Never to the dark side Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 Listening to five live of villa v Man Utd,big screen switched an image of Gareth Southgate and the crowd booed. Is this the same football followers that will be willing on the England team at the Euro's in the summer managed by southgate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC1512 Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 He left them for Middlesbrough they’ve never got over it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!james Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 Yep, he put in a transfer request when he was club captain and said he wanted to move to a bigger and more ambitious team. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoystonFoote'snephew Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 Wonder what Manure fans think about their away shirt looking like a retro Liverpool shirt, particularly the white Standard Chartered one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristolisredd Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 Blokes a muppet the sooner he goes the better 2 1 2 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBFC II Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 20 minutes ago, Bristolisredd said: Blokes a muppet the sooner he goes the better ‘Muppet’ is incredibly harsh. Has he achieved all he should have with the squad we have? Of course not, but then neither has any England manager since Ramsey. In reality, a Euros final, World Cup semi final and Quarter final (with a loss to France hardly a major disappointment) and a 3rd place finish in the Nations League is about as good as we’ve had for many years. Is he the best option out there? No. Is the national team in a better place than it has been at any point this century? Yes. Is he a ‘muppet’ who we should get rid of as soon as possible? Of course not 10 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pip King Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 32 minutes ago, RoystonFoote'snephew said: Wonder what Manure fans think about their away shirt looking like a retro Liverpool shirt, particularly the white Standard Chartered one. Doubt many of them realise or care Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted February 11 Admin Report Share Posted February 11 3 hours ago, Never to the dark side said: Listening to five live of villa v Man Utd,big screen switched an image of Gareth Southgate and the crowd booed. Is this the same football followers that will be willing on the England team at the Euro's in the summer managed by southgate? 3 hours ago, BCFC1512 said: He left them for Middlesbrough they’ve never got over it Villa fans have this theory their players are deliberately overlooked for England and blame Southgate for this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markthehorn Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 1 hour ago, phantom said: Villa fans have this theory their players are deliberately overlooked for England and blame Southgate for this Well Watkins gets in. Who else is there - Konsa? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLionLad Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 4 hours ago, Bristolisredd said: Blokes a muppet the sooner he goes the better What makes you say that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke_bristol Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 A final, a SF, and stitched up at the World Cup vs France, so he’s not exactly been a disaster. Really looking forward to the Euros with him in charge. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grifty Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 28 minutes ago, Markthehorn said: Well Watkins gets in. Who else is there - Konsa? Mings played quite a lot under him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markthehorn Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 Just now, grifty said: Mings played quite a lot under him. Exactly - and some said he wasn’t that good but being left footed help Mings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stortz Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 4 hours ago, JBFC II said: ‘Muppet’ is incredibly harsh. Has he achieved all he should have with the squad we have? Of course not, but then neither has any England manager since Ramsey. In reality, a Euros final, World Cup semi final and Quarter final (with a loss to France hardly a major disappointment) and a 3rd place finish in the Nations League is about as good as we’ve had for many years. Is he the best option out there? No. Is the national team in a better place than it has been at any point this century? Yes. Is he a ‘muppet’ who we should get rid of as soon as possible? Of course not Muppet is indeed harsh, but I think it's reasonable to speculate about what a less conservative manager could do with the talent Southgate's had available. Can't argue with the way he and the team have represented themselves though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBFC II Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 3 minutes ago, Stortz said: Muppet is indeed harsh, but I think it's reasonable to speculate about what a less conservative manager could do with the talent Southgate's had available. Can't argue with the way he and the team have represented themselves though. Oh I agree, there are more accomplished managers out there who may well have done better with the squad available. But then, Capello, Sven and Hodgson were all more accomplished and achieved way less. He’s not perfect, but I’ve not felt so connected with the national side for many years, he’s done a lot of things right. Genuinely looking forward to the Euros, which hasn’t been the case for many major tournaments over the past 20 years, a lot of that is due to what he’s created 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristolisredd Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 31 minutes ago, RedLionLad said: What makes you say that? Goes to Netherlands to