Northern Red Posted April 24 Report Share Posted April 24 33 minutes ago, robinforlife2 said: Liverpool have completely choked in recent weeks. Fell apart in the FA Cup, then the Europa League and now in the Premier League. They've gone from looking strong treble candidates, to a season which has totally fizzled out!c Klopp probably wishes he said nothing until the end of the season! If you'd offered them 3rd and a cup at the start of the season they'd probably have taken it given that they did a lot of rebuilding in the summer, but the way it's unravelled from a position of strength a few weeks ago makes it seem worse. And it happening at Old Trafford and Goodison given how bad United and Everton have been will really sting. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted April 25 Report Share Posted April 25 3 hours ago, robinforlife2 said: Liverpool have completely choked in recent weeks. Fell apart in the FA Cup, then the Europa League and now in the Premier League. They've gone from looking strong treble candidates, to a season which has totally fizzled out!c Klopp probably wishes he said nothing until the end of the season! Klopp the flop. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted April 25 Report Share Posted April 25 9 hours ago, Lew-T said: @Super is upset tonight I know! Actually predicted that result. Liverpool haven't played well for a long time and have been scraping by most of this season in games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markthehorn Posted April 25 Report Share Posted April 25 I noticed Klopp put all the bigger names back in yesterday after their good win at Fulham with a “fringe” team . Maybe should have stuck with a winning confident team !? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W-S-M Seagull Posted April 25 Report Share Posted April 25 10 hours ago, Shauntaylor85 said: Arsenal won the league tonight. They want it the most, City will slip. Yea City with their 17 game unbeaten run in the league clearly don't want to win an historic 4 in a row. How can you say Arsenal won it last night when City have 2 games in hand on them? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTonyTony Posted April 25 Report Share Posted April 25 Also, Salah looks like a shadow of his former self. Big job for the new boss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hankey Posted April 25 Report Share Posted April 25 10 hours ago, Shauntaylor85 said: Dreadful. Finishing on a par with us, Nunez is shocking! He is so bad it's hilarious.......paid almost £70mil for him, mental business! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted April 25 Author Admin Report Share Posted April 25 2 hours ago, W-S-M Seagull said: Yea City with their 17 game unbeaten run in the league clearly don't want to win an historic 4 in a row. How can you say Arsenal won it last night when City have 2 games in hand on them? Can't see Arsenal winning all their remaining games, but if they do massive credit to them Tottenham and Man Utd away are two very tricky ties ahead I agree it's Man City's to lose now 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W-S-M Seagull Posted April 25 Report Share Posted April 25 29 minutes ago, phantom said: Can't see Arsenal winning all their remaining games, but if they do massive credit to them Tottenham and Man Utd away are two very tricky ties ahead I agree it's Man City's to lose now Everyone write Man City off every season and it baffles me because they always always go on incredible runs at the end of the season. Like a boxing match really. Start off slow and then come alive in the final rounds. But fair play to Arsenal they have taken a step forward this season. But if you asked me who's likely to win all their remaining games out of the two then my money is on Man City. City do like to make things difficult for themselves at times but they have the favourable fixture list. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBFC II Posted April 25 Report Share Posted April 25 2 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said: Everyone write Man City off every season and it baffles me because they always always go on incredible runs at the end of the season. Like a boxing match really. Start off slow and then come alive in the final rounds. But fair play to Arsenal they have taken a step forward this season. But if you asked me who's likely to win all their remaining games out of the two then my money is on Man City. City do like to make things difficult for themselves at times but they have the favourable fixture list. Rotherham and Stoke are two favourable fixtures in our race for 11th I agree! Oh wait, wrong City... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted April 25 Report Share Posted April 25 5 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said: Everyone write Man City off every season and it baffles me because they always always go on incredible runs at the end of the season. Like a boxing match really. Start off slow and then come alive in the final rounds. But fair play to Arsenal they have taken a step forward this season. But if you asked me who's likely to win all their remaining games out of the two then my money is on Man City. City do like to make things difficult for themselves at times but they have the favourable fixture list. Everyone does not write them off. All people said was they aren't as good as last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTonyTony Posted April 25 Report Share Posted April 25 13 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said: City do like to make things difficult for themselves at times but they have the favourable fixture list. Ahh, so difficult, having spent a Billion quid on players and 10's of millions on Lawyers to block their FFP punishments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W-S-M Seagull Posted April 25 Report Share Posted April 25 14 minutes ago, TonyTonyTony said: Ahh, so difficult, having spent a Billion quid