cheese Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 Haven't seen this mentioned anywhere else but the poor love's need even more advantages when relegated. To me, this is creating a closed shop via the back door. How can anyone compete? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GrahamC Posted November 10, 2023 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 Whole thing is a complete farce. 13 4 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 Ridiculous - what's the point if it's a completely skewed contest? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 Yeh it's part of the introduction of SCMP into the Championship. That introduction is one of the things that the PL are insisting on as a condition of the EFL getting a new settlement/deal. Yes, it's stupid and anti-competitive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 6 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said: Ridiculous - what's the point if it's a completely skewed contest? It’s obvious they don’t really want a “contest” just the same yo yo clubs whilst those above this stay there in perpetuity. Don’t have any interest in watching the Prem anymore, it bores me to tears, but virtually eliminating the possibility of getting there sort of defeats the point of the game. 13 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 Another nail in the meritocracy coffin . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Open End Numb Legs Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 It is all relative. To compete in the Prem they need to spend big and assuring finances in the event of relegation seems a sensible move for them in terms of contracts and retaining players. It is very bad for the Champ of course and with the existing parachute payments they need to find a better way to do re distribute wealth in the game or it will get too polarised. The wrong move at this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 (edited) I saw that in the Times the other day. Surely the EFL won't agree to this or will they?? The money is welcome but the strings are too tight. Think 16/24 (used to be 18/24), Championship clubs need to vote in favour to agree to a rule change but I dunno if the 72 as a whole supersedes. Parachute Payments vs Solidarity Payments gap would decrease but would still exist. Edited November 10, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 11 minutes ago, GrahamC said: It’s obvious they don’t really want a “contest” just the same yo yo clubs whilst those above this stay there in perpetuity. Don’t have any interest in watching the Prem anymore, it bores me to tears, but virtually eliminating the possibility of getting there sort of defeats the point of the game. As I’ve said the PL has 25 clubs, they just let 20 play each each season. 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spud21 Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 5 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: I saw that in theTimes other day. Surely the EFL won't agree to this or will they?? The money is welcome but the strings are too much. Think 16/24 (used to be 18/24), Championship clubs need to vote in favour to agree to a rule change but I dunno if the 72 as a whole supersedes. Parachute Payments vs Solidarity Payments gap would decrease but would still exist. I suspect that they will much like they did with EPPP that was certainly not in the clubs as a whole interest. Think there will be 2 sorts of clubs thst back it for different reasons, the big clubs thst will want it to try and ensure that they get even bigger advantages as and when they go up and down, and then the other clubs like us and others who are spending beyond their means to try and compete with the bugger sides so they need the extra money that will come from this. I can't help but feel more and more that something drastic needs to happen like the big 6 sodding off to a shitty superleague to cause a financial reset where the rest of the clubs can start to live within their means and have a league system based on merit not how much money your accountants can be creative with to avoid FFP or how much you can ignore the rules because if it works it doesn't matter. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bas's perfect hattrick Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 They're desperate to imitate the American closed leagues. More guaranteed money that way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Team Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 27 minutes ago, GrahamC said: It’s obvious they don’t really want a “contest” just the same yo yo clubs whilst those above this stay there in perpetuity. Don’t have any interest in watching the Prem anymore, it bores me to tears, but virtually eliminating the possibility of getting there sort of defeats the point of the game. Completely agree Graham. Wouldn’t surprised me if they stop relegation in a few years. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 8 minutes ago, Spud21 said: I suspect that they will much like they did with EPPP that was certainly not in the clubs as a whole interest. Think there will be 2 sorts of clubs thst back it for different reasons, the big clubs thst will want it to try and ensure that they get even bigger advantages as and when they go up and down, and then the other clubs like us and others who are spending beyond their means to try and compete with the bugger sides so they need the extra money that will come from this. I can't help but feel more and more that something drastic needs to happen like the big 6 sodding off to a shitty superleague to cause a financial reset where the rest of the clubs can start to live within their means and have a league system based on merit not how much money your accountants can be creative with to avoid FFP or how much you can ignore the rules because if it works it doesn't matter. There was talk of the EFL (EFL clubs vote on regs) vehemently opposing certain matters but that seems to have gone quieter sadly. Lower clubs will back it because they can be a bit hand to mouth, clubs at our level might as you say because they will cut to cut the spending gap. FFP loopholes have been closed significantly but that is for another thread. 1 minute ago, One Team said: Completely agree Graham. Wouldn’t surprised me if they stop relegation in a few years. FA have a Golden Share so dunno whether that is likely tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 I'm confused as anything with the PL attitude I don't understand why they would ever want a closed shop with clubs like Leeds/Sheff Wed/Sunderland/Derby outside and tiny or unattractive clubs like Bournemouth/Burnley/Brentford/Luton inside 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 19 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: There was talk of the EFL (EFL clubs vote on regs) vehemently opposing certain matters but that seems to have gone quieter sadly. Lower clubs will back it because they can be a bit hand to mouth, clubs at our level might as you say because they will cut to cut the spending gap. FFP loopholes have been closed significantly but that is for another thread. FA have a Golden Share so dunno whether that is likely tbh. The PL, being the monster created by the FA seem to tell the FA what to do now due to the amount of money they bring in. That's the only reason that the EFL still invite the PL clubs to win their competition. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 25 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said: I'm confused as anything with the PL attitude I don't understand why they would ever want a closed shop with clubs like Leeds/Sheff Wed/Sunderland/Derby outside and tiny or unattractive clubs like Bournemouth/Burnley/Brentford/Luton inside You have to remember how the PL makes decisions. It makes them by votes, and a decision needs 14 out of 20 votes to pass. Thus the big 6 clubs need to keep at least 8 of the others on their side if they want to push through any changes that they want. This is why "the PL" will propose things that seem to benefit Brentford and Bournemouth rather than Leeds or Sheff Wednesday. It gets the clubs that are in the PL now on side with the big 6. It's political. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 1 hour ago, GrahamC said: It’s obvious they don’t really want a “contest” just the same yo yo clubs whilst those above this stay there in perpetuity. Don’t have any interest in watching the Prem anymore, it bores me to tears, but virtually eliminating the possibility of getting there sort of defeats the point of the game. What a weird thing to say considering the amount of people across the world that watch it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 8 minutes ago, Super said: What a weird thing to say considering the amount of people across the world that watch it. "People voted for the Nazis and like Coldplay, Jez. You can't trust people!" (FWIW I agree with Gray) 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Open End Numb Legs Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 Some of the speed of passing in the Prem is stunning. Championship on fast forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, Super said: What a weird thing to say considering the amount of people across the world that watch it. That's because the vast majority of those that watch across the world are "fans" of Man City, Man U, Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs and Liverpool. They are not Bristol City fans and couldn't care less about the inequality that parachute payments cause in the championship. Unfortunately the revenue generated by those worldwide Premier league fans/viewers only further exacerbates the financial divide. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderInACan Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 The premier league are proper see you next Tuesdays Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 4 minutes ago, Open End Numb Legs said: Some of the speed of passing in the Prem is stunning. Championship on fast forward. Our passing out from the back is like watching a prem team in a slo mo replay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curr Avon Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 1 hour ago, GrahamC said: Whole thing is a complete farce. Really? Aren't you looking forward to us failing in the Premier League, then benefiting from that failure? There's a flaw in this plan somewhere, but I can't quite pin it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 5 minutes ago, downendcity said: That's because the vast majority of those that watch across the world are "fans" of Man City, Man U, Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs and Liverpool. They are not Bristol City fans and couldn't care less about the inequality that parachute payments cause in the championship. Unfortunately the revenue generated by those worldwide Premier league fans/viewers only further exacerbates the financial divide. I agree it's unfair but to say it's boring it's boring to watch is complete nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elhombrecito Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 20 minutes ago, Super said: I agree it's unfair but to say it's boring it's boring to watch is complete nonsense. Different strokes for different folks. One person's entertaining, is another person's boring. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gert Mare Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 Those who think that creating greater disparity between football clubs is for the good of the game aren't seeing the whole picture. The day that football truly becomes a closed shop will be the death of the great game. It's a real shame. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Curr Avon said: Really? Aren't you looking forward to us failing in the Premier League, then benefiting from that failure? There's a flaw in this plan somewhere, but I can't quite pin it. No, not bothered. Seen us in the top flight before & no confidence we would spend money wisely in the increasingly unlikely prospect we get there in my lifetime. Really enjoy watching Championship football, doesn’t bother me at all. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Super said: What a weird thing to say considering the amount of people across the world that watch it. Not really, because everyone is free to like what they want. I like music & films that probably aren’t exactly mainstream, it doesn’t mean I’m right or I’m wrong. More people like Ed Sheeran than the music I like, no one is right, just completely subjective. I find an incredibly predictable league with clubs owned by very dubious people & games ruined by VAR to be a total bore. I’m not stopping anyone else from watching it, the plastic fans with absolutely no local connection “supporting” Liverpool, Man U, Chelsea, etc, etc. Just not for me. Edited November 10, 2023 by GrahamC 11 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 Should the EFL wait, try to haggle a better desl or wait and bank on the new Regulator imposing a better deal across the board. My preference would be: *Take Solidarity Payments *Take Parachute Payments *Stick it in a pot with the EFL own T.V. deal. *Pool that amount then distribute equally by club, weighted by division as with the EFL TV deal. If we must have this 70% rule then it applies to all, irrespective of relegation or promotion to the Championship. Still won't get pure equality but it seems a pretty fair way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 28 minutes ago, GrahamC said: Not really, because everyone is free to like what they want. I like music & films that probably aren’t exactly mainstream, it doesn’t mean I’m right or I’m wrong. More people like Ed Sheeran than the music I like, no one is right, just completely subjective. I find an incredibly predictable league with clubs owned by very dubious people & games ruined by VAR to be a total bore. I’m not stopping anyone else from watching it, the plastic fans with absolutely no local connection “supporting” Liverpool, Man U, Chelsea, etc, etc. Just not for me. Better hope we don't go up then. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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