Ronnie Posted May 18, 2005 Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 £225,000 for Millar + appearance, goal and european qualification bonuses. That's what it says on their site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City Exile Posted May 18, 2005 Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 £225,000 for Millar + appearance, goal and european qualification bonuses. That's what it says on their site.←If it turns out to be the case, then good luck to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robins72 Posted May 18, 2005 Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 Club and player sound like they have struck a good deal at last. Good luck to Lee. What are city fans going to talk about now we don't have a Miller debate anymore???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted May 18, 2005 Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 Good luck to Millar - whoever he may be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tian Posted May 18, 2005 Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 If thats true i think we should've held out for a bit more.£225,000 for a 22 year old international! Who has scored 11 goals in 21 games in Scotland. Considering we paid £325,000 for Brooker who was not as proven as Miller.Just seems as though we're wanting to get rid of him quickly rather than hold out for the best deal possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Ian M Posted May 18, 2005 Admin Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 If thats true i think we should've held out for a bit more.£225,000 for a 22 year old international! Who has scored 11 goals in 21 games in Scotland. Considering we paid £325,000 for Brooker who was not as proven as Miller.Just seems as though we're wanting to get rid of him quickly rather than hold out for the best deal possible.←We haven't paid £325k for Brooker though..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Posted May 18, 2005 Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 All the best to the lad MILLER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOne Posted May 18, 2005 Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 Can someone clear something up for me here please...It says that Lee Miller has been given permission to negotiate between the 2 clubs ( Hearts and Aberdeen respectivly ) .Does this mean that the final selling price has been finalise and just the terms of contract have to be agreed between the two clubs who ever he signs for, or have City just chucked the Cat amogst the Pigeons so both clubs can scrap it out for his signature IE Bidding...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Peacock Posted May 18, 2005 Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 What are city fans going to talk about now we don't have a Miller debate anymore????←Whether he would have scored more goals than Marcus Stewart if we had kept him and not bought Stewart, assuming we do of course and assuming we have sold Miller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted May 18, 2005 Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 If there's a large sell on (25-30%) I think it's a good deal for everyone.Should it help us free up some cash for the areas we need to strengthen then great.Miller has been much better back in Scotland and I hope he has a great career.Nibor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukejones2 Posted May 18, 2005 Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 If there's a large sell on (25-30%) I think it's a good deal for everyone.Should it help us free up some cash for the areas we need to strengthen then great.Miller has been much better back in Scotland and I hope he has a great career.Nibor←Spot on and agree in the fullest possible way with everything in this post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted May 18, 2005 Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 £225,000 plus 'appearence and goal fees' is not an adequate deal in my eyes.11 league goals in 21 appearences for a future Scotland international, unless their is at least a 30% sell on clause included in the deal then this is a poor piece of business.Yes he is surplus to requirements and yes Tinnion wants money to strengthen other areas of the team, and yes he only has a year left - but if we are looking at a deal totaling £250,000 max without a sell on clause then this is poor business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted May 19, 2005 Report Share Posted May 19, 2005 So you know exactly how much the goal and appearance monies amount to ? Can you share it with us ?If you don't know, how can you say it is not adequate ?Do you know what his wages amount to, and has that been taken into consideration ? Is there a sell-on clause ? There is certainly a payment if Hearts get into Europe while Miller is with them - you missed that one out.I would think there is a tidy profit to be made here.←Gee for someone who's screenname is 'cynic' you sure take a positive outlook on things.Of course i don't know exaclty how much the deal could eventually be worth. However it is a fair assumption that, as with deals such as this, appearance fee's will amount to virtually nothing, possibly an extra £20,000 after 50 league games for the club. Goal bonuses will follow the same suit and IF Hearts get into Europe we will receive a bit more 'pocket money.'The whole point of clauses such as this is that clubs cannot afford to pay large amounts up front so they wager small amounts on varying things throughout the players designated contract time. I will be very surprised if the deal totals £350,000 assuming all potential payments come off.2 years ago we invested £325,000 in a young talented player, we are now selling a player who has a very impressive record in the Scottish Premier League - his goals to games ratio surpassing all others in that league i believe, and a player who has recently been called into the full Scotland squad. All potential payments included i cant imagine we stand to make a £100,000 profit - which is why a sell on clause is essential to this kind of deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Man In Black Posted May 19, 2005 Report Share Posted May 19, 2005 Can people please just get over this?Lee Miller is happy back in Scotland factLee Miller is happy being closer to his family factLee Miller only has a year left on his contract factLee Miller seems more suited to Scottish football factHearts are getting a good young player factIt is unlikely that we would be playing Miller regularly next season factWe're getting a return on our investment, plus maybe a little more factThis is a good deal all round and will only rise when he becomes successful up there.Lets all wish him all the best, see it's a good deal for all parties concerned and get over it.Oh, and may I add Grannyjoy will always be welcome on this forum fact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted May 19, 2005 Report Share Posted May 19, 2005 We're getting a return on our investment, plus maybe a little more factThe only one i disagree with. And as I'm looking at the deal from a business point of view this is the one that bothers me.Ha ha, if i cant proove that we will make a loss (as has been asked of me!), then you certianly cant proove we will make a profit! Lets all wish him all the best←Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