Baldyman Posted May 21 Report Share Posted May 21 I’d say we possibly have the best attacking options in world football right now in Kane, Saka, Foden , Bellingham , Palmer , Watkins & Toney . However there’s a massive gulf in class between those forward options and our midfield and defensive options . Any injuries to the likes of Trippier , Walker or Rice and I fear we’ll be badly exposed but who knows ? Maybe 2024 will be our year to ride our luck !! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBFC II Posted May 21 Report Share Posted May 21 9 minutes ago, Jose said: He’s always said he doesn’t play centrally for England as he doesn’t for City. Which was rubbish at the time and after a good season Southgate’s recent quote is we want him in a centre position. A walking contradiction. Anyway I’d move Bellingham back and Foden at 10 but then leaves a space on the left?! Gordon on the left? Is he good enough to make the step up to start? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted May 21 Report Share Posted May 21 22 minutes ago, Ronnie Sinclair said: The goalkeeping department must be the worst its ever been for England, apart from Pickford the others have either been dropped or injured for most of the season (Trafford looked out of his depth for Burnley before they brought Muric back in. Was Raya a better bet for Arsenal than Ramsdale, the jury probably still out). You’re dead right, it says it all if Pickford is our No.1, there’s a reason why he doesn’t play for a top club 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted May 21 Report Share Posted May 21 (edited) 16 minutes ago, JBFC II said: Surely we look to play Foden as a 10, Bellingham as an 8 alongside Rice and Trent as a right back who can step up if needed? Would be disappointed if we shove Foden onto the left with how good he’s been this season. I really don’t get the Trafford one, he’s not shown he’s good enough for the Premier League never mind England. Do we need 4 keepers in this squad anyway? Only if you set much store by nominal positions rather than roles. An example was Scholes who people complained was played on the left. He said himself that wasn't true, he was free to go wherever he wanted and just needed to move left when we were defending. The same could apply to Foden though it would help if Shaw was fit as he is good at pushing high up. It's significant that Bellingham has been named as a forward not a midfielder too. That doesn't mean that you won't be proven right of course. Trafford has suffered from being in a dreadful Burnley side but has been outstanding for the U21s. But this is a provisional squad and he is unlikely to be in the final 26. Edited May 21 by chinapig 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North London Red Posted May 21 Report Share Posted May 21 Imagine the clamour for Southgate to reconsider if Sancho and Bynoe-Gittens both play well in the Champions League final a week on Saturday. Sancho arguably a bit unlucky, as are Dier and Solanke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gillies Downs Leeds Posted May 21 Report Share Posted May 21 3 hours ago, hinsleburg said: No Shaw or Chilwell, who on earth plays Left Back? Potentially Trent to shoehorn him in and means he can move into the midfield easier when in possession? Would have the palace left back in the squad personally. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted May 21 Report Share Posted May 21 13 minutes ago, Gillies Downs Leeds said: Would have the palace left back in the squad personally. He's been very good since Glasner came in, though in more of a wing back role. I would have picked him though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathandao Posted May 21 Report Share Posted May 21 49 minutes ago, TV Tom said: You’re dead right, it says it all if Pickford is our No.1, there’s a reason why he doesn’t play for a top club Pickford is one of the best goalkeepers around. He gets so much undeserved hatred and very rarely puts a foot wrong for club and country. 2nd for clean sheets in the prem this season for a bottom half side says it all I think... 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretSam Posted May 21 Report Share Posted May 21 1 hour ago, JBFC II said: A bit confused as to what James Trafford has done to deserve a call up? Interesting that Bellingham is named as a forward whilst Trent is named as a midfielder, wonder what the plan is there? It's amazing how thin the pickings are in some positions - Trafford shouldn't be anywhere near the squad. Quite frightening how thin the midfield is as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hinsleburg Posted May 21 Report Share Posted May 21 24 minutes ago, Gillies Downs Leeds said: Would have the palace left back in the squad personally. I think Mitchell would have been my pick too, little bit old fashioned but like having left footed players at Left Back... Can see Colwill being picked as can also play there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted May 21 Report Share Posted May 21 32 minutes ago, chinapig said: Only if you set much store by nominal