year down the loo. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivorguy Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 1 minute ago, BCFCGav said: They’ve killed our league season I’m afraid. We’ll drop too many points before we have a squad again to have a crack at the top 6. Another year down the loo. And please tell us whose fault that is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFCGav Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 Just now, Ivorguy said: And please tell us whose fault that is? I only have theories, like everyone else. I’d like the club to speak on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 As someone who is portrayed on here as a Nige apologist & who never criticises, I do think we are owed a fuller explanation by Dave Rennie and/or Nige. McCrorie could be considered unfortunate with an infection, we knew Rob Atkinson would be out long term with his ACL & I do worry for Benarous as after his second ACL he seemingly cannot keep fit. However beyond those 3 we do still seem to have more than our fair share of injuries & an answer of “just one of those things” isn’t sufficient. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curr Avon Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 27 minutes ago, Curr Avon said: Apologies if I've missed this, but what is Matty James' injury? Just heard on RB, ankle injury from the Ipswich game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveybadger Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 Didn’t we have this debate under LJ and it was given as a reason why we always tailed off as the season went on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 I believe we may see at least one of our long term injured in the U21 game against Watford at Ashton Gate on Tuesday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 14 minutes ago, johnheadbcfc said: Swear it's been the same for last couple of seasons aswel, quite frustrating that the club doesn't keep the fans updated about long term injuries like Atkinson and benarous 5 minutes ago, GrahamC said: As someone who is portrayed on here as a Nige apologist & who never criticises, I do think we are owed a fuller explanation by Dave Rennie and/or Nige. McCrorie could be considered unfortunate with an infection, we knew Rob Atkinson would be out long term with his ACL & I do worry for Benarous as after his second ACL he seemingly cannot keep fit. However beyond those 3 we do still seem to have more than our fair share of injuries & an answer of “just one of those things” isn’t sufficient. I'm proud of you Graham! Sorry, only kidding... The only one that I thought seemed really obviously wrong was I think the first or second game of the season, Weimann started with injections to conceal the pain of a heel tendon injury which I said at the time was weird and lo and behold the injury flailed up and he had to have more time out. That's the kind of gamble you take near the end of the season, or indeed during an injury crisis like the current one, but not then. I don't have any other examples like that but the total number over two years has been shocking. I also think this plays into SL's hands if he wants to bring about change. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benneythered Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 (edited) Surely both Patrick Orme (Head of Fitness and Conditioning) and Derrick Bonsu (Head of Strength and Conditioning) have questions to answer as the players don't seem to be prepared in the way they should be and the problem Dave Rennie was brought in to resolve still exists. This is an issue that keeps happening every season and cant be considered unlucky anymore, there has to be an underlying problem with the facilities,the way the staff manage the players health or both. Edited October 28, 2023 by Redfest 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 7 minutes ago, steveybadger said: Didn’t we have this debate under LJ and it was given as a reason why we always tailed off as the season went on? Wasn't that more fatigue than injuries? I genuinely don't remember! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malago Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 11 minutes ago, GrahamC said: As someone who is portrayed on here as a Nige apologist & who never criticises, I do think we are owed a fuller explanation by Dave Rennie and/or Nige. McCrorie could be considered unfortunate with an infection, we knew Rob Atkinson would be out long term with his ACL & I do worry for Benarous as after his second ACL he seemingly cannot keep fit. However beyond those 3 we do still seem to have more than our fair share of injuries & an answer of “just one of those things” isn’t sufficient. The main criticism I would level, is that it was obvious that Naismith, Williams and James would all miss games through injury throughout the season, probably more than 30 between them. Not taking this into account, or ignoring it if was taken into account, was clearly a mistake, particularly given we’ve reached a point where they are all injured at the same time. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveybadger Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 5 minutes ago, mozo said: Wasn't that more fatigue than injuries? I genuinely don't remember! Quite possible although I guess if ultra pressing is the issue these are just 2 results from the same problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, steveybadger said: Quite possible although I guess if ultra pressing is the issue these are just 2 results from the same problem Yeah Liverpool struggled the same way in early Kloppage 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 I’d love to see the injury rate pre/post deso pitch. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 7 minutes ago, Malago said: The main criticism I would level, is that it was obvious that Naismith, Williams and James would all miss games through injury throughout the season, probably more than 30 between them. Not taking this into account, or ignoring it if was taken into account, was clearly a mistake, particularly given we’ve reached a point where they are all injured at the same time. What is the solution to that, then? We only have about 15 senior outfield players, that includes the likes of Sykes & Tanner (not exactly veterans) & we started the season knowing that Atkinson & McCrorie were long term absentees. Naismith appears to have a decent injury record prior to joining. We simply don’t have the depth to allow players like these to drop out now & then. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_Alligator Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 Finally pushed over the edge (no injuries sustained) with this today - maybe because it was Cardiff?! I hear "injury hit Bristol City" on the radio as I'm driving home, and feel compelled to shout back " it's like this every bloody week mate! ". It IS ridiculous and needs to be addressed by the club. I don't have any answers it's true, but from the "in and outs" like Williams to the extraordinary situation with McCrorie, the whole thing is a total farce. I'm not blaming any player for being injured of course and before I get ripped to shreds, I only mention the two players above as an illustration. But this has gone on for far too long now to be just part and parcel of the game. Who would want to be in charge of a squad where you've got no chance of picking the same team from one week to another? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View from the Dolman Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 17 minutes ago, Barrs Court Red said: I’d love to see the injury rate pre/post deso pitch. You'll have to update that theory - Ashton Gate no longer has a Desso pitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomad Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 We are no longer a hard pressing team so that can be ruled out as the cause. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Robin Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 (edited) I still think it's mainly bad luck: there are other teams who play with a high intensity style, other teams who have old/injury-prone players in the squad or a relatively small number of players...yet nobody reaches our number of injuries so frequently, season after season. I get some of the criticism about SL (Scott money not invested), but honesly I don't think that having 2 more players would have changed much of our situation (what if they got injured too?). Frustrating, cruelly undeserved, but we have to cope again with this huge problem. A deep analysis of training regime etc. should be done, but I'm not sure it would give us many answers. At this point, should we take a look at the free agents market, at least for a defender, or should we resist until some players are back/until January comes? Wage bill an issue or maybe not so much? Edited October 28, 2023 by Dan Robin 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, Dan Robin said: At this point, should we take a look at the free agents market, at least for a defender, or should we resist until some players are back/until January comes? Absolutely not. They haven’t played since May, won’t be anywhere near match fit for weeks. Pointless. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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