5 Games Left For Tinnion.

[screech]

Sorry to be blunt here but I believe Tins has only got 5 games left in charge after this dismal start to the season. 12 points from 10 games is not good enough and we are now 8 points behind where we want to be after this amount of games (based on the 2 points average a game theory). I was a Tinnion fan when he was offered the job, believing he was the right man to get us auto promotion, there wasn't much wrong with last seasons team, it bored us yes, but it had a good solid shape to it and teams found it hard to break us down and nick points off us.

We have become a soft touch, a push over, call it what you want, we are an easy team to beat right now, what has happened to our team over the summer period? Teams are playing straight through us, and these are average teams too, we haven't yet met a decent side in the division, forget signing just a target man, we need at least 2 defenders a left winger a second keeper and the target man, but more than this, this team needs direction, a leader amongst it's ranks, and that needs to come from the top. The team are failing again and to be honest it has to be the managers fault

Two top 3 places in two seasons was failure in the chairmans eyes and I thought so too and so did many of you on here, Danny Wilson couldn't get this team up no matter what he spent on players, time ran out and he had to go rightly or wrongly, Tinnion came in and I expected him to spot the problems quickly and iron them out and get this team off to a flyer, well 10 games in and 12 points is no flyer, it's rubbish and not good enough.

I respect Tins greatly as a player for all that he has done for this club, but it aint working for him, 5 league games I give him to get us 3 wins and 2 draws to give us a chance, if not the board have 2 options.

option a) An open cheque book to buy whoever he likes whatever the cost to get us promoted. very unlikely

option b) p45. ruthless but it may save our season.

5 league games and that's his lot, 11 points or more and he stays, anything less than that and you have to say after a third of the season has passed us by it looks like a mid table finish, and that is definately out of the question.

[Wardie]

Give the bloke a little time for christ sake! We came back from 3-1 down today and got a point. :@

[spongebob]

RUBBISH

Tins will not be sacked or resign this season it is the mans first season as a manager, we have made a poor star yes but tinman has had 11 (12) games as a manager after only being a player and part time coach for the last 11 years at this club.

You say you are sorry to say it but i genuinely believe that you are not, and that you are one of those people who said he would struggle at the start of the season and loves to be proved right.

[Rich-TWSC-]

I've got to say that after reading comments on here over the last month folk do seem to be content/preparing themselves for a mid-table finish... I could be wrong there.

Tinnion won't have to worry till Early 2005 in my opinion... Though Luton are turning from pace-setters to runaway leaders aren't they.

[screech]

RUBBISH

Tins will not be sacked or resign this season it is the mans first season as a manager, we have made a poor star yes but tinman has had 11 (12) games as a manager after only being a player and part time coach for the last 11 years at this club.

You say you are sorry to say it but i genuinely believe that you are not, and that you are one of those people who said he would struggle at the start of the season and loves to be proved right.

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You are very wrong about that, if you wish to read any of my previous posts you would see that I have been a big supporter of his and had high hopes of him getting us up.

[spongebob]

You are very wrong about that, if you wish to read any of my previous posts you would see that I have been a big supporter of his and had high hopes of him getting us up.

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All very good but why put this post in then? You are opening the man up to a lot of criticism, which he doesnt need at the moment

[bobby]

Sorry to be blunt here but I believe Tins has only got 5 games left in charge after this dismal start to the season. 12 points from 10 games is not good enough and we are now 8 points behind where we want to be after this amount of games (based on the 2 points average a game theory). I was a Tinnion fan when he was offered the job, believing he was the right man to get us auto promotion, there wasn't much wrong with last seasons team, it bored us yes, but it had a good solid shape to it and teams found it hard to break us down and nick points off us.

We have become a soft touch, a push over, call it what you want, we are an easy team to beat right now, what has happened to our team over the summer period? Teams are playing straight through us, and these are average teams too, we haven't yet met a decent side in the division, forget signing just a target man, we need at least 2 defenders a left winger a second keeper and the target man, but more than this, this team needs direction, a leader amongst it's ranks, and that needs to come from the top. The team are failing again and to be honest it has to be the managers fault

Two top 3 places in two seasons was failure in the chairmans eyes and I thought so too and so did many of you on here, Danny Wilson couldn't get this team up no matter what he spent on players, time ran out and he had to go rightly or wrongly, Tinnion came in and I expected him to spot the problems quickly and iron them out and get this team off to a flyer, well 10 games in and 12 points is no flyer, it's rubbish and not good enough.

