headhunter Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 Join us live on You Tube & X @ 6.00 PM as we discuss a game that, until Rob Dickie's well taken winner, was memorable for the most poorly executed corner routine I've seen in 50 years and a delinquent sprinkler which delayed the start of the 2nd half. City DID improve in the 2nd half and deserved the points but with young coaching aficionados Luke Williams & Liam Manning in the technical areas it was not pretty to watch. Swansea seemed to stick with their processes and contain their emotions even after going behind by showing no desire to chase for an equalizer. The published crowd was just short of 21k but I reckon the in person count was barely 16k - this does not auger well for the upcoming season ticket renewal period 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 Spoiler Angry midget shouts mad shit. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 13 minutes ago, Barrs Court Red said: Spoiler Angry midget shouts mad shit. Ian Gay tonight: Who’s on anyway @headhunter? Ian on or is he busy with a prior engagement in Brian’s rectum? 1 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashton_fan Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 The low turnout today was mainly due to ST holders staying home for mother's day, should be back to normal by next game 6 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 2 minutes ago, ashton_fan said: The low turnout today was mainly due to ST holders staying home for mother's day, should be back to normal by next game Yes , course it was Taken from #GasLogic 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenred Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 2 minutes ago, ashton_fan said: The low turnout today was mainly due to ST holders staying home for mother's day, should be back to normal by next game Weird how every other sporting event today hasn’t been affected Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 4 minutes ago, ashton_fan said: The low turnout today was mainly due to ST holders staying home for mother's day, should be back to normal by next game Hilarious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BasSavage88 Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 5 minutes ago, ashton_fan said: The low turnout today was mainly due to ST holders staying home for mother's day, should be back to normal by next game S27 love their mums more than city 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 4 minutes ago, BasSavage88 said: S27 love their mums more than city Another cracking post. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Exile Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 (edited) 41 minutes ago, headhunter said: Swansea seemed to stick with their processes and contain their emotions even after going behind by showing no desire to chase for an equalizer. ...take a bow! Sums up this new passionless approach perfectly! Edited March 10 by Red Exile 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The turtle Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 Anyone who watches today will see lot of "what on earth are you talking about looks"... At times it was impossible not to laugh. .... And yes i also enjoyed it, I'm glad i have made it part of my city weekends 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter Posted March 10 Author Share Posted March 10 1 hour ago, The turtle said: Anyone who watches today will see lot of "what on earth are you talking about looks"... At times it was impossible not to laugh. .... And yes i also enjoyed it, I'm glad i have made it part of my city weekends There was a lot of agreement and reasoned debate where there was conflict 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 25 minutes ago, headhunter said: There was a lot of agreement and reasoned debate where there was conflict Can you confirm how many people have asked to come on the pod since you came on here and said anyone is welcome? A rough estimate is fine as I'm sure it's loads given the number that come on here and say how taking apart Ian's arguments would be as easy as kicking snow off a piece of rope. Like I say, I'm sure it's too many to count, but a rough estimate would be interesting. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziderarmy Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 18 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: Can you confirm how many people have asked to come on the pod since you came on here and said anyone is welcome? A rough estimate is fine as I'm sure it's loads given the number that come on here and say how taking apart Ian's arguments would be as easy as kicking snow off a piece of rope. Like I say, I'm sure it's too many to count, but a rough estimate would be interesting. 12,768 is my guess. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 4 hours ago, ashton_fan said: The low turnout today was mainly due to ST holders staying home for mother's day, should be back to normal by next game Thank you for quoting the “official” line from Bristol Sport. This will bring great relief and reassurance to anyone who thought otherwise. i am certain there is indisputable, hard evidence to back this up. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curr Avon Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 5 minutes ago, Bazooka Joe said: Thank you for quoting the “official” line from Bristol Sport. This will bring great relief and reassurance to anyone who thought otherwise. i am certain there is indisputable, hard evidence to back this up. Yes 10000 notes from Mum! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashton_fan Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 9 minutes ago, Bazooka Joe said: Thank you for quoting the “official” line from Bristol Sport. This will bring great relief and reassurance to anyone who thought otherwise. i am certain there is indisputable, hard evidence to back this up. The indisputable evidence was that it IS Mother's Day today and the match took place at lunchtime when most families are out together, but I should have known that only negative comments are allowed on the forum these days! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 46 minutes ago, ashton_fan said: The indisputable evidence was that it IS Mother's Day today and the match took place at lunchtime when most families are out together, but I should have known that only negative comments are allowed on the forum these days! Really? So, where have you seen or been told that? Stop being so negative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handsofclay Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 1 hour ago, ashton_fan said: The indisputable evidence was that it IS Mother's Day today and the match took place at lunchtime when most families are out together, but I should have known that only negative comments are allowed on the forum these days! Obviously Bristolians must love their mothers much more than Brummies. The Aston Villa v Spurs match kicked off just 30 minutes later and from pictorial evidence the stadium looked fairly packed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Balls Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 5 minutes ago, handsofclay said: Obviously Bristolians must love their mothers much more than Brummies. The Aston Villa v Spurs match kicked off just 30 minutes later and from pictorial evidence the stadium looked fairly packed. Well it did until McGinn was sent off and Villa were 3-0 down! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Balls Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 1 hour ago, ashton_fan said: The indisputable evidence was that it IS Mother's Day today and the match took place at lunchtime when most families are out together, but I should have known that only negative comments are allowed on the forum these days! There will be a bigger crowd against Leicester because it’s Good Friday, they will bring a load and people will come out to see us play Leicester. However the last 3 home games are Blackburn midweek, Huddersfield and Rotherham. Play like we did for the first 65 minutes today, plus more bad results in between and I wouldn’t blame anyone for saying that they might have something more exciting to do instead of going to Ashton Gate! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Amazed that anyone would take playing like we did today just to get 16 home wins. More to life than watching god awful football 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonGreat Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 3 wins from 13 - or 6 from 16 if you start that statistic three games earlier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 8 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: Amazed that anyone would take playing like we did today just to get 16 home wins. More to life than watching god awful football Can I guess who we are talking about? And therefore I’m guessing we need to get to 16 wins on the Gay-ometer, because he said that Nige getting 15 wins last season was crap / sackable because he got 15 wins the season before….completing ignoring that we lost less and drew more, ie we improved overall (55 pts to 59 pts). So 16 wins but less than 59 points is better? Hmmmmm!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 7 hours ago, Davefevs said: Can I guess who we are talking about? And therefore I’m guessing we need to get to 16 wins on the Gay-ometer, because he said that Nige getting 15 wins last season was crap / sackable because he got 15 wins the season before….completing ignoring that we lost less and drew more, ie we improved overall (55 pts to 59 pts). So 16 wins but less than 59 points is better? Hmmmmm!!! The question was based on 'home wins'...ie would we accept watching 'rubbish football' for 16 home victories. Only Burnley and Sheffield United achieved that last season btw. Unfortunately, the reality is if you play rubbish football, you don't win many games full stop. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 A good open discussion as usual. I didn’t see or listen to the game so can’t comment on that. Don’t really know what to add…the whole bloody club is a mess Up the City! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter Posted March 11 Author Share Posted March 11 10 hours ago, Davefevs said: Can I guess who we are talking about? And therefore I’m guessing we need to get to 16 wins on the Gay-ometer, because he said that Nige getting 15 wins last season was crap / sackable because he got 15 wins the season before….completing ignoring that we lost less and drew more, ie we improved overall (55 pts to 59 pts). So 16 wins but less than 59 points is better? Hmmmmm!!! Yes, Ian posed the question but I don't think it was made with a "Pearson bashing" intent. I took it that it was against a background of not achieving a double digit number of home wins for several seasons and would we accept seeing boring but winning football that produced a play off securing position? I cited the example of the Danny Wilson era [year on year improvement each season he was here] when in 02/03 Wigan secured the League 1 title with a dour, defensive style and many narrow 1-0 victories. Wilson had always played an expansive style and I seem to recall reading that he changed approach to be more defensive in 03/04 which saw us reach, but fail, in the play off final. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 10 hours ago, And Its Smith said: Amazed that anyone would take playing like we did today just to get 16 home wins. More to life than watching god awful football First time I've ever been shouting at the phone e in favour of IG. Just answer the question Neil !!!!! It's a hypothetical would you happy watching 16 games of dull turgid football and accept a 1-0 win each time. No context needed. I'm with Ian, no I wouldn't watch it . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firstdivision Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 10 hours ago, Davefevs said: Can I guess who we are talking about? And therefore I’m guessing we need to get to 16 wins on the Gay-ometer, because he said that Nige getting 15 wins last season was crap / sackable because he got 15 wins the season before….completing ignoring that we lost less and drew more, ie we improved overall (55 pts to 59 pts). So 16 wins but less than 59 points is better? Hmmmmm!!! No. It had nothing to do with that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 27 minutes ago, Sir Geoff said: First time I've ever been shouting at the phone e in favour of IG. Just answer the question Neil !!!!! It's a hypothetical would you happy watching 16 games of dull turgid football and accept a 1-0 win each time. No context needed. I'm with Ian, no I wouldn't watch it . Same here! Too much overthinking. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firstdivision Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 18 hours ago, Silvio Dante said: Ian Gay tonight: Who’s on anyway @headhunter? Ian on or is he busy with a prior engagement in Brian’s rectum? Why are abusive about someone's opinions on a podcast you don't have to listen to/can simply ignore. You have enough opinions - why don't you create your own podcast if you don't like what you hear from Ian G? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 38 minutes ago, Sir Geoff said: First time I've ever been shouting at the phone e in favour of IG. Just answer the question Neil !!!!! It's a hypothetical would you happy watching 16 games of dull turgid football and accept a 1-0 win each time. No context needed. I'm with Ian, no I wouldn't watch it . It was a strange question and @NcnsBcfcand @TomSutton Appeared rightly perplexed by the q and both gave the right answer You simply won’t win ‘15 home games’ playing and performing like that 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter Posted March 11 Author Share Posted March 11 22 minutes ago, Sheltons Army said: It was a strange question and @NcnsBcfcand @TomSutton Appeared rightly perplexed by the q and both gave the right answer You simply won’t win ‘15 home games’ playing and performing like that That was an awful performance yesterday but I wonder how far down the spectrum compared with the undeserved 1-0 win over Coventry back in the Autumn. We'll remember the good games like Southampton this season and WBA a few years back when we were 3-0 up in half an hour [won 3-2] but the scrappy 1-0s don't stay long in the memory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 28 minutes ago, firstdivision said: Why are abusive about someone's opinions on a podcast you don't have to listen to/can simply ignore. You have enough opinions - why don't you create your own podcast if you don't like what you hear from Ian G? Or message Dave and ask to go on the podcast.