positions rather than roles. An example was Scholes who people complained was played on the left. He said himself that wasn't true, he was free to go wherever he wanted and just needed to move left when we were defending. The same could apply to Foden though it would help if Shaw was fit as he is good at pushing high up. For me, we don’t need the full backs pushing up. I’d even rather we stick a CB at LB for more defensive solidity. With the wealth of attacking options we have we are far better having Rice, Jude, Saka, Foden, Palmer & Kane as the front 6 and just telling the back 4 to stick to defending. Those attacking players don’t need full backs pushing high. They’ll just get in the way. Our weakest area is the defence. We should just tell all 4 to stay back and focus on that 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malago Posted May 21 Report Share Posted May 21 20 minutes ago, Nathandao said: Pickford is one of the best goalkeepers around. He gets so much undeserved hatred and very rarely puts a foot wrong for club and country. 2nd for clean sheets in the prem this season for a bottom half side says it all I think... Specialist in saving pens as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted May 21 Report Share Posted May 21 22 minutes ago, Nathandao said: Pickford is one of the best goalkeepers around. He gets so much undeserved hatred and very rarely puts a foot wrong for club and country. 2nd for clean sheets in the prem this season for a bottom half side says it all I think... Yep. Without him Everton would likely have been relegated at some point in the last few years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grifty Posted May 21 Report Share Posted May 21 (edited) My ideal team would be Pickford Walker Stones Maguire Shaw TAA Rice Bellingham Saka Kane Foden Shaw to operate as a flying wingback, with the other 3 forming a more conventional back 3. Foden, although showing there as left forward basically does what he wants where he wants to link in with Jude, Kane and Saka and make them click. Shaw can provide a bit more width and cover on the left flank. Walkers pace can make up for anything on the other side. Football would be coming home! Edited May 21 by grifty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carey 6 Posted May 21 Report Share Posted May 21 1 hour ago, JBFC II said: Off the bat I'd say Trafford, Branthwaite, Quansah, Wharton, Jones, Toney and Eze. The teams for the friendlies will give us more of a hint Branthwaite is twice the player Dunk is. Dunk has played a few times for England and has seemed to make a mistake every single time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted May 21 Report Share Posted May 21 58 minutes ago, North London Red said: Imagine the clamour for Southgate to reconsider if Sancho and Bynoe-Gittens both play well in the Champions League final a week on Saturday. Sancho arguably a bit unlucky, as are Dier and Solanke. Sancho was never an automatic pick even when he was ripping it up for Dortmund first time around, amd when he was picked there were the same questions about attitude (timekeeping etc) and mentality that have caused him problems at club level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted May 21 Report Share Posted May 21 Question is who will miss out when the squad I’d culled? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTonyTony Posted May 21 Report Share Posted May 21 We are so strong up front - Just imagine if Musiala had chosen to play for England. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W-S-M Seagull Posted May 21 Report Share Posted May 21 2 hours ago, Northern Red said: It's the right call on Rashford, but I'd forgive him if he feels a bit miffed that Grealish has made the cut when he hasn't. Grealish had a fantastic season last season and has been OK this season. I don't think he lost his place for Man City because he has been playing poorly, think its more a case of being kept out of the team by the superb Doku. Grealish has won 3 premier leagues in a row and a treble. Plus he has a good relationship with Foden so based on those things I can see why he is in the squad ahead of Rashford who's just done nothing. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W-S-M Seagull Posted May 21 Report Share Posted May 21 5 minutes ago, TonyTonyTony said: We are so strong up front - Just imagine if Musiala had chosen to play for England. And Haaland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North London Red Posted May 21 Report Share Posted May 21 2 minutes ago, Northern Red said: Sancho was never an automatic pick even when he was ripping it up for Dortmund first time around, amd when he was picked there were the same questions about attitude (timekeeping etc) and mentality that have caused him problems at club level. Not automatic, but still got 23 caps in three years. Totally get the point about professionalism, but Sancho could be a potentially devastating option from the bench against a tiring defence. Dortmund have worked out how to get the best out of him (for the wider benefit of the team); Ten Hag and Southgate haven’t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveF Posted May 21 Report Share Posted May 21 6 minutes ago, North London Red said: Not automatic, but still got 23 caps in three years. Totally get the point about professionalism, but Sancho could be a potentially devastating option from the bench against a tiring defence. Dortmund have worked out how to get the best out of him (for the wider benefit of the team); Ten Hag and Southgate haven’t. He's not really been tearing it up for Dortmund, though slowly getting back to his best. I'd argue on this season people like Gordon and Bowen deserve a place more so than Sancho. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted May 21 Report Share Posted May 21 33 minutes ago, Harry said: For me, we don’t need the full backs pushing up. I’d even rather we stick a CB at LB for more defensive solidity. With the wealth of attacking options we have we are far better having Rice, Jude, Saka, Foden, Palmer & Kane as the front 6 and just telling the back 4 to stick to defending. Those attacking players don’t need full backs pushing high. They’ll just get in the way. Our weakest area is the defence. We should just tell all 4 to stay back and focus on that A 4-0-6 formation would certainly be brave and probably unprecedented! With the quality of defenders we have being so much lower than our attackers we would likely be overwhelmed. And how do you get any coherent game plan with 6 attackers getting in each other's way, occupying the same spaces? It doesn't seem to be the ways tournaments have been won in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted May 21 Report Share Posted May 21 (edited) 7 minutes ago, chinapig said: A 4-0-6 formation would certainly be brave and probably unprecedented! With the quality of defenders we have being so much lower than our attackers we would likely be overwhelmed. And how do you get any coherent game plan with 6 attackers getting in each other's way, occupying the same spaces? It doesn't seem to be the ways tournaments have been won in the past. Ha ha. No, I mean you’d still have Rice and Jude essentially as central midfielders, so you’d have Rice more the holding CM with Jude getting forward. I just don’t think that with Saka, Foden & let’s say Palmer all in advanced attacking positions, with Jude able to join them, it doesn’t require full backs to get up the pitch as well. I’d rather we picked 4 solid proper defenders who are there to defend first and foremost and let the flair players do the attacking and creativity. Would also help lots if Stones didn’t hold onto the ball for about 38 seconds every time he gets it and slows everything down. Just ping it into Foden or Jude and play from there with speed and intensity. No need for the slow ball played by Stones Edited May 21 by Harry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Malago Posted May 21 Report Share Posted May 21 45 minutes ago, grifty said: My ideal team would be Pickford Walker Stones Maguire Shaw TAA Rice Bellingham Saka Kane Foden Shaw to operate as a flying wingback, with the other 3 forming a more conventional back 3. Foden, although showing there as left forward basically does what he wants where he wants to link in with Jude, Kane and Saka and make them click. Shaw can provide a bit more width and cover on the left flank. Walkers pace can make up for anything on the other side. Football would be coming home! Foden is wasted on the left. Play him as the 10, play Bellingham alongside Rice and Palmer on the left of the front 3 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderHead92 Posted May 21 Report Share Posted May 21 5 minutes ago, Malago said: Foden is wasted on the left. Play him as the 10, play Bellingham alongside Rice and Palmer on the left of the front 3 I be tempted 4-1-4-1 with rice as the holding midfielder and Saka Foden Bellingham palmer in front Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBFC II Posted May 21 Report Share Posted May 21 48 minutes ago, Carey 6 said: Branthwaite is twice the player Dunk is. Dunk has played a few times for England and has seemed to make a mistake every single time. I'd agree. I feel like with it being an major tournament Southgate will be as conservative as possible, Branthwaite has yet to play for England, it's a big risk taking him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Acton Red Posted May 21 Report Share Posted May 21 5 hours ago, grifty said: Would he go Trent at centre mid? With Walker at RB and Trippier able to cover both full back positions we can free Trent into centre mid with Rice and Bellingham just ahead. Foden, Kane, Saka as a top 3 but let Foden drift everywhere and do what he wants basically. Hopefully Foden will tear up this tournament. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted May 21 Report Share Posted May 21 17 minutes ago, Malago said: Foden is wasted on the left. Play him as the 10, play Bellingham alongside Rice and Palmer on the left of the front 3 That’s what I’d do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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