I respect Tins greatly as a player for all that he has done for this club, but it aint working for him, 5 league games I give him to get us 3 wins and 2 draws to give us a chance, if not the board have 2 options.

option a) An open cheque book to buy whoever he likes whatever the cost to get us promoted.  very unlikely

option b) p45. ruthless but it may save our season.

5 league games and that's his lot, 11 points or more and he stays, anything less than that and you have to say after a third of the season has passed us by it looks like a mid table finish, and that is definately out of the question.

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I think you make some fair points there, however, I would hope Tins would be given longer to establish himself and turn the team around. With players leaving, new players coming in, new management and coaching staff, things are bound to take time to settle in and work right. Tins has had to cope with injuries to key players as well, so not fair to judge yet. We have seen city play some great football already this season, so we know they are capable of it, just not consistent enough - nothing new there then!

[bucksred]

On this hoary old topic again: Got 1 observation, about the game, I've not noticed in the threads- the amount of arguing amongst themselves all game, and I think everyone of the starting 11 have a go at someone else..cant remember if the subs did, but its not good to see it happen............should only be the skipper arguing/discussing etc.............

The finishing was er eccentric, passing, er similar, and only Doc, Scoot, and Tins really put any total commitment in, although I thought Heff and Miler should have replaced Robbo, AND Leeeeeeeeeeeroy today, they looked a more potent pairing thean the others.....The defence, well we need Mickey Bell back don't we, and WHY wont Steve ckin SHOUT for the bloody ball. Surely we must be improving at set pieces by now, this is an old record which is stuck???

Frustrating today was, when you know this team can perform much better than this

This wont help Tins at all...............we know he's capable of better!!

[screech]

On this hoary old topic again: Got 1 observation, about the game, I've not noticed in the threads- the amount of arguing amongst themselves all game, and I think everyone of the starting 11 have a go at someone else..cant remember if the subs did, but its not good to see it happen............should only be the skipper arguing/discussing etc.............

The finishing was er eccentric, passing, er similar, and only Doc, Scoot, and Tins really put any total commitment in, although I thought Heff and Miler should have replaced Robbo, AND Leeeeeeeeeeeroy today, they looked a more potent pairing thean the others.....The defence, well we need Mickey Bell back don't we, and WHY wont Steve ckin SHOUT for the bloody ball. Surely we must be improving at set pieces by now, this is an old record which is stuck???

Frustrating today was, when you know this team can perform much better than this

This wont help Tins at all...............we know he's capable of better!!

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Bucks, this wasn't meant to shock or cause bad feeling towards Tins, this is me speaking honestly as a fan about our start to the season, it aint good enough to be be beaten 3-0 at Vale, 4-1 at bradford, be 3-1 down at home to Udders and it's never good to lose to Swinetown, we just don't look like a team.

Your right about the arguing, it has been mentioned on here from previous games, seems like there is a few who need to be put right, and on the field the Doc should be the only bloke dishing it out, off the field Tins and the coaching staff.

[bucksred]

Bucks, this wasn't meant to shock or cause bad feeling towards Tins, this is me speaking honestly as a fan about our start to the season, it aint good enough to be be beaten 3-0 at Vale, 4-1 at bradford, be 3-1 down at home to Udders and it's never good to lose to Swinetown, we just don't look like a team.

Your right about the arguing, it has been mentioned on here from previous games, seems like there is a few who need to be put right, and on the field the Doc should be the only bloke dishing it out, off the field Tins and the coaching staff.

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I KNOW it wasnt, but there are those who do..............its just bloody frustratin!!! I know, drove 100 miles to watch this, and my God its different aint it!!

[lotusman]

Well Screech I'm sure B.T. is pleased that you have given him 5 games to get it right,so 3 wins & 2 draws is your requirement. Now what about if they lose one of the games but win the other 4,will that be O.K.?

Oh, what score-lines were you wanting?

Couple of points to remember,there are no prizes at the third of the season stage,secondly,your "ruthless" strategy will that also apply to the next incumbent and then the one after that and so on?

[Guest SteveinNC]

I have to agree with Screech to a point, it is a very unsatisfactory start to the season so far. However, I do not think Tins will be sacked any time soon. That would be very embarrassing for the board, and Tins probably will be given to the end of the season to try and get it right. But I am convinced we will finish no higher than mid-table. Next season however will be a different story....although it has been said many times before, it will be promotion or bust for Tinns.