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curr Avon Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 32 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: Or message Dave and ask to go on the podcast.... Thanks Kid, and the invitation is open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 44 minutes ago, headhunter said: That was an awful performance yesterday but I wonder how far down the spectrum compared with the undeserved 1-0 win over Coventry back in the Autumn. We'll remember the good games like Southampton this season and WBA a few years back when we were 3-0 up in half an hour [won 3-2] but the scrappy 1-0s don't stay long in the memory. Whatever was and wasn't the worst game this season the title you put on this thread for yesterday's undoubtedly nailed it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherrich Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 14 hours ago, ashton_fan said: The indisputable evidence was that it IS Mother's Day today and the match took place at lunchtime when most families are out together, but I should have known that only negative comments are allowed on the forum these days! OK Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 (edited) 50 minutes ago, headhunter said: That was an awful performance yesterday but I wonder how far down the spectrum compared with the undeserved 1-0 win over Coventry back in the Autumn. We'll remember the good games like Southampton this season and WBA a few years back when we were 3-0 up in half an hour [won 3-2] but the scrappy 1-0s don't stay long in the memory. Wouldn’t that theory pre suppose Swansea are as good as Coventry? Which they clearly are not. Had a look at our subs bench for that one, Knight, who wasn’t well enough to start, Idehen, Joseph James, Nelson, Yeboah, Knight-Lebel, plus Bajic. Basically we had Cornick & a not 100% Knight to bring on, so quite incredible we beat a side who made the playoff final at all with what was available to us. Edited March 11 by GrahamC 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galley is our king Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 2 minutes ago, GrahamC said: Wouldn’t that theory pre suppose Swansea are as good as Coventry? Which they clearly are not. Had a look at our subs bench for that one, Knight, who wasn’t well enough to start, Idehen, Joseph James, Nelson, Yeboah, Knight-Lebel, plus Bajic. Basically we had Cornick & a not 100% Knight to bring on, so quite incredible we beat a side who made the playoff final at all with what was available to us. Silly, you can't let facts get in the way of bashing Pearson!! They know best and facts or context have **** all to do with it..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NcnsBcfc Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 2 hours ago, Sir Geoff said: First time I've ever been shouting at the phone e in favour of IG. Just answer the question Neil !!!!! It's a hypothetical would you happy watching 16 games of dull turgid football and accept a 1-0 win each time. No context needed. I'm with Ian, no I wouldn't watch it . @Sir Geoff The issue for me answering that question is that it was so badly phrased on Ian's part. Would I beat happy to win 16 games at home per season, whilst playing dire football? So would I be happy in essence to get promotion playing dire football? The dire football yesterday was so awful that it would be a really hard sell to come and watch it, but do I want promotion? Ian once again tried to defend LM. But I bought up all of his postings during the game where he commented how bad it was, and what he would do to change it. In true Ian fashion, following the podcast he went back to his postings and deleted a number of those posts to show his feelings in a more positive light post result. It's his way of appearing to be in the right all the time. 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curr Avon Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 9 minutes ago, NcnsBcfc said: @Sir Geoff The issue for me answering that question is that it was so badly phrased on Ian's part. Would I beat happy to win 16 games at home per season, whilst playing dire football? So would I be happy in essence to get promotion playing dire football? The dire football yesterday was so awful that it would be a really hard sell to come and watch it, but do I want promotion? Ian once again tried to defend LM. But I bought up all of his postings during the game where he commented how bad it was, and what he would do to change it. In true Ian fashion, following the podcast he went back to his postings and deleted a number of those posts to show his feelings in a more positive light post result. It's his way of appearing to be in the right all the time. Agreed, there was no context. You can produce winning football without being 'entertaining', Wimbledon did so to good effect in the 80's and 90's. However, even the Crazy Gang had a style of play that produced pressure and goalscoring chances throughout 90 minutes. We didn't have either yesterday. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NcnsBcfc Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 24 minutes ago, Curr Avon said: Agreed, there was no context. You can produce winning football without being 'entertaining', Wimbledon did so to good effect in the 80's and 90's. However, even the Crazy Gang had a style of play that produced pressure and goalscoring chances throughout 90 minutes. We didn't have either yesterday. @Curr Avon Mark, I got @headhunter to read out some of Ian's tweets during the game so there will be a record of them (in retrospect I should have screen shoted). @TomSutton and I aren't on the podcast this Sat. But Ian has to be challenged on going back and deleting his less than favourable postings of the game and Manning he made during it, in favour of more positive ones this morning on Twitter. It's like somebody has had a word with him? I'm relying on you... 