LondonBristolian Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 What I wonder - and this might be nonsense - is whether the number of injuries we’re getting is the direct result of the number of injuries we have. By which I mean that the lack of options means we can’t rotate and rest players who are either tired or carrying minor knocks and that is then leading to those players developing injuries which result in them missing games. 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedEyez Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 I wonder if any of the walking wounded will be available next weekend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bexhill reds Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said: What I wonder - and this might be nonsense - is whether the number of injuries we’re getting is the direct result of the number of injuries we have. By which I mean that the lack of options means we can’t rotate and rest players who are either tired or carrying minor knocks and that is then leading to those players developing injuries which result in them missing games. NP mentioned in the post match interview that the majority are impact/match injuries rather than training, only one is a training injury. Bit of a spikey interview to be fair Edited October 28, 2023 by bexhill reds 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Robin Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 6 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said: What I wonder - and this might be nonsense - is whether the number of injuries we’re getting is the direct result of the number of injuries we have. By which I mean that the lack of options means we can’t rotate and rest players who are either tired or carrying minor knocks and that is then leading to those players developing injuries which result in them missing games. Yeah, it's a vicious circle, but all starts with an anomalous number of injuries at the same time. If we had the same number of injuries but "shared" in different moments of the season, the impact would be different both on the single player (less chance of recurring injuries) and the team, not to mention results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 20 minutes ago, bexhill reds said: NP mentioned in the post match interview that the majority are impact/match injuries rather than training, only one is a training injury. Bit of a spikey interview to be fair He was clear that we've just had bad luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 Just now, mozo said: He was clear that we've just had bad luck. Not saying I agree, but he’s never going to say anything else, is he? I don’t think that really covers it but would be very surprised if the club looks to explain further, though I think they should. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzy Red Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 1 hour ago, johnheadbcfc said: Swear it's been the same for last couple of seasons aswel, quite frustrating that the club doesn't keep the fans updated about long term injuries like Atkinson and benarous BCFC management don't want to communicate to the fans From my experience with the club lately it's a closed shop It's sad but true I don't know whether it's a directive from above but they don't want to involve fans other than take their money Gone are the days of Beryl Fudge | Terry Cooper | Lisa Fillingham who had the club at heart It's just a job for them no interest in BCFC fans at all 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 1 hour ago, johnheadbcfc said: Swear it's been the same for last couple of seasons aswel, quite frustrating that the club doesn't keep the fans updated about long term injuries like Atkinson and benarous Pearson updates pretty much every press conference. Atkinson training and due to play for the 21s very soon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 2 hours ago, Port Said Red said: I believe we may see at least one of our long term injured in the U21 game against Watford at Ashton Gate on Tuesday. Will be good to see Rob back on the grass then ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fgrsimon Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 2 hours ago, johnheadbcfc said: Swear it's been the same for last couple of seasons aswel, quite frustrating that the club doesn't keep the fans updated about long term injuries like Atkinson and benarous Longer than that. I can barely remember a season that we didn't have a good proportion of the squad out. Even 2017-18 LJ often basically had 11 players to choose from which, in his case, was actually beneficial because he couldn't meddle too much. O'Dowda, Kalas, Duric, Paterson, Taylor, Korey Smith, Gary O'Neill, long spells out around that time. Contrast to the 2014-2015 promotion season where we only had 2 significant injuries (Wilbraham and Agard and then JET and Matt Smith slotted in perfectly). The Holden season was ridiculous, as is this season. Cant just simply be bad luck for it to happen season after season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuffle Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, GrahamC said: As someone who is portrayed on here as a Nige apologist & who never criticises, I do think we are owed a fuller explanation by Dave Rennie and/or Nige. McCrorie could be considered unfortunate with an infection, we knew Rob Atkinson would be out long term with his ACL & I do worry for Benarous as after his second ACL he seemingly cannot keep fit. However beyond those 3 we do still seem to have more than our fair share of injuries & an answer of “just one of those things” isn’t sufficient. 2 hours ago, GrahamC said: I think one of the most frustrating things is that players are close and the timeline just slides. Wells was pushing for a return possibly against Ipswich and now not available to god knows when. Tanner was a knock but should be back after international break & now we have no idea on a return date. Joe Williams was two weeks & another not likely to be fit for next week. Agree it would be good to get a more in depth update. Edited October 28, 2023 by Shuffle 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 1 hour ago, bexhill reds said: NP mentioned in the post match interview that the majority are impact/match injuries rather than training, only one is a training injury. Bit of a spikey interview to be fair Yes, heard that bit too. I dunno what the answer is, we’ve cut down on muscle type injuries significantly, but now are getting impact injuries. It’s killing us, just two more players in the squad is probably enough, that’s the really frustrating thing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tin Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 1 hour ago, LondonBristolian said: What I wonder - and this might be nonsense - is whether the number of injuries we’re getting is the direct result of the number of injuries we have. By which I mean that the lack of options means we can’t rotate and rest players who are either tired or carrying minor knocks and that is then leading to those players developing injuries which result in them missing games. Agree with a lot of that. I think it’s down to a lack of strength in depth and that’s partially down to long-term injuries. What I struggle to get my head around is we had the option to add a couple of players post-Scott and we didn’t. Thats really costing us now. That’s meant we haven’t been able to rotate the players we’ve got, and as such we can’t protect those coming back from injury either. A totally avoidable catch 22. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphindevon Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Port Said Red said: I believe we may see at least one of our long term injured in the U21 game against Watford at Ashton Gate on Tuesday. Welcome back Rob, I’m presuming? It will be good to see him back. Hope it goes smoothly, there’s often small unrelated injuries after long lay offs, so I guess we’ll have to be patient. Edited October 28, 2023 by ralphindevon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bexhill reds Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 1 minute ago, Davefevs said: Yes, heard that bit too. I dunno what the answer is, we’ve cut down on muscle type injuries significantly, but now are getting impact injuries. It’s killing us, just two more players in the squad is probably enough, that’s the really frustrating thing. Could it be the pitch given that it’s part artificial part grass and the amount of sport played on it, no other teams seem to be getting this volume of injuries season after season. It seems to be affecting us more than most, other than Atkinson at Sunderland, I wonder how many of the non impact match related injuries have arisen from AG as a result of the quality of the pitch in terms of grip lack of or otherwise? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 5 minutes ago, bexhill reds said: Could it be the pitch given that it’s part artificial part grass and the amount of sport played on it, no other teams seem to be getting this volume of injuries season after season. It seems to be affecting us more than most, other than Atkinson at Sunderland, I wonder how many of the non impact match related injuries have arisen from AG as a result of the quality of the pitch in terms of grip lack of or otherwise? It’s probably one for those with a sports science background, but I don’t think we can put impact injuries down to the pitch, and as above muscle injuries are decreasing. However Joint and Ligament injuries appear to be on the up. Pitches are harder, the game is quicker. That will be a contributory factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herbsley Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 Did wonder that today NP took the hit on the injured players ready for forthcoming 2 winnable games even if it meant 3 points lost? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bexhill reds Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 15 minutes ago, Davefevs said: It’s probably one for those with a sports science background, but I don’t think we can put impact injuries down to the pitch, and as above muscle injuries are decreasing. However Joint and Ligament injuries appear to be on the up. Pitches are harder, the game is quicker. That will be a contributory factor. I was thinking more of the various hamstring, calve and Vyner’s ACL-lite that all seems to be fairly innocuous in terms of their occurrence. But definitely one that should be looked at if the club have not done so already. We do seem to be consistently unfortunate when it comes to medium terms injuries Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dredd Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 I think they have the same pitches up at the HPC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeez Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 4 hours ago, Kibs said: Is it just horrendous luck? Is it the pitches? Is it the training? Does the high fitness, high intensity pressing system/game we play contribute? And does that style lend itself to such a small squad? And finally, how on earth did teams in the 60s/70s, on those pitches, with their diets etc go through entire seasons using only 14 or 15 players? Its called trying to bootstrap an EFL championship club. We’re reaping what we’ve sown. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cityboy1954 Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 6 hours ago, Curr Avon said: Apologies if I've missed this, but what is Matty James' injury? Ankle injury in training so say . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbytheriver Posted October 29, 2023 Report Share Posted October 29, 2023 Sad thing about yesterday was that as much effort as the players put in you just knew we would lose. Felt sorry for sykes having to play full back again.So restricting for him.Realise we had no choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Cyril Posted October 29, 2023 Report Share Posted October 29, 2023 In the 80s, we had the magic sponge. Need to turn the stadium upside down and find it again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loosey Boy Posted October 29, 2023 Report Share Posted October 29, 2023 48 minutes ago, johnbytheriver said: Sad thing about yesterday was that as much effort as the players put in you just knew we would lose. Felt sorry for sykes having to play full back again.So restricting for him.Realise we had no choice. Agreed - always going to be tough with so many players out and for a number in the team, playing out of position - thought Sykes for one, comes out of yesterday with huge credit… Just hope we get a few back over the next week or so (as Nige suggested would be the case) so that we can get back to winning ways. The next two games before the International break feel huge now, for a number of reasons… COYRs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cityboy1954 Posted October 29, 2023 Report Share Posted October 29, 2023 (edited) 14 hours ago, Sheltons Army said: Will be good to see Rob back on the grass then ! Last week wells was supposed to be close no mention of him today said for next week possible vyner and Naismith Edited October 29, 2023 by Cityboy1954 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjak Posted October 29, 2023 Report Share Posted October 29, 2023 17 hours ago, BCFCGav said: They’ve killed our league season I’m afraid. We’ll drop too many points before we have a squad again to have a crack at the top 6. Another year down the loo. A lack of squad recruitment has also contributed, with our bench looking like a six form college outing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fgrsimon Posted October 30, 2023 Report Share Posted October 30, 2023 I was reading about Southend this evening; due to extreme off field issues they have been operating with a squad of 15 this season, 4 on the bench on Saturday (including a 37 year old goalkeeper). No U21 team/players as far as I know. The National League schedule is very intense early in the season, they've played 18 League games so far plus FA Cup games, they've overcome a 10 point deduction and are now 14th. I suggest someone at Ashton Gate looks at how they are handling fitness and injuries. Yes it's a much lower level of football but they are full-time players too. Would be interesting to know if they are doing anything specific to try to limit injuries and maintain fitness while still being competetive. If they had our squad they'de be starting games with 6 players!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latcher Posted October 30, 2023 Report Share Posted October 30, 2023 20 hours ago, Mad Cyril said: In the 80s, we had the magic sponge. Need to turn the stadium upside down and find it again. Back in the day, players didn't have ankle ligament damage - they had sprained ankles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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