[Guest bristolbred]

Does it really matter if we go up this season??.

We have had three seasons of false hope when everyone (except me!) was saying how good Wilson was, yet it all turned out nasty when we finished third two seasons on the trot, and look how dire the Play-off final was!!!.

If we had gone up, so would of the players wages, and just how good would we of been if we had gone up??, how many new players would we need to strengthen the side??. Would those we stuck with do the business and played their heart out week in, week out, or would they just have extra to spend "socialising!" in the City centre??.

Who knows??.

But what i do know is that as far as i am concerned, Brian Tinnion has three seasons to build a strong side that when they do go up, they are more than capable of holding their own in the Championship!!.

[MATT BCFC]

If he did resign or get sacked (hope not) but now Shef Wed have got Sturock what better managers are there around?

[fct]

I agree City would have been better with Sturrock but Tinnion is manager so lets face a few truths here. One he is learning the job and this may well take a season or so for him to settle into a style and tactical habit that will bring success more often than failure.

Two, he will find problems he never did when purely a player (such as player egos against his management and injury setbacks to a planned team) and as a result may need time to get around them.

No doubt there are other reasons too so please lets not sit here assuming City should end up in a top 2 position. I think a 10th place is more likely and at no time thought the pre-season ludicrous idea of city being favourites in any way realistic.

Time is what we need, and if time isn't given to Tinnion and he is replaced, then by whom and do we then expect top 2? And if that is beyond this man then is he sacked too? Then by another and another and another? If some fans on this forum had their way, we would have a different manager every 6 weeks or so. Its ludicrous, unrealistic and to be blunt naive.

The reality of it all is that city now need a settling down period and if this means no promotion this year then so be it.

[MATT BCFC]

If a new manager came in aswell they would have to get to know the players in a very short period of time aswell

[Roadrunner]

If a new manager came in aswell they would have to get to know the players in a very short period of time aswell

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Just check out Sheffield Wednesdays result yesterday.

I said after Cardiff that Wilson should be given 10 games. SL did not have that ammount of confidence in Danny. But did in Brian, and said he would get us into the Championship automaticly. I then said if after 10 games we are in the top two then great and SL had got it right.

After 10 games it is not how close we are to the top two spots. But how close we are to the bottom 4 spots. For goddness sake get real look at the table. Have Luton got more cash then us. Have they a bigger and better squad?. Stop talking about we got this we've got that. Look at the table, think about the performances GET REAL and to the board once again you got us to this point what are you going to do about it.

[screech]

So if the objection wasn't promotion for this season why on earth did Danny Wilson get sacked last season, the chairman stated publicly that we have to go up this season and he was not impressed by finishing in the play offs again, Tinnion himself said that this is why he is now manager because he believes this team is good enough to get promoted, current form suggests we almost certainly aren't going to be in the top 2.

Some poster wrote do we need to get promoted this year, the chairman thinks so, the manager thinks so, I certainly think so, if it means Tins moves aside and a new manager comes in and we start winning then that's all I care about. We don't have time to hang about in this division any longer, or we will lag further behind than we already are, promotion this season is the only thing acceptable to chairman and manager and fans. We have seen cutbacks after failure, more failure means more cut backs and that will set us back years.

We have had the settling down period under Wilson, Tins has the remains of a 3rd place team from last season with the addition of Heffernan and Smith with Leapy and Carey gone so we haven't seen big changes, the only change now is the results against would be cannon fodder last season. Promotion is what the fans want this season, and we don't look likely candidates.

[fct]

Give it time. I also never inferred the official people at BCFC shared my views, I merely put my own forward as a personal feeling as to where the club will finish given the general state of play at present. Of course this may change for better or even worse as the season pans out, but currently I don't expect great things and to be fair to everyone I think they ought to revise any over-optimistic views on this season too.

After watching City for so many years I have come to the conclusion that to expect success every season is asking for too much. And by success I mean promotion and/or a cup win. Its nice wishing for it but unrealisitc to expect it. Too many people here on this forum seem to expect City ought to go up. But why should that be? We've seen far too many promising situations crumble recently so why should this season be any different?