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 2 hours ago, headhunter said: That was an awful performance yesterday but I wonder how far down the spectrum compared with the undeserved 1-0 win over Coventry back in the Autumn. We'll remember the good games like Southampton this season and WBA a few years back when we were 3-0 up in half an hour [won 3-2] but the scrappy 1-0s don't stay long in the memory. Imho, nowhere near as bad. First 30-35 mins we were very poor, but we dug in (didn’t just sit off like yesterday), scored and second half was a pretty even affair. Vyner injured, necessitating King to play CB and Pring LCB3, changed shape to 442 when Roberts was subbed-off on 39 mins. Etc, etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 (edited) 1 hour ago, NcnsBcfc said: Ian once again tried to defend LM. But I bought up all of his postings during the game where he commented how bad it was, and what he would do to change it. In true Ian fashion, following the podcast he went back to his postings and deleted a number of those posts to show his feelings in a more positive light post result. It's his way of appearing to be in the right all the time. Oh my Hilarious , and sums him up perfectly Edited March 11 by Sheltons Army Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Oil Services Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 21 hours ago, Silvio Dante said: Ian Gay tonight: Who’s on anyway @headhunter? Ian on or is he busy with a prior engagement in Brian’s rectum? You got the one where he does Everton fans in shell suits? Same sort of thing really Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 On 10/03/2024 at 16:58, Silvio Dante said: Ian Gay tonight: Who’s on anyway @headhunter? Ian on or is he busy with a prior engagement in Brian’s rectum? I have a feeling that @jayjay is Ian Gays wife Sylv Stalks any posts about IG A silent troll 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcofisher Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 On 11/03/2024 at 00:05, And Its Smith said: Amazed that anyone would take playing like we did today just to get 16 home wins. More to life than watching god awful football This debate was completely lacking in substance. If we play like we did today we will NEVER get 16 wins home and away. Listen to the pod every game but this was utter tosh to listen to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 19 hours ago, NcnsBcfc said: @Sir Geoff The issue for me answering that question is that it was so badly phrased on Ian's part. Would I beat happy to win 16 games at home per season, whilst playing dire football? So would I be happy in essence to get promotion playing dire football? The dire football yesterday was so awful that it would be a really hard sell to come and watch it, but do I want promotion? Ian once again tried to defend LM. But I bought up all of his postings during the game where he commented how bad it was, and what he would do to change it. In true Ian fashion, following the podcast he went back to his postings and deleted a number of those posts to show his feelings in a more positive light post result. It's his way of appearing to be in the right all the time. It was an absolute nonsense question. I think @TomSutton touched on it. It would be almost impossible to have champions level home form playing that badly. He also didn’t mention the away form. If you play that badly away, you’re more likely to lose more. It also ridiculous to think playing that badly was some sort of clever game plan we executed perfectly to grind out a result. Whatever the game plan was, we failed, we were awful, we were lucky to win. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The turtle Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 3 minutes ago, Henry said: It was an absolute nonsense question. I think @TomSutton touched on it. It would be almost impossible to have champions level home form playing that badly. He also didn’t mention the away form. If you play that badly away, you’re more likely to lose more. It also ridiculous to think playing that badly was some sort of clever game plan we executed perfectly to grind out a result. Whatever the game plan was, we failed, we were awful, we were lucky to win. It's not so much that the game plan was to play badly But it absolutely was to contain. Regardless of performance level, if your game plan at home to swansea is to do that, well v this Swansea trying to be the most boring game was the best we could hope for They were going to score, or 00 at HT. Playing badly no, but contain was absolutely the plan ... I genuinely think at HT , LM was of the opinion job done, they'll run out of ideas. However , it was awful to watch, and worked because swansea had no end product, that's it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Davefevs Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 21 minutes ago, marcofisher said: This debate was completely lacking in substance. If we play like we did today we will NEVER get 16 wins home and away. Listen to the pod every game but this was utter tosh to listen to. I sense it was Ian trying to divert the conversation away from meaningful debate about the level of performance. Had