on players and 10's of millions on Lawyers to block their FFP punishments. Yes Man City and Chelsea both win everything with the billions they spent combined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTonyTony Posted April 25 Report Share Posted April 25 7 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said: Yes Man City and Chelsea both win everything with the billions they spent combined. I thought the conversation was about the title run in? Chelsea are 9th. They will soon be in the shit with FFP no doubt but Man City are particularly dislikeable imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W-S-M Seagull Posted April 25 Report Share Posted April 25 10 minutes ago, TonyTonyTony said: I thought the conversation was about the title run in? Chelsea are 9th. They will soon be in the shit with FFP no doubt but Man City are particularly dislikeable imo Chelsea have spent billions but are as you say 9th. Which proves your point to be invalid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBFC II Posted April 25 Report Share Posted April 25 (edited) 2 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said: Chelsea have spent billions but are as you say 9th. Which proves your point to be invalid. I'd be pretty confident Man City wouldn't be in the running for a fourth league title in a row if they spent a quarter of their £400 million pounds a year on wages to be honest... The point isn't invalid that these clubs have no difficulties when they can spend whatever they want on whoever they want and have 3rd teams who would be fighting for Europe Edited April 25 by JBFC II Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W-S-M Seagull Posted April 25 Report Share Posted April 25 Just now, JBFC II said: I'd be pretty confident Man City wouldn't be in the running for a fourth league title in a row if they spent a quarter of their £400 million pounds a year on wages to be honest... The point isn't invalid that these clubs have no difficulties when they can spend whatever they want on whoever they want and have 3rd teams who would be fighting for Europe The arguement I'm presenting is that it's very easy to say "Man City only win because of the money they spent" But then we have multiple examples of other clubs spending money and not getting success. It's one thing spending money but a totally different ball game spending it correctly. Not sure why you've mentioned how much Man City spend on wages? Isn't it Man Utd that have the highest wage bill? How's that going for them? Didn't Man City post profits of 80 odd million? So why wouldn't they spend that sort of money on wages when they are able to do so within their own means? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted April 25 Report Share Posted April 25 Can anyone spot the Man City fan on this thread? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTonyTony Posted April 25 Report Share Posted April 25 16 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said: It's one thing spending money but a totally different ball game spending it correctly unfairly, and against the rules, whilst at the same time having more Lawyers than UEFA. You mean this Season tickets still on sale: https://www.mancity.com/tickets/season-tickets-2425 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkev Posted April 25 Report Share Posted April 25 1 hour ago, JBFC II said: Rotherham and Stoke are two favourable fixtures in our race for 11th I agree! Oh wait, wrong City... On paper 4 points minimum for city - but as you say it’s city so probably 1 at best am I right in saying Rotherham haven’t won away all season - I’ll leave it there 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBFC II Posted April 25 Report Share Posted April 25 34 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said: The arguement I'm presenting is that it's very easy to say "Man City only win because of the money they spent" But then we have multiple examples of other clubs spending money and not getting success. It's one thing spending money but a totally different ball game spending it correctly. Not sure why you've mentioned how much Man City spend on wages? Isn't it Man Utd that have the highest wage bill? How's that going for them? Didn't Man City post profits of 80 odd million? So why wouldn't they spend that sort of money on wages when they are able to do so within their own means? Man United spent roughly £90 million less on wages last season than City, so no, not exactly. The money Man City have spent is the key factor behind their success, look at where the club was 20 years ago compared to where it is now. That rise is due to finances and very little else. Of course, they've spent well (even if they've seemingly broken every rule in the book with FFP), but let's not pretend they'd be challenging if they didn't have the biggest budget in the league. They may have posted profits, but they've also got over 100 charges against them for financial fair play, which is hardly a good look 2 minutes ago, redkev said: On paper 4 points minimum for city - but as you say it’s city so probably 1 at best am I right in saying Rotherham haven’t won away all season - I’ll leave it there Big crowd Game we should win End of the season Wurzels afterwards It's a guaranteed 0-0/0-1 match isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkev Posted April 25 Report Share Posted April 25 4 minutes ago, JBFC II said: Man United spent roughly £90 million less on wages last season than City, so no, not exactly. The money Man City have spent is the key factor behind their success, look at where the club was 20 years ago compared to where it is now. That rise is due to finances and very little else. Of course, they've spent well (even if they've seemingly broken every rule in the book with FFP), but let's not pretend they'd be challenging if they didn't have the biggest budget in the league. They may have posted profits, but they've also got over 100 charges against them for