BCFCGav Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 We were in this exact situation just after Christmas, riding high off the back of successive wins against top 6 challengers. Then came Brum and Millwall where we got one point and no goals. Same situation today, and many said beforehand (only partly tongue in cheek) that it would be very us to labour and lose. As of course came to pass. I know we’re not the professional coaches but any ideas what we should be doing differently? Or is it a case of giving LM the windows he needs to build a possession squad given we currently have a squad assembled for transitional play. Which would of course mean another year or more of stagnation, as we’re all too familiar with in the Lansdown reign! 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 Pace aggression and proper wingers pinging it into the box. Just talking about teams getting behind the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Full nelson Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 The top 4 are miles ahead, 5 to 23 can beat each other on any day. 24th is already sorted. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivorguy Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 Don’t ask me, ask those paid to find the answer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 Mate we’re a mid table team with a mid table budget. There’s a reason everyone says “anyone can beat anyone” in the championship - we are like all the other mid table teams, capable of a big result but massively inconsistent. How do we beat these teams? Well there’s the million dollar question….the answer all too often is you get out what you put in…££££££ 9 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W-S-M Seagull Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 I don't think it is just tactically thats the issue, I think it's mentality too. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProfitInMyPocket Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 Don't play one dimensional football which is super predictable and easy to play against. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Out of his pie crust Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 First goal hugely important. We had a couple of half chances missed then, they scored. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP Hampton Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 (edited) Well I think the answer has to be, you do something different. If we can’t go round them, then we have to go direct. Even the occasional ball over the top wouldn’t hurt now and again, when all else is clearly failing. When Sykes came on I expected to see his usual runs down the wing full of pace etc. but it didn’t happen. We possessed the ball too much at the back reverting to the usual “pass it back” style, with no one being brave enough to create something or anything else. I think my criticism of LM would be a seeming lack of adapting to the game that’s evolving in front of him. It feels like Plan A is all there is and if that’s not working then bring on the subs without any change in application. It won’t take long for any team to work out how we play. Edited February 17 by JP Hampton 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC31 Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 (edited) Tbf we have a bang average squad spend some money buy some genuine quality in key areas and you will find we will do much better. We are atrocious right at the top end of the pitch imo we need that creative attacking midfielder and a striker who's on the same page Edited February 17 by BCFC31 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 What is interesting is that it is where we struggled a bit under Pearson earlier in the season too. I think the problem is that teams who set up for us to attack them need creativity to unlock. We don’t have many creative players and the most obvious ones are either injured or returning from injury. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Oil Services Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 1 hour ago, JP Hampton said: Well I think the answer has to be, you do something different. If we can't go round them, then we have to go direct. Even the occasional ball over the top wouldn’t hurt now and again, when all else is clearly failing. When Sykes came on I expected to see his usual runs down the wing full of pace etc. but it didn’t happen. We possessed the ball too much at the back reverting to the usual “pass it back” style, with no one being brave enough to create something or anything else. I think my criticism of LM would be a seeming lack of adapting to the game that’s evolving in front of him. It feels like Plan A is all there is and if that’s not working then bring on the subs without any change in application. It won’t take long for any team to work out how we play. Yes, as first suggested by Michael Rosen, in the late 80s 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP Hampton Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Bristol Oil Services said: Yes, as first suggested by Michael Rosen, in the late 80s Sorry lost on me? Isn’t he a children’s author? Edited February 17 by JP Hampton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Oil Services Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 Just now, JP Hampton said: Sorry lost on me? He said: we can't go over .... we can't go under ... have to go through (it) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 I don’t think it’s a coincidence we do well against teams that want to play open football. We have no idea how to breakdown teams that keep it tight and solid. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 4 minutes ago, formerly known as ivan said: I don’t think it’s a coincidence we do well against teams that want to play open football. We have no idea how to breakdown teams that keep it tight and solid. Isn’t that on the manager then? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 1 minute ago, exAtyeoMax said: Isn’t that on the manager then? Absolutely 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SydneyCity Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 We need to break their concentration by being fast and/or physical. Drawing contact and winding them right up. Semenyo type players - fast and strong Chris Martin type players - ridiculously strong and can get in an opposition’s head. Scott type players - move it fast through the middle, or do something skilful and unpredictable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy082005 Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 2 hours ago, BCFCGav said: We were in this exact situation just after Christmas, riding high off the back of successive wins against top 6 challengers. Then came Brum and Millwall where we got one point and no goals. Same situation today, and many said beforehand (only partly tongue in cheek) that it would be very us to labour and lose. As of course came to pass. I know we’re not the professional coaches but any ideas what we should be doing differently? Or is it a case of giving LM the windows he needs to build a possession squad given we currently have a squad assembled for transitional play. Which would of course mean another year or more of stagnation, as we’re all too familiar with in the Lansdown reign! Get a decent coach 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearded_red Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 On days that’s we’ve played ‘these teams’ and failed to break them down I’d get this thread, we got absolutely beaten fair and square. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 Main thing is move the ball quicker be braver in possession not keep passing backwards like Williams and James did mainly all game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham76 Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Super said: Main thing is move the ball quicker be braver in possession not keep passing backwards like Williams and James did mainly all game. Agree, it’s so frustrating playing right up to the edge of their 18 yard box only to play it back to our CBs, across the pitch and rinse and repeat until we eventually lose the ball Edited February 17 by Graham76 Typo 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 1 minute ago, Graham76 said: Agree, it’s so frustrating playing right up to the edge of their 18 yard box only to play it back to our CBs, across the pitch and rinse and repeat until we eventually lose the ball I don't think James and Williams work against these teams certainly at home anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 15 minutes ago, bearded_red said: On days that’s we’ve played ‘these teams’ and failed to break them down I’d get this thread, we got absolutely beaten fair and square. Also, I understand the frustration of our performances against the more attritional, physical sides (Preston, Millwall, Birmingham), but QPR were nothing of the sort. Answering the question on how we win today & against those sort of teams is two completely different ones. We were flat today, our substitutions were odd & we lacked penetration. The latter point needs addressing in the summer anyway, our top scorer in the league has 6 & we’ve scored 38 in 33 games. As well as our goalkeeper (sorry Max haters, it’s the case) & 2 centre backs play, we don’t score anywhere near enough goals & that’s been the case under Pearson & Manning. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityexile Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 35 minutes ago, formerly known as ivan said: I don’t think it’s a coincidence we do well against teams that want to play open football. We have no idea how to breakdown teams that keep it tight and solid. I get the anyone can beat anyone posts that get made now and again, but this is now a ‘thing’, and it’s not going away. LMs record against the bottom half is now something like W0, D3, L6. That is well beyond the normal swings and roundabouts in the Championship and symptomatic of a real issue. It was not new today, nor was the way they played in any way unexpected. We tried what had failed to work in previous matches and looked bereft of ideas when it failed to work this time. Its been enough matches like this now to, well, try something different! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 23 minutes ago, Andy082005 said: Get a decent coach I was just about to say, get a new manager Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 6 minutes ago, Super said: I don't think James and Williams work against these teams certainly at home anyway. Not on the back of their recent combined workload. Was surprised only two changes today. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Open End Numb Legs Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 If LM is the deep thinker he is reported to be, he will know that the team needs a plan B for when the opposition sit deep and crowd us out in midfield. I think we have seen that he has a plan A that works pretty well for when the opposition push up through our half. For that reason, as frustrating as it is, we need to give him more time including having the opportunity to bring in a couple of extra players who might be more suited to that approach. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 45 minutes ago, exAtyeoMax said: Isn’t that on the manager then? Head coach 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 3 minutes ago, Sir Geoff said: Head coach Who manages the team then? No one because we don’t have a manager 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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