he even added something around away games, e.g and 8 away wins the same, then it has better context. FWIW I’ve never worried where we picked up wins and draws, home or away. +++++ And Tinnion admitted that he was involved, so Ian’s assertions last week, that I challenged him back on directly, that it was “all JL and GM”, weren’t true. Quelle Surprisé 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 15 minutes ago, Henry said: It was an absolute nonsense question. I think @TomSutton touched on it. It would be almost impossible to have champions level home form playing that badly. He also didn’t mention the away form. If you play that badly away, you’re more likely to lose more. It also ridiculous to think playing that badly was some sort of clever game plan we executed perfectly to grind out a result. Whatever the game plan was, we failed, we were awful, we were lucky to win. The only reason I would disagree with that is because the mob we were playing were bloody awful too. Both sides deserved to lose, good for us we showed that one bit of quality in the game and didn't. What that game proved is that had we chosen Luke WIlliams instead of Liam Manning we would be having exactly the same conversations!! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter Posted March 12 Author Share Posted March 12 As the host of the pod I'd just like to interject by making reference to the phrase "playing like that" in the context of 16 wins by that scoreline. We would NOT win 16 games, home or away, "playing like that". My interpretation of what Ian said, rightly or wrongly, was winning 16 scrappy games 1-0 isn't pretty to watch but might be effective. What made it worse on Saturday is that the Swans were passive themselves and far from the game being played with the passion of a local derby it was akin to a poor pre-season friendly. Would fans have been happy if we battered them, hitting the post/bar, drawing several good saves from the keeper as they sat in only to lose 0-1 to a breakaway goal. That would have drawn the phrase from many "we'll win more than we lose playing like that". In 6 months time no-one will remember the detail of Sunday's game nor how we were battered by Coventry in October but stole [?] a 1-0 win. What I do remember is 6 years ago being 3-0 up at half time against Sunderland but drawing 3-3, a further nail in that coffin of collapse in the 2nd half of 2017/18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 (edited) 7 minutes ago, headhunter said: As the host of the pod I'd just like to interject by making reference to the phrase "playing like that" in the context of 16 wins by that scoreline. We would NOT win 16 games, home or away, "playing like that". My interpretation of what Ian said, rightly or wrongly, was winning 16 scrappy games 1-0 isn't pretty to watch but might be effective. What made it worse on Saturday is that the Swans were passive themselves and far from the game being played with the passion of a local derby it was akin to a poor pre-season friendly. Would fans have been happy if we battered them, hitting the post/bar, drawing several good saves from the keeper as they sat in only to lose 0-1 to a breakaway goal. That would have drawn the phrase from many "we'll win more than we lose playing like that". In 6 months time no-one will remember the detail of Sunday's game nor how we were battered by Coventry in October but stole [?] a 1-0 win. What I do remember is 6 years ago being 3-0 up at half time against Sunderland but drawing 3-3, a further nail in that coffin of collapse in the 2nd half of 2017/18 Not sure of your exact point, Dave, but give me paragraph 3 everytime over what we witnessed Sunday. Davefevs put the Coventry game in to context for you earlier in the thread Edited March 12 by Sir Geoff Mis spelling 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 23 minutes ago, The turtle said: It's not so much that the game plan was to play badly But it absolutely was to contain. Regardless of performance level, if your game plan at home to swansea is to do that, well v this Swansea trying to be the most boring game was the best we could hope for They were going to score, or 00 at HT. Playing badly no, but contain was absolutely the plan ... I genuinely think at HT , LM was of the opinion job done, they'll run out of ideas. However , it was awful to watch, and worked because swansea had no end product, that's it And FWIW, I don’t buy the post-match comments that they set up to block higher in the second half, because for pretty much the first 15 mins they didn’t do anything different to what they did first half. I do think Sykes made a difference (I think he had “beef” with Swansea for last season), but I sensed the Placheta miss created a “eff this for a game of soldiers, we’ve got to play something other than this passive shit, or else it’ll be us (the players) getting the boos, when all we are doing is playing to instruction”. For me it was more the players deciding to take the game by the scruff of the neck. They disrupted Swansea. Pic above - 61 mins Midfield line is safe, JW and TGH marking goal-side, MS (just on) on same line. TC and JK no pressure on keeper (I’m not expecting them to go