westonred Posted November 5, 2023 Report Share Posted November 5, 2023 Has just scored his 10th goal of the season. Why oh why wasnt he given a chance here? He's exactly the sort of player we need 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Redrascal2 Posted November 5, 2023 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 5, 2023 1 minute ago, westonred said: Has just scored his 10th goal of the season. Why oh why wasnt he given a chance here? He's exactly the sort of player we need Lee Johnson 19 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slack Posted November 5, 2023 Report Share Posted November 5, 2023 Chuck this in ex players thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersonic Robin Posted November 5, 2023 Report Share Posted November 5, 2023 We signed him at a time when we were stockpiling players, so not a surprise he didn't get that many minutes. In fairness to LJ, Szmodics did seem to struggle in the brief appearances he had for us. I recall coming away from games thinking "oh....that's why Szmodics isn't getting much game time". Easy to say we should have persisted with Szmodics now we have the benefit of hindsight, but at the time he left the club for League 1 Peterborough, it didn't seem an unreasonable decision to sell him. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUSSEL85 Posted November 5, 2023 Report Share Posted November 5, 2023 Thought he was our next manager for a minute. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILINFRANCE Posted November 5, 2023 Report Share Posted November 5, 2023 33 minutes ago, westonred said: Has just scored his 10th goal of the season. Why oh why wasnt he given a chance here? He's exactly the sort of player we need Because, effectively, he was in direct competition with our 'star signing', Kasey Palmer. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearded_red Posted November 5, 2023 Report Share Posted November 5, 2023 Easy to slip through the cracks when you’re signing a million players every transfer window. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted November 5, 2023 Report Share Posted November 5, 2023 1 minute ago, Supersonic Robin said: We signed him at a time when we were stockpiling players, so not a surprise he didn't get that many minutes. In fairness to LJ, Szmodics did seem to struggle in the brief appearances he had for us. I recall coming away from games thinking "oh....that's why Szmodics isn't getting much game time". Easy to say we should have persisted with Szmodics now we have the benefit of hindsight, but at the time he left the club for League 1 Peterborough, it didn't seem an unreasonable decision to sell him. This is true but I do feel that, if you sign players from a division below, you have to give them time to settle and prove themselves whereas Johnson was quick to discard players like Szmodics, Eisa and Adelakun. Obviously we will never know if they were his signings but - in Szmodics’ case - he must have been impacted by the fact he had a decent pre-season but then Kasey Palmer was effectively brought in to replace him before he had even played a competitive game for us… 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted November 5, 2023 Report Share Posted November 5, 2023 31 minutes ago, Redrascal2 said: Lee Johnson Just so. LJ signed Szmodics and then wasted a few million on Kasey Palmer. There is wasn’t room for both in the team so LJ decided to put his, mistaken, belief in Palmer. Without Palmer Szmodics could have been given time to adjust to Championship football 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted November 5, 2023 Report Share Posted November 5, 2023 A certain CEO is getting off very lightly. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersonic Robin Posted November 5, 2023 Report Share Posted November 5, 2023 8 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said: This is true but I do feel that, if you sign players from a division below, you have to give them time to settle and prove themselves whereas Johnson was quick to discard players like Szmodics, Eisa and Adelakun. Obviously we will never know if they were his signings but - in Szmodics’ case - he must have been impacted by the fact he had a decent pre-season but then Kasey Palmer was effectively brought in to replace him before he had even played a competitive game for us… Agree, the fundamental issue was a dodgy transfer policy. I think we were slightly unsure what we wanted from Szmodics. Was he "one for the future"? If so, a 24 year old from League 2 doesn't seem like a player with room for significant development. Was he "one to hit the ground running"? If so, you're asking a lot for a player to step up 2 divisions and immediately have an impact. As you say, the Palmer signing then complicated things further. Very much seemed like a signing made without any clear plan or thought process. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shauntaylor85 Posted November 5, 2023 Report Share Posted November 5, 2023 57 minutes ago, westonred said: Has just scored his 10th goal of the season. Why oh why wasnt he given a chance here? He's exactly the sort of player we need Because Johnson is pathetic. I have a Col U mate connected to SS and his time here wasn’t great put it that way! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted November 5, 2023 Report Share Posted November 5, 2023 Sammie Szmodics was sacrificed so that Kasey Palmer could "flourish". One of the worst footballing injustices in our recent history. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted November 5, 2023 Report Share Posted November 5, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Supersonic Robin said: Agree, the fundamental issue was a dodgy transfer policy. I think we were slightly unsure what we wanted from Szmodics. Was he "one for the future"? If so, a 24 year old from League 2 doesn't seem like a player with room for significant development. Was he "one to hit the ground running"? If so, you're asking a lot for a player to step up 2 divisions and immediately have an impact. As you say, the Palmer signing then complicated things further. Very much seemed like a signing made without any clear plan or thought process. That summer was when we abandoned any notions of building a squad and were basically trading for the sake of it. We signed Szmodics, he did well enough in preseason but then we brought Palmer in so that was the end of that. We also had Paterson who could play that position and ended up having to go out on loan, only to be recalled in January. In much the same way that we signed Massengo and Nagy so Pack had to leave when he didn't really want to. Edited November 5, 2023 by Northern Red 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted November 5, 2023 Report Share Posted November 5, 2023 @PHILINFRANCE I went to the Tampa training camp. Watching Szmodics was such a breath of fresh air. He was dynamic, pacey, powerful for a smaller guy. I was so excited to see him play for us that season after Palmer's lacklustre loan spell. Then we made Palmer permanent 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted November 5, 2023 Report Share Posted November 5, 2023 33 minutes ago, Supersonic Robin said: We signed him at a time when we were stockpiling players, so not a surprise he didn't get that many minutes. In fairness to LJ, Szmodics did seem to struggle in the brief appearances he had for us. I recall coming away from games thinking "oh....that's why Szmodics isn't getting much game time". Easy to say we should have persisted with Szmodics now we have the benefit of hindsight, but at the time he left the club for League 1 Peterborough, it didn't seem an unreasonable decision to sell him. He was our best player that pre season, then came the real thing and he found himself given a bit part role to play at best. Palmer might have been his direct competition but even back then there was only one of the two I would have picked and it wasn’t Kasey! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pride of the west Posted November 5, 2023 Report Share Posted November 5, 2023 I'm sure he was one that the recruitment team churned out and Johnson needed to be persuaded as he wasn't keen and then went with it as palmer wasn't looking likely at the time. Then once palmer got wrapped up he was in the team as effectively he was Johnsons signing 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjak Posted November 5, 2023 Report Share Posted November 5, 2023 What an excellent player.........talent spotted........talent wasted.......and then sacrificed on the pyre of LJ's Ego? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted November 5, 2023 Report Share Posted November 5, 2023 Anyone else remember that we also had to hastily get rid of Paterson on loan to Derby. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathandao Posted November 30, 2023 Report Share Posted November 30, 2023 (edited) What a player we could've had... Edited November 30, 2023 by Nathandao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted November 30, 2023 Report Share Posted November 30, 2023 6 hours ago, Nathandao said: What a player we could've had... We had. Had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted December 12, 2023 Report Share Posted December 12, 2023 Championship player of the month for November Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted December 13, 2023 Report Share Posted December 13, 2023 Nice message from him, possibly a little more than we deserve. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted December 13, 2023 Report Share Posted December 13, 2023 LJ didn’t rate Szmodics and he was allowed to move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted December 13, 2023 Report Share Posted December 13, 2023 More fool LJ. Albeit players do develop at different times, look at Wes Burns too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 1 Report Share Posted January 1 Another goal for him today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Balls Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 On 01/01/2024 at 18:34, Mr Popodopolous said: Another goal for him today. Definitely badly handled by LJ. But he wasn’t the only player sacrificed in a churn that looked like Ashton was playing Top Trumps with potential signings, and ended up getting them all while SL’s attention was elsewhere. On 13/12/2023 at 19:21, Mr Popodopolous said: More fool LJ. Albeit players do develop at different times, look at Wes Burns too. Wes Burns always had pace and some skills. What he has gained is a lot of experience in L1 that has allowed him to finally flourish at this level. Just a shame it’s at Ipswich with Ashton! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILINFRANCE Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 On 30/11/2023 at 13:23, Nathandao said: What a player we could've had... On 30/11/2023 at 19:41, ExiledAjax said: We had. Had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 Few things to remember. - He signed 4 years ago, and joined from playing in League Two. - Palmer had 70 odd Championship appearances when we signed him - Szmodics was likely to become a decent Champ player in time, Palmer was hoped to become a decent Prem player - This is the first Championship season Szmodics has hit double figures - Ambitions that season were play offs, so we wanted the best we could get Can fully understand LJ's decision to prefer Palmer, however I'd personally wasn't sold on signing KP at the time post loan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 1 hour ago, Selred said: Few things to remember. - He signed 4 years ago, and joined from playing in League Two. - Palmer had 70 odd Championship appearances when we signed him - Szmodics was likely to become a decent Champ player in time, Palmer was hoped to become a decent Prem player - This is the first Championship season Szmodics has hit double figures - Ambitions that season were play offs, so we wanted the best we could get Can fully understand LJ's decision to prefer Palmer, however I'd personally wasn't sold on signing KP at the time post loan. What is often forgotten is that the late signing of Palmer meant we had three “no10s”…Szmodics, Palmer and Paterson. Paterson was hastily loaned to Derby, to return in January…which meant Szmodics was then loaned to Peterborough. Clumsy / chaotic recruitment, wasteful too. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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