see Henderson play … whilst there are multiple games in the premier league with multiple england players playing each game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLionLad Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 3 minutes ago, Bristolisredd said: Goes to Netherlands to see Henderson play … whilst there are multiple games in the premier league with multiple england players playing each game Ah right.....I thought you had a genuine reason 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 14 minutes ago, Stortz said: Muppet is indeed harsh, but I think it's reasonable to speculate about what a less conservative manager could do with the talent Southgate's had available. Can't argue with the way he and the team have represented themselves though. It might be a tad harsh but he will still do a muppety thing by picking Henderson and Phillips for the next England squad 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkev Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 5 hours ago, Bristolisredd said: Blokes a muppet the sooner he goes the better For who ? Not saying your wrong but there has to be a plan in place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015 Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 Went to Amsterdam to watch Henderson last week. Pathetic. Would love a Midfield 3 of Rice, Bellingham and Foden but won't happen with Southgate. He'll pick Phillips/Henderson. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 9 hours ago, RedLionLad said: What makes you say that? He doesn't know. That would take a degree of self awareness and insight. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Cyril Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 11 hours ago, phantom said: Villa fans have this theory their players are deliberately overlooked for England and blame Southgate for this Villa fielded the grand total of 2 English players yesterday including subs. So plenty of options for him to consider.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 19 minutes ago, The Bard said: He doesn't know. That would take a degree of self awareness and insight. Doesn’t know what? GS must be the brightest England manager we’ve seen. He’s a clever guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richwwtk Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 5 minutes ago, Robbored said: Doesn’t know what? GS must be the brightest England manager we’ve seen. He’s a clever guy. Think you might have got the wrong end of the stick there 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red DNA Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 26 minutes ago, Mad Cyril said: Villa fielded the grand total of 2 English players yesterday including subs. So plenty of options for him to consider.... Indeed - @Bristolisredd - that’s one more than just watching Henderson , so maybe he’s atoned for making such a huge mistake…….. It’s all about opinions and something tells me he’s more qualified than you @Bristolisredd - to make those decisions for the team he will be selecting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 30 minutes ago, richwwtk said: Think you might have got the wrong end of the stick there Explain then Rich. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richwwtk Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 6 minutes ago, Robbored said: Explain then Rich. "He doesn't know" was referring to a poster who was asked why he thinks Southgate is a puppet. It was not a reference to Southgate himself 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 1 minute ago, richwwtk said: "He doesn't know" was referring to a poster who was asked why he thinks Southgate is a puppet. It was not a reference to Southgate himself I missed that - my excuse is that it’s early in the morning! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLionLad Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 2 hours ago, Robbored said: I missed that - my excuse is that it’s early in the morning! Yet you still felt qualified to comment 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 17 hours ago, JBFC II said: ‘Muppet’ is incredibly harsh. Has he achieved all he should have with the squad we have? Of course not, but then neither has any England manager since Ramsey. In reality, a Euros final, World Cup semi final and Quarter final (with a loss to France hardly a major disappointment) and a 3rd place finish in the Nations League is about as good as we’ve had for many years. Is he the best option out there? No. Is the national team in a better place than it has been at any point this century? Yes. Is he a ‘muppet’ who we should get rid of as soon as possible? Of course not I'd possibly change should to could. I'm not sure I'd say we had the best team at any of those three tournaments and I certainly don't think our 2018 or 2022 squads were better than the French teams of those tournaments. Losing to Croatia in 2018 was frustrating but I think any manager we had would have struggled against France in the final that year or in the Quarter Final in 2022. 2021 was the most frustrating in that we just didn't attack enough in the second half against Italy but, as you say, Southgate was the first manager since Ramsey to get us in a final in the first place. Southgate is frustrating risk-averse in this approach - and I think this year'll be interesting as it'll be the first tournament he's been charge of where you could make a reasonable case that the two best players there will be England players and that we should be considered favourites. I'm not confident we will win it and, if not, I think that'd be the first time Southgate could reasonably be achieved of under-achieving at a tournament. But - whilst there may well be better options out there - most, if not all, are all untested in international football. There's not a single manager I can think of that I'd confidently predict would get better results than Southgate has. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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