BCFCNW Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 Maybe grateful is not the right word but workers are exploited here as well, it's not all reserved for places like Bangladesh. ← Very true, but at least here you have a fighting chance (and choice) of avoiding exploitation.....and as far as I'm aware it would be illegal for children in this country to work in sweat shops (though Ive seen em in sweet shops a few times). And no, I'm not a sodding lefty liberal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WillsbridgeRed Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 Hmmm if it's so bad why do people work there? Surely if there's allegations of criminal acts the vietnamese police would be involved, they take a very strong line on crime. Is this like one of these "reports" that swear blind British troops have killed thousands of innocent civillians? As a few of you are so keen to protect poor downtrodden workers, camapaign against the EU'S subsidies to French tobacco farmers, who's tobacco is to toxic for EU consumption and is "dumped" on north african countries, there by pushing African farmers out of business. Strangely the socialist left have no problem with this, I wonder why! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zookeeper Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 "Wouldn't providing a simple education so they can get a kick start in life be so much better then a life of poorly-paid, unsecure, mediocre jobs?" Wouldn't ensuring a demorcratic, non corupt government in a secure country be a better first step? Also breaking the tribal culture of many 3rd world countries which cause such disruption in the first place. "I wouldn't call myself a liberal lefty Wills. More like a caring human being " I'd call you someone that's swallowed the bait, the hook and the fishing rod :grr: ← Somethings are there to be mocked some things aren't.It's not like you are dissing an overpayed, underplayed footballer in this instance. Some people care about others and don't enjoy some smartarsed reply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFCNW Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 Aha, this old nugget of shirts again. Why oh why do some people want to buy a shirt just because it is manufactured by a certain 'brand'? I'll never understand it... The idea of 'I'd buy it for the label' shows how superficial some people are. Here's news to you: image isn't everything in life. In fact, most people who wear 'named' clothes end up looking like walking billboards. The whole idea of having to wear a certain brand to be 'cool' is laughable at best. Anyhow, back to football shirts. The club get a better profit from going with someone like TFG (can't complain too much about that. Although I admit it would be nicer if the shirts were slightly cheaper). And ethical people like me can sleep better knowing that my shirt wasn't made in a sweatshop in Indonesia but a factory in Scotland (Glasgow I think, Richard Gould answered a question about this before on the old forum) ← Reminds me of that Ali G inetrview where he asks that Saville Row suit designer 'why don't you put the label on the outside like Tommy Hilfiger does'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Man In Black Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 Wills, just because I'm ranting off about third world working conditions in this thread doesn't mean that I also whinge about EU subsidies and 'dumping'. To me, in the larger picture they are all interlinked and have to be sorted. The biggest problem is apathy. Too many people believe that they can't change things (possibly instilled by governments... who knows? ) but the fact is that Nike etc. only produce products in such conditions is because consumers buy them. So if people stopped acting like sheep things would change. Fact. Agree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerry Gows' Tash Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 I think the new away shirts are cool, the way I look at it a footy shirt makes a statment by virtue of the clubs badge and colours, not by the brand, personally I like Adidas and it would be cool to have a City Adidas shirt but whoever makes it if it's City I'll wear it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WillsbridgeRed Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 Wills, just because I'm ranting off about third world working conditions in this thread doesn't mean that I also whinge about EU subsidies and 'dumping'. To me, in the larger picture they are all interlinked and have to be sorted. The biggest problem is apathy. Too many people believe that they can't change things (possibly instilled by governments... who knows? ) but the fact is that Nike etc. only produce products in such conditions is because consumers buy them. So if people stopped acting like sheep things would change. Fact. Agree? ← I can see what your saying, but I would say people can't change things while countries such as the US and Russia run roughshod over anything they disagree with! Maybe replace apathy with comfort? I wouldn't change my way of life for someone thousands of miles away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bristolbred Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 It don't matter what the label is - it could be "Man at Matalan" provided that the shirt is BCFC and is of good quality! ← I think that Steve Lansdown bought our Away shirt as a job lot from the T.K.Maxx store whilst on holiday in Scotland!!, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bristolbred Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 QUOTE(bristolbred @ Aug 17 2004, 10:39 AM) Watching the Huddersfield v Hartlepool game on Sky last night, got me thinking as to why a club like Hartlepool have a good quality shirt provider like Nike, and we don't?? Reply from Richard G as to why Hartlepool have Nike shirts and we don't!!. (although i wouldn't agree with the comment on quality!!), Anybody can get a Nike shirt, at a price. Our shirts are made in the UK, exclusively designed for us, at a very competitive price, and are of excellent quality. Having researched many different shirt options I can categorically state that were we to opt for a Nike shirt we would reduce our profit margin by approximately 30%, thereby losing the club money. It is our current assessment that Bristol City fans buy Bristol City shirts, and that the makers brand is of much less importance (even premiership sides such as Southampton have opted for their own brand - "Saints"). Shirt sales have increased significantly with TFG (from 7/8,000 to an anticipated 11/12,000 this year), and this is largely through the quality of manufacture, good design, and consistent supply. It is also worth noting that the brand is not always an indicator of quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Barney Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 It might be the reason that they're near the top of the league and we're near they bottom. Better kit makes you look better, feel better. If you feel better then you play better. Winning brings in the money. So to make a couple of quid in the short term they are missing out in the long term. I think the same applies to boots. You never see any players wearing Adidas 4 stripes do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Man In Black Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 It might be the reason that they're near the top of the league and we're near they bottom. Better kit makes you look better, feel better. If you feel better then you play better. Winning brings in the money. So to make a couple of quid in the short term they are missing out in the long term. I think the same applies to boots. You never see any players wearing Adidas 4 stripes do you? ← If that's not fishing for a backlash, I don't know what is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Ian M Posted August 17, 2004 Admin Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 ...... however if we did have nike i would be confident that they would produce something more original more interesting, fashinable and stylish...... .....I'm not getting ripped off with shoddy shirts with old designs its a disgrace in my eyes. ← Tommy, I suggest you really research all the teams that Nike produce shirts for. I think you'll find that they get away with palming EVERY team off with the same basic design with just the colours changing to reflect each club's traditional colours. I'm sure once you witness this for yourself, you will agree that such lack of imagination and effort from the design team at Nike is not something we want to be associated with at this club and is indeed worthy of the tag "disgraceful". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Barney Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 Tommy, I suggest you really research all the teams that Nike produce shirts for. I think you'll find that they get away with palming EVERY team off with the same basic design with just the colours changing to reflect each club's traditional colours. I'm sure once you witness this for yourself, you will agree that such lack of imagination and effort from the design team at Nike is not something we want to be associated with at this club and is indeed worthy of the tag "disgraceful". ← Thats said I bet the TFG kit was designed in 2 mins flat. Just get a red t-shirt put some tipex round the collar and sleeves and sew a badge on. Job done. £40 for that? I can get a couple of pairs of Armani copies for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenun Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 It might be the reason that they're near the top of the league and we're near they bottom. Better kit makes you look better, feel better. If you feel better then you play better. Winning brings in the money. So to make a couple of quid in the short term they are missing out in the long term. I think the same applies to boots. You never see any players wearing Adidas 4 stripes do you? ← Well researched Barney. That must be why York City were relegated to the Conference and Southend United struggled to stay in the league last season, because they felt SOOOOOOOOOO damn good in their Nike kits. SWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest city4ever!! Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 To be honest i have to say we pay £40 quid for nothing to special but i would wear any shirt that was BCFC but i think if it was nike or some other better brand then i think more people would buy one which would increase profits anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Ian M Posted August 17, 2004 Admin Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 To be honest i have to say we pay £40 quid for nothing to special but i would wear any shirt that was BCFC but i think if it was nike or some other better brand then i think more people would buy one which would increase profits anyway. ← Right, based on figures rather than fantasy...... Nike shirts cost BRISTOL CITY 30% more to buy in Nike shirts (I assume) would then still be sold at the £40 the TFG ones sell at. The Club expects to sell 11k-12k of the TFG shirts based on current sales figures. To make the same profit selling Nike shirts we'd have to sell 30% on top of current levels, so 14500-15600 shirts. Would swithcing to Nike GUARANTEE we'd sell 3000 more shirts than our average crowd last season? (and that's just to make up the same amount of profit as we do with TFG) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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