financial fair play, which is hardly a good look Big crowd Game we should win End of the season Wurzels afterwards It's a guaranteed 0-0/0-1 match isn't it? Yep you know your city like me , my first city match was along time ago ,1973 palace not won in 19 games come to Ashton gate - yep you guessed it 1-0 palace Alan Whittle for them 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W-S-M Seagull Posted April 25 Report Share Posted April 25 17 minutes ago, JBFC II said: Man United spent roughly £90 million less on wages last season than City, so no, not exactly. The money Man City have spent is the key factor behind their success, look at where the club was 20 years ago compared to where it is now. That rise is due to finances and very little else. Of course, they've spent well (even if they've seemingly broken every rule in the book with FFP), but let's not pretend they'd be challenging if they didn't have the biggest budget in the league. They may have posted profits, but they've also got over 100 charges against them for financial fair play, which is hardly a good look Big crowd Game we should win End of the season Wurzels afterwards It's a guaranteed 0-0/0-1 match isn't it? I did a Google search and most results said Man Utd were the highest, some said City. But again the point I was making was spending money doesn't matter. As we've seen with countless other clubs. It's a very weak arguement. Chelsea are the case and point so it's disingenuous to say City are only challenging because of the money. Of course they had investment to propel them. Not denying it. So have many many other clubs. Shouldn't have to point this out really. But for some bizarre reason City seem to be the only club that isn't allowed investment? City have got the money and they spend it wisely. Why wouldn't they? I don't know if they've breached ffp. None of us do. We'll find out in the fullness of time. Fed up of saying this but look how long it took to deal with Evertons 1 charge that they admitted to breaching. It takes quite a while longer to deal with 115 breaches that City deny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBFC II Posted April 25 Report Share Posted April 25 51 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said: I did a Google search and most results said Man Utd were the highest, some said City. But again the point I was making was spending money doesn't matter. As we've seen with countless other clubs. It's a very weak arguement. Chelsea are the case and point so it's disingenuous to say City are only challenging because of the money. Of course they had investment to propel them. Not denying it. So have many many other clubs. Shouldn't have to point this out really. But for some bizarre reason City seem to be the only club that isn't allowed investment? City have got the money and they spend it wisely. Why wouldn't they? I don't know if they've breached ffp. None of us do. We'll find out in the fullness of time. Fed up of saying this but look how long it took to deal with Evertons 1 charge that they admitted to breaching. It takes quite a while longer to deal with 115 breaches that City deny. Just have a look at their financial reports, for the 2023 year Man City had a payroll of £422 million, compared to the 331 million of Man United. I can link them here if you'd like. Not saying they aren't allowed investment, but it isn't disingenuous at all to say they are only challenging because of money. If it wasn't for the money they wouldn't be challenging. No other club has a payroll of over £400 million pounds. Chelsea are just poorly managed, that doesn't mean man City are well managed though, as all of these charges show. Also, please stop referring to them as 'City' we're on the wrong forum for that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted April 25 Report Share Posted April 25 23 hours ago, Shauntaylor85 said: Arsenal won the league tonight. They want it the most, City will slip. Making easy work of Brighton. Only Spurs away will test them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W-S-M Seagull Posted April 25 Report Share Posted April 25 23 hours ago, Shauntaylor85 said: Arsenal won the league tonight. They want it the most, City will slip. How's that going? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W-S-M Seagull Posted April 25 Report Share Posted April 25 6 hours ago, JBFC II said: that doesn't mean man City are well managed though, as all of these charges show. How does being charged with something in any walk of life prove any guilt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBFC II Posted April 25 Report Share Posted April 25 12 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said: How does being charged with something in any walk of life prove any guilt? If they've got into the position where they've had over 100 charges then that's poor management. I'd be astonished if none of the charges resulted in a punishment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markthehorn Posted April 25 Report Share Posted April 25 31 minutes ago, Super said: Making easy work of Brighton. Only Spurs away will test them. Brighton have had an on the beach feel to them for a while and obviously Man City have been ruthless. Mind you Brighton could have had a consolation penalty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W-S-M Seagull Posted April 25 Report Share Posted April 25 36 minutes ago, JBFC II said: If they've got into the position where they've had over 100 charges then that's poor management. I'd be astonished if none of the charges resulted in a punishment That's not how it works in this country mate. The PL say they have evidence, Man City say they have evidence which proves their evidence wrong. That's the whole purpose of them having a hearing. They may well be guilty but due process needs to be followed and until that time they are not guilty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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