Besides, I think it far better City come from a long way off for a late challenge rather than go top at Christmas and then choke in April as they have done in at least 3 recent seasons. Hence my lack of concern at this juncture at City's league placing. As to solving the current playing field problems, all City need are two players anyway; a decent defensive midfielder and a decent centre-back.

[richieb]

Does it really matter if we go up this season??.

We have had three seasons of false hope when everyone (except me!) was saying how good Wilson was, yet it all turned out nasty when we finished third two seasons on the trot, and look how dire the Play-off final was!!!.

If we had gone up, so would of the players wages, and just how good would we of been if we had gone up??, how many new players would we need to strengthen the side??. Would those we stuck with do the business and played their heart out week in, week out, or would they just have extra to spend "socialising!" in the City centre??.

Who knows??.

But what i do know is that as far as i am concerned, Brian Tinnion has three seasons to build a strong side that when they do go up, they are more than capable of holding their own in the Championship!!.

         

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So we are to build a side over the next 3 seasons,capable of promotion & usutain a foothold in the Championship?

Surely this is a wind-up BB?

For every season we saty down the wage bill will be cut,fans will disappear & the whole commercial side will decrease.

Both Management & fans want promotion NOW.

So did Plymouth, BHA & QPR,take their time to get it right? This squad we are told is the strongest in the division & should be in the mix already.

Sreech has made some strong points & the defensive strengths that DW instilled have been lost.

As I see it,SL won't let the season disappear, but I also see that Tinnion won't be sacked. We could bring in someone to work with BT. God help us!

[screech]

Well Screech I'm sure B.T. is pleased that you have given him 5 games to get it right,so 3 wins & 2 draws is your requirement. Now what about if they lose one of the games but win the other 4,will that be O.K.?

Read my post again and I said 11 points or more out of 5 games, so yes 4 wins would be fine!

Oh, what score-lines were you wanting?

Doesn't matter as long as we win, I would settle for 1-0 wins for the rest of the season!

Couple of points to remember,there are no prizes at the third of the season stage,secondly,your "ruthless" strategy will that also apply to the next incumbent and then the one after that and so on?

If it means we get through 10 managers in the next 10 weeks who cares, I honestly couldn't care if Bin Laden was in charge of team affairs, I care about winning and winners, what we are seeing is losing and losers, this isn't what I want to see, do you?

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[Pewsham]

I'm normally an optimistic type of person, but I cannot see any way we'll be promoted THIS season with Tinnion in charge. In my view, his appointment was merely part of a wider cost cutting exercise, and a place in the play offs should only be seen as a bonus - though somehow I think mid table is more likely. If we look like we're failing in 2005/06, then maybe someone else should have an opportunity to do the job. This isn't a promotion year, this is a reconstruction year...get used to it!

[bobby]

So if the objection wasn't promotion for this season why on earth did Danny Wilson get sacked last season, the chairman stated publicly that we have to go up this season and he was not impressed by finishing in the play offs again, Tinnion himself said that this is why he is now manager because he believes this team is good enough to get promoted, current form suggests we almost certainly aren't going to be in the top 2.

We have had the settling down period under Wilson, Tins has the remains of a 3rd place team from last season with the addition of Heffernan and Smith with Leapy and Carey gone so we haven't seen big changes, the only change now is the results against would be cannon fodder last season. Promotion is what the fans want this season, and we don't look likely candidates.

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Well said Screech - Wilson was sacked for not getting us promoted, so as was made clear from the start his replacement has to get us promoted or he will be deemed a failure too!

[jimmyb]

Hurrah!!! The Great Brian Tinnion Love In appears to be coming to an end.

I must say i have been amazed at peoples attitudes over recent weeks -its been creeping in that this is a period of 'consolidation' and 'settling down' and we need to take time now to build a team to get promoted.

What!!!??? This team finished third in each of the last two seasons - promotion this time - no excuses.

When Brian was appointed were we told that our push for thie big time was over for now so prepare for few more seasons down here while we groom the young lads and come again? No.

Were we told to forget about promotion? No.

We were told however that Brian knows the club inside out and can take the club forward and have us challenging for promotion sooner rather than later (perhaps we should have asked for clarity on exactly what that meant). A new manager from outside by the way would have resulted in the aforementioned consolidation and settling down which is why we went with Brian instead so as to avoid a disapointing mid table finish.

Would DW (who i was no fan of and wasnt sad to see leave) be getting this kind of reaction after 10 games?? No bloody chance - his head would've been on the block after Port Vale.