mad), who is as one footed as Daniel Day-Lewis! We are still containing, just after Placheta’s 58th minute shot. Pic above 71 mins (just before we scored spookily) Look at the difference! I know the ball is now deeper on the pitch, but the intent is different. Midfield line 10-12 yards higher (2 mow widths). TGH now marking in front, therefore keeper can’t go to Allen / Grimes. Nobody worried about the player in between our midfield line and defence. If the keeper drops a ball in there, fair play. JK now looking to press, the Swansea LCB can’t create an angle, so JK knows he can only go one way. A simple change of intent / positioning. Williams had been beckoning TGH to get up with him. What happened next? Keeper kicks long, Mehmeti gets the loose ball, drives at the defence, earns a corner, piff, paff, puff, goal. We squeezed the pitch a bit in our favour. Quelle Surprisé, we started getting loose ball, bits n pieces. We became effective, becayse we win it before Swansea could settle into their structure defence. I think the head-coach is calling out what he witnessed not what he designed / planned. Tin hat on! 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 30 minutes ago, Numero Uno said: The only reason I would disagree with that is because the mob we were playing were bloody awful too. Both sides deserved to lose, good for us we showed that one bit of quality in the game and didn't. What that game proved is that had we chosen Luke WIlliams instead of Liam Manning we would be having exactly the same conversations!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 5 minutes ago, Davefevs said: And FWIW, I don’t buy the post-match comments that they set up to block higher in the second half, because for pretty much the first 15 mins they didn’t do anything different to what they did first half. I do think Sykes made a difference (I think he had “beef” with Swansea for last season), but I sensed the Placheta miss created a “eff this for a game of soldiers, we’ve got to play something other than this passive shit, or else it’ll be us (the players) getting the boos, when all we are doing is playing to instruction”. For me it was more the players deciding to take the game by the scruff of the neck. They disrupted Swansea. Pic above - 61 mins Midfield line is safe, JW and TGH marking goal-side, MS (just on) on same line. TC and JK no pressure on keeper (I’m not expecting them to go mad), who is as one footed as Daniel Day-Lewis! We are still containing, just after Placheta’s 58th minute shot. Pic above 71 mins (just before we scored spookily) Look at the difference! I know the ball is now deeper on the pitch, but the intent is different. Midfield line 10-12 yards higher (2 mow widths). TGH now marking in front, therefore keeper can’t go to Allen / Grimes. Nobody worried about the player in between our midfield line and defence. If the keeper drops a ball in there, fair play. JK now looking to press, the Swansea LCB can’t create an angle, so JK knows he can only go one way. A simple change of intent / positioning. Williams had been beckoning TGH to get up with him. What happened next? Keeper kicks long, Mehmeti gets the loose ball, drives at the defence, earns a corner, piff, paff, puff, goal. We squeezed the pitch a bit in our favour. Quelle Surprisé, we started getting loose ball, bits n pieces. We became effective, becayse we win it before Swansea could settle into their structure defence. I think the head-coach is calling out what he witnessed not what he designed / planned. Tin hat on! Agree and I think some of our players had a bit of eff this, let's up the tempo and do what we're good at for the last 20 mins. Tommy and Jason were getting pelters from the SS for standing off and watching the keeper with the ball at his feet. One time around the 70 mins mark, you could literally see Tommy thinking sod this and from that point he started pressing the keeper and forced him to move the ball quicker. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 It’s clear that the most successful coaches , Gardiola, Klopp, Ferguson , Clough… don’t /didn’t have emotions. Frankly give me Warnock over these identikit AI generated modern coaches. Football isn’t Science homework it’s meant to be about romance, hope , despair, derring do, joy and letting off steam in communion with your mates . Who dares wins Rodney . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 20 minutes ago, Sir Geoff said: Agree and I think some of our players had a bit of eff this, let's up the tempo and do what we're good at for the last 20 mins. Tommy and Jason were getting pelters from the SS for standing off and watching the keeper with the ball at his feet. One time around the 70 mins mark, you could literally see Tommy thinking sod this and from that point he started pressing the keeper and forced him to move the ball quicker. I was loathe to post the above, so thanks for sharing what the SS were doing, and TC’s reaction. I could see his frustrations in the second half that “our” passive block meant he was getting played around. The players were brave, the head-coach not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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