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To be fair to Watford they stuck with him far longer than they have with loads of managers before him & considering they’re a parachute payment club, their results have been crap.

He can hardly complain.

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Tbh a lot of our fans are happy he has gone and some say it’s over due ,

Trouble is we have all this “he had to go” stuff but then appoint someone else who soon turns out to not be much better or  worse !

The owners aren’t popular at all but on this one there probably won’t be many tears shedded.

The fans want attacking , positive football but then the modern game is about possession isn’t it really ?

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Sacking Edwards a mistake...sacking NP a bigger one.

NP plus Parachute Payments would have had a good chance to both take back up and build back stronger.

They've made a few sackings which were too soon or just seemed plain incorrect down the years though.

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10 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Sacking Edwards a mistake...sacking NP a bigger one.

NP plus Parachute Payments would have had a good chance to both take back up and build back stronger.

They've made a few sackings which were too soon or just seemed plain incorrect down the years though.

Good point on NP at Watford forgot about that. What is it they say? Once is a coincidence, twice is a pattern?

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Just now, Fjmcity said:

Good point on NP at Watford forgot about that. What is it they say? Once is a coincidence, twice is a..

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Lot of erratic owners around.

Football wise I think they would have been in safe hands. Parachute Payments, keeping key players and a solid tactical framework.

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7 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Lot of erratic owners around.

Football wise I think they would have been in safe hands. Parachute Payments, keeping key players and a solid tactical framework.

He was actually doing wonders there and he probably would have kept them up, if only he’d kept his mouth shut I guess.

seems to be a bit of the old self sabotage in nige, maybe he doesn’t think he’s good enough. Low self esteem is fixable though 

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3 minutes ago, Fjmcity said:

He was actually doing wonders there and he probably would have kept them up, if only he’d kept his mouth shut I guess.

seems to be a bit of the old self sabotage in nige, maybe he doesn’t think he’s good enough. Low self esteem is fixable though 

Hmm a tough last 2 games, could've gone either way- but he did brilliantly well to pull them back in with a realistic chance.

Man City Home, Arsenal Away..challenging but Arsenal had the Cup final, all behind Closed Doors due to Covid, Man City not winning anything. Maybe they don't lose by 4 v Man City under NP and GD kicks in. That was an Arsenal rebuilding under Arteta too, certainly far from the force of now.

Often think he is quite unlucky in his sackings. Cotts perhaps another.

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Person was definitely sacked for non footballing reasons - he was only co contracted till the end of the season which was a week away.

Very odd but then then what isn’t with us !

Edwards had a row with Pozzo which is he went early - obviously he had the last laugh .

Tbh a lot of our fans are happy he has gone and some say it’s over due ,

Trouble is we have all this “he had to go” stuff but then appoint someone else who soon turns out to not be much better or  worse !

The owners aren’t popular at all but on this one there probably won’t be many tears shedded as has been the case for a lot of the sackings really.

Like I say its not so much the change of manager but who gets appointment next that seems to be the issue .

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Barnsley aside, Ismael and his sides seem to run out of steam.

At West Brom they were up there with Fulham and Bournemouth mid October, lot of points. Even moving towards November, December moving towards top 6.

Seemed to collapse thereafter, our by early to mid February iirc.

Watford I thought he was getting it together after a poor start, then Watford from the outside morphed into an erratic unpredictable midtable side..then form seems to have nosedived.

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Just now, Shauntaylor85 said:

I’d have him over Manning. His Barnsley side was outstanding, plus had good experience as a player, winning major honours at clubs like Bayern. 

Seemed to play very different football here to with them .

Much more about keeping the ball and passing it around the back.

Maybe that was the problem?

Squad didn’t adapt to him or he didn’t to our players abilities .

 

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1 minute ago, Markthehorn said:

Seemed to play very different football here to with them .

Much more about keeping the ball and passing it around the back.

Maybe that was the problem?

Squad didn’t adapt to him or he didn’t to our players abilities .

 

Sounds very similar to our experience with Manning tbh!

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26 minutes ago, Dr Balls said:

Sounds very similar to our experience with Manning tbh!

Mind you some managers we have lost or got rid of have done well elsewhere.

Dyche 

Edwards

Silva (eventually)

Jokanavic (at Fulham anyway )

Even Hodgson did well at Palace  for a bit.

Somewhere someone has got to get a chance but both owners and now fans want change at the first sign of trouble.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Markthehorn said:

Seemed to play very different football here to with them .

Much more about keeping the ball and passing it around the back.

Maybe that was the problem?

Squad didn’t adapt to him or he didn’t to our players abilities .

 

As you’ll know to play Ismael-ball you need to have players ready to run through brick walls for you and each other.  Barnsley did because I think they sensed they were “lesser” players who could achieve on that way of playing.  However at West Brom, some players - the technicians - started to rebel, and down the slippery slope they went.

Watford are hardly blessed with players if the character to play that way either, so he’s had to adapt.

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2 hours ago, Fjmcity said:

He was actually doing wonders there and he probably would have kept them up, if only he’d kept his mouth shut I guess.

seems to be a bit of the old self sabotage in nige, maybe he doesn’t think he’s good enough. Low self esteem is fixable though 

Up there with one of the worst posts I’ve seen in a while. What nonsense. 

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9 hours ago, Markthehorn said:

Mind you some managers we have lost or got rid of have done well elsewhere.

Dyche 

Edwards

Silva (eventually)

Jokanavic (at Fulham anyway )

Even Hodgson did well at Palace  for a bit.

Somewhere someone has got to get a chance but both owners and now fans want change at the first sign of trouble.

 

 

To be fair, just by the law of averages there must be lots of ex Watford managers out there doing well, as well as lots doing badly, lots doing just OK, and lots not working.  Ismael was their 11th manager since Jan 2018, and that's not counting caretakers  😱

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