Would any other manager who may have been brought in be getting this kind of slack after 10 games?? No bloody chance - there heads would've been on the block after Bradford.

This has been a crap start to the season - same as last year (we are only 2 points worse off this year by the way). Novemeber December and January got us off the hook last year - will they this year? I'm not confident. Whilst last year wasnt great least we looked a bit solid at the back which means you are capapble of getting lucky and winning soem games - especially away from home. This Kevin Keegan win everything 4-3, 5-4 or 7-6 is never going to work - just ask newcastle fans.

5 games tinman has to sort it? More like 2 if you ask me as unfortunately the great god of the fixture computer has not been kind.

Chesterfield away. Bad memories come flooding back already. The're unbeaten at home by the way. Four wins out of 5. 13 points from 15.

Then Peter Taylors boys at home. Ah memories of possible managers past. Curently second with 3 wins and 10 goals on the road already.

Thank god Tranmere are overflowing with internationals.

All this Tinmans fault?

Not really if you ask me, the responsibility lies with those higher up the food chain who appointed him in the first place without taking the time to at least look at other options, but he is out of his depth in this job and doesnt have the people around him to keep his head above the water. Remember Millen's surprise at being offered the Number 2 spot?? He knew.

At the end of the day this squad has had minimal disruption from last year. OK Peacocks gone but we've been rattling the net frequently so no great loss - certainly not going forward anyway - defensively maybe but is that a good enough justification for keeping a striker?

Carey's gone - IMO no great loss at all and Smith is more than adequate replacement with Kev on his way back hopefully in a bit of form.

And of course A Brown. He wouldnt actually have played anyway yet this year due to his broken leg. Bad luck with injuries is costing us dear on the left at the moment(and that's not anyones fault - not even the romans). Still that new target man will help us out there i'm sure - apparantly he'll also sort out the defence as well - and score a few goals if he gets the chance to spend enough time in the opposition penalty box instead of our own.

Rant over. I do hope Brian can do it - and no-one will be happier to eat there words than me - but i just don't think we will. A few weeks ago i thought we might have turned the corner but this was i fear a false dawn.

We had the opportunity to do something about it with Sturrock but didnt grasp the chance when we should've - and believe me he will come back and bite us very hard on the arse - cause we're Bristol City and thats what people do to us.

[reddoh]

How many of you whingers would be happy if just after you had started a new job people started saying you were Cr*p and should be sacked ??

you would think they were picking on you and being a tad unfair

[bobby]

How many of you whingers would be happy if just after you had started a new job people started saying you were Cr*p and should be sacked ??

you would think they were picking on you and being a tad unfair

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I take your point but if I had started my new job knowing the previous occupant had been sacked for only getting us to 3rd and a play off final and I heard the boss clearly saying promotion is the aim and that is why I was in the job then yes I would expect criticism if it didn't look like I was going to achieve that aim.

Equally if I had walked into the job and said I expected us to get promotion and that that was my clear intention, then I would expect criticism when things were going badly.

No I wouldn't expect to be sacked this early but I would be looking over my shoulder and expecting it sooner rather than later!

[Dave L]

I sincerely hope Tinnion will not be sacked in ten games time, nor should he be.

A season consists of 46 games. The time to make a judgement on his success as manager is then. I said exactly the same about Danny Wilson last season when we were in a similar league position after 10 games. Some people were confidently predicting relegation. We finished 3rd.

Disappointment at poor performances is understandable. Questions have to be asked about aspects of the team's performances. That's our right as fans. But I hope and trust that the City board have more patience and more confidence in their management team than some supporters seem to have. If Tins went now, how long would you give the next manager. Another 10 games, then sack him if we weren't top?

For what it's worth, I believe that we will finish in the top 6 this season.

[lotusman]

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Well if you've been following the club for any length of time your desire to be a "winner" has rarely been fulfilled.Sad to say but if you can relate to reality for a few minutes you will recognise that we have under-achieved in 30 of the last 40 seasons.

I promise you like all City fans I desire success but I've been around long enough to realise Rome was not built in a day and that short term goals are pretty meaningless. Just last season there was a club that won 10 in a row, did it do them any good? So you see it really is far to early to be showing B.T. the door.Don't know how far you go back but Alan Dicks came under great pressure at one stage with us,fortunately many could see a bigger picture and he went on to take us to the promised land.

