TomThumb84 Posted January 17 Report Share Posted January 17 4 hours ago, James54De said: None of our games have VAR. In fact, the only game we have ever played with VAR was the reverse fixture. Yeah I know, I meant as a spectacle to watch, bearing in mind the opposition play week in week out with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lack of Action Man Posted January 17 Report Share Posted January 17 He is prone to the occasional dither on the ball. Noted x2 in the first half, subsequently was robbed of possession when there were options available. But I have to admit, he’s definitely looking like the kind of midfield sentinel we have lacked for a long time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisJ Posted January 17 Report Share Posted January 17 Offer him a 1 year deal so when we are promoted next year he can then leave because we can’t have him in The prem with VAR!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claverham_Red Posted January 17 Report Share Posted January 17 2 minutes ago, ChrisJ said: Offer him a 1 year deal so when we are promoted next year he can then leave because we can’t have him in The prem with VAR!!! Though...based on recent performances and if (!) he stays fit, he is worthy of at least a 2 year deal at a minimum Championship level club. Maybe back at Bolton (if they go up) or a Millwall/Preston/Blackburn type club. City run the risk of losing Williams IMO if we only offer a 1 year deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedEyez Posted January 17 Report Share Posted January 17 3 minutes ago, Claverham_Red said: Though...based on recent performances and if (!) he stays fit, he is worthy of at least a 2 year deal at a minimum Championship level club. Maybe back at Bolton (if they go up) or a Millwall/Preston/Blackburn type club. City run the risk of losing Williams IMO if we only offer a 1 year deal. Whoosh! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisJ Posted January 17 Report Share Posted January 17 8 minutes ago, Claverham_Red said: Though...based on recent performances and if (!) he stays fit, he is worthy of at least a 2 year deal at a minimum Championship level club. Maybe back at Bolton (if they go up) or a Millwall/Preston/Blackburn type club. City run the risk of losing Williams IMO if we only offer a 1 year deal. I as joking I was saying that if we went up he would get sent off every week cos of var 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted January 17 Report Share Posted January 17 I do believe that after many years we’ve found our new Gerry Gow !!! Starting to remind me so much of our legendary scrapper !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shauntaylor85 Posted January 17 Report Share Posted January 17 (edited) I wonder if both he and TGH will get a retro ban. Prob not Williams as the ref saw it but TGH was ridiculous, I would discipline for that internally, he could have cost us the game. You have to keep your cool. Edited January 17 by Shauntaylor85 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted January 17 Report Share Posted January 17 37 minutes ago, ChrisJ said: I as joking I was saying that if we went up he would get sent off every week cos of var I get that he was lucky last night as that may well have been a red on review, but it’s not like he puts tackles that naughty in every week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted January 17 Report Share Posted January 17 1 minute ago, Shauntaylor85 said: I wonder if both he and TGH will get a retro ban. Prob not Williams as the ref saw it but TGH was ridiculous, I would discipline for that internally, he could have cost us the game. You have to keep your cool. No chance Williams will get a retrospective ban, it wasn’t THAT bad. TGH maybe though, only realised how bad it was when I watched the highlights back, silly really but luckily we got away with a couple tonight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slack Bladder Posted January 17 Report Share Posted January 17 For a player who seems to be held together by sellotape and porridge, I thought he got stuck in tonight. Fair play to the lad 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted January 17 Report Share Posted January 17 7 minutes ago, MarcusX said: No chance Williams will get a retrospective ban, it wasn’t THAT bad. TGH maybe though, only realised how bad it was when I watched the highlights back, silly really but luckily we got away with a couple tonight Williams was booked wasn't he so they can't do anything about that now can they? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broodje Posted January 17 Report Share Posted January 17 20 minutes ago, Slack Bladder said: For a player who seems to be held together by sellotape and porridge, I thought he got stuck in tonight. Fair play to the lad Seems like the porridge has now begun to dry out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firstdivision Posted January 17 Report Share Posted January 17 Joe needs to be careful. There’s a fragile fine line these days between a good tackle and an aggressive one. Some refs will have seen that last night and have it their minds in future. As I’ve said before, there’s a difference between what we want the laws to be and what they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted January 17 Report Share Posted January 17 Joe “Crash Bang” Williams. And we also have Taylor Gardner-Hitman. The key to the dark art is to carry it out without being detected or blamed as the instigator. Seems like they’re learning fast. The Watford players are probably already enquiring about gum-shields and any other available protective measures. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphindevon Posted January 17 Report Share Posted January 17 I think we can finally put to bed the myth that some were peddling until a few weeks ago that he’ll never be able to play Saturday/midweek/Saturday. He’s been on fire this last month. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry R Posted January 17 Report Share Posted January 17 People still talking about him like he's always injured. He's played 55 games since the start of last season. He had one terrible year of injuries, but the rest of his career has been pretty normal. He's putting in Marvin Elliott-like performances and has been one of our best players this season. Really hope we sign him up to a new deal. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted January 17 Report Share Posted January 17 35 minutes ago, MarcusX said: No chance Williams will get a retrospective ban, it wasn’t THAT bad. No it wasn’t. We have to remember this was a PL side who - as with them all - go down at the merest touch and always try to make any contact look as bad as possible. I coughed in the first half and Ings fell over. The ref seemed to tire of their Tom Daley antics in the second half, having given them umpteen soft free kicks in tbe first. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shauntaylor85 Posted January 17 Report Share Posted January 17 44 minutes ago, MarcusX said: No chance Williams will get a retrospective ban, it wasn’t THAT bad. TGH maybe though, only realised how bad it was when I watched the highlights back, silly really but luckily we got away with a couple tonight I saw it at the time and was relieved the ref or linesman missed it. Defo red card, silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuber Posted January 17 Report Share Posted January 17 10 hours ago, Ron W said: Always used to think teams who went up from this league had a horrible CDM. A Shaun Derry type. Not saying we’re going to win the league, but we’ve got that position filled at least. Finally got his legs back and he’s the player we thought we were buying. This is they key thing for me. Before tonight I thought his legs were gone, but in the last few weeks he's found that missing yard of pace - turns out it may have been match sharpness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted January 17 Report Share Posted January 17 1 minute ago, Shauntaylor85 said: I saw it at the time and was relieved the ref or linesman missed it. Defo red card, silly. I think both are reds in the modern game sadly, but Williams one wasn’t properly violent or intentional that anyone would get involved with a retrospective ban Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted January 17 Report Share Posted January 17 Couldn’t see it earlier in the thread, this is the incident: For me, that’s a VAR red but not a red if you get my drift. He gets the ball and the ball influences his follow through onto Ings. Slowed down, it looks worse - but I think it’s one that isn’t given as a foul without VAR (as it correctly wasn’t). Id say we got away with one but more about the moronic way VAR is utilised as opposed to getting away with a bad challenge. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted January 17 Report Share Posted January 17 2 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said: Couldn’t see it earlier in the thread, this is the incident: For me, that’s a VAR red but not a red if you get my drift. He gets the ball and the ball influences his follow through onto Ings. Slowed down, it looks worse - but I think it’s one that isn’t given as a foul without VAR (as it correctly wasn’t). Id say we got away with one but more about the moronic way VAR is utilised as opposed to getting away with a bad challenge. With VAR it's an easy red but i actually thought yellow was right he went for the ball and won the ball just unfortunate with the follow through. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 17 Report Share Posted January 17 55 minutes ago, MarcusX said: No chance Williams will get a retrospective ban, it wasn’t THAT bad. TGH maybe though, only realised how bad it was when I watched the highlights back, silly really but luckily we got away with a couple tonight He’s banned for next Friday anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted January 17 Report Share Posted January 17 11 hours ago, Ivorguy said: Long long time since we have had a player like Williams I loved it Changed your tune from the Millwall game then, where you wanted him fined and dropped for his behaviour? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted January 17 Report Share Posted January 17 57 minutes ago, Baldyman said: I do believe that after many years we’ve found our new Gerry Gow !!! Starting to remind me so much of our legendary scrapper !! And also showing us why we recruited him from Wigan to dominate the defensive and ball winning midfield. Any player in that position is prone to red/yellow cards as a split second mistiming can often happen. From Ginger Peacock, Gerry Gow, Tommy Doherty we need a like midfielder to go places we haven't been for a very long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The turtle Posted January 17 Report Share Posted January 17 10 hours ago, old_eastender said: He could easily have collected a yellow for the challenge on Ings in the 1st half. Great to see the crunching tackles, but he needs to keep them clean. Thought Matty James played well too, calm and assured. A yellow? He's lucky it wasn't a red (it reminded me of wolves 2017 red card) You just can't follow through studs up like that any more. He may take the ball first but it was so reckless. He's lucky the referee appears to have missed it, and there was no VAR. In a VAR world that's a red 9.5/10. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted January 17 Report Share Posted January 17 10 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said: Couldn’t see it earlier in the thread, this is the incident: For me, that’s a VAR red but not a red if you get my drift. He gets the ball and the ball influences his follow through onto Ings. Slowed down, it looks worse - but I think it’s one that isn’t given as a foul without VAR (as it correctly wasn’t). Id say we got away with one but more about the moronic way VAR is utilised as opposed to getting away with a bad challenge. I agree. For me it’s not a red. I actually even think it may not be a red with VAR. Usually to satisfy a red there are a few things that need to happen A) Is the player out of control B) Are there 2 feet off the ground C) Are the studs up D) Is it a straight leg E) Is it over the top of the ball None of those definitions are met with Williams’ tackle. Its 1-footed, when contact is made with the ball he doesn’t have a straight leg, his studs aren’t showing and it’s not high He contacts the ball low, it’s just the angle his foot comes off of the ball which takes his foot higher and into Ings but the velocity of the tackle has already been taken out of the challenge as the ball was contacted first and took all of the ‘power’ out of the tackle. That wouldn’t have hurt the opponent. They compared it to Gusto’s challenge for Chelsea on the post-match analysis. For reference, Gusto’s was a yellow. Gusto has a straight leg, studs up and makes no contact with the ball. Williams’ tackle was a hard but fair one. And I don’t think VAR sends him off as it hasn’t met any 1 of the 5 thresholds above. Both pics below are the point of contact …… 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The turtle Posted January 17 Report Share Posted January 17 17 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said: Couldn’t see it earlier in the thread, this is the incident: For me, that’s a VAR red but not a red if you get my drift. He gets the ball and the ball influences his follow through onto Ings. Slowed down, it looks worse - but I think it’s one that isn’t given as a foul without VAR (as it correctly wasn’t). Id say we got away with one but more about the moronic way VAR is utilised as opposed to getting away with a bad challenge. The ball influences because he catches the top of the ball. It's a very very poor challenge in the modern game. It should have been a red in game. We are fortunate the ref missed it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 17 Report Share Posted January 17 7 minutes ago, Harry said: I agree. For me it’s not a red. I actually even think it may not be a red with VAR. Usually to satisfy a red there are a few things that need to happen A) Is the player out of control B) Are there 2 feet off the ground C) Are the studs up D) Is it a straight leg E) Is it over the top of the ball None of those definitions are met with Williams’ tackle. Its 1-footed, when contact is made with the ball he doesn’t have a straight leg, his studs aren’t showing and it’s not high He contacts the ball low, it’s just the angle his foot comes off of the ball which takes his foot higher and into Ings but the velocity of the tackle has already been taken out of the challenge as the ball was contacted first and took all of the ‘power’ out of the tackle. That wouldn’t have hurt the opponent. They compared it to Gusto’s challenge for Chelsea on the post-match analysis. For reference, Gusto’s was a yellow. Gusto has a straight leg, studs up and makes no contact with the ball. Williams’ tackle was a hard but fair one. And I don’t think VAR sends him off as it hasn’t met any 1 of the 5 thresholds above. Both pics below are the point of contact …… Point of contact is irrelevant. His foot goes over the top. It’s dangerous. It’s a red. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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