Am I right to think we've won 3 of our last 5 league games losing only 1,that a prem.club could not defeat us in 120' of play.

So you see I have no desire to have 10 managers over the next 10 matches instead I'll be supporting the individual that you claim to have had great respect for.Perhaps the only differance from our perspectives is that I feel he deserves it and indeed has earned it.

Suggest you view our season like a 1500m race.....the critical lap is still way off, there is still plenty of time to get things right.

[arpaul]

Hurrah!!! The Great Brian Tinnion Love In appears to be coming to an end.

I must say i have been amazed at peoples attitudes over recent weeks -its been creeping in that this is a period of 'consolidation' and 'settling down' and we need to take time now to build a team to get promoted.

What!!!??? This team finished third in each of the last two seasons - promotion this time - no excuses.

When Brian was appointed were we told that our push for thie big time was over for now so prepare for few more seasons down here while we groom the young lads and come again? No.

Were we told to forget about promotion? No.

We were told however that Brian knows the club inside out and can take the club forward and have us challenging for promotion sooner rather than later (perhaps we should have asked for clarity on exactly what that meant). A new manager from outside by the way would have resulted in the aforementioned consolidation and settling down which is why we went with Brian instead so as to avoid a disapointing mid table finish.

Would DW (who i was no fan of and wasnt sad to see leave) be getting this kind of reaction after 10 games?? No bloody chance - his head would've been on the block after Port Vale.

Would any other manager who may have been brought in be getting this kind of slack after 10 games?? No bloody chance - there heads would've been on the block after Bradford.

This has been a crap start to the season - same as last year (we are only 2 points worse off this year by the way). Novemeber December and January got us off the hook last year - will they this year? I'm not confident. Whilst last year wasnt great least we looked a bit solid at the back which means you are capapble of getting lucky and winning soem games - especially away from home. This Kevin Keegan win everything 4-3, 5-4 or 7-6 is never going to work - just ask newcastle fans.

5 games tinman has to sort it? More like 2 if you ask me as unfortunately the great god of the fixture computer has not been kind.

Chesterfield away. Bad memories come flooding back already. The're unbeaten at home by the way. Four wins out of 5. 13 points from 15.

Then Peter Taylors boys at home. Ah memories of possible managers past. Curently second with 3 wins and 10 goals on the road already.

Thank god Tranmere are overflowing with internationals.

All this Tinmans fault?

Not really if you ask me, the responsibility lies with those higher up the food chain who appointed him in the first place without taking the time to at least look at other options, but he is out of his depth in this job and doesnt have the people around him to keep his head above the water. Remember Millen's surprise at being offered the Number 2 spot?? He knew.

At the end of the day this squad has had minimal disruption from last year. OK Peacocks gone but we've been rattling the net frequently so no great loss - certainly not going forward anyway - defensively maybe but is that a good enough justification for keeping a striker?

Carey's gone - IMO no great loss at all and Smith is more than adequate replacement with Kev on his way back hopefully in a bit of form.

And of course A Brown. He wouldnt actually have played anyway yet this year due to his broken leg. Bad luck with injuries is costing us dear on the left at the moment(and that's not anyones fault - not even the romans). Still that new target man will help us out there i'm sure - apparantly he'll also sort out the defence as well - and score a few goals if he gets the chance to spend enough time in the opposition penalty box instead of our own.

Rant over. I do hope Brian can do it - and no-one will be happier to eat there words than me - but i just don't think we will. A few weeks ago i thought we might have turned the corner but this was i fear a false dawn.

We had the opportunity to do something about it with Sturrock but didnt grasp the chance when we should've - and believe me he will come back and bite us very hard on the arse - cause we're Bristol City and thats what people do to us.

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Well put JimmyB. However I think the damage has been done and a change should be made now, not in 5 games. We had the best defence in this league last season, but thanks to bad coaching/management have become one of the worst.

Huddersfields third was down to the forum 'legend' Tinnion,who gave up chasing the eventual goalscorer and then blasted Matt Hill!! (Watch for yourselves on TV)

The man is not up to this job, and should go along with Millen while there is still time for someone fresh to come in and take up the struggle. If this doesn't happen then I fear that come May we will be looking over our shoulders.

[Rob k]

from what i have seen this season we will be lucky to get top 10, lets not kid ourselves like we did last season, we are shipping goals for fun and don't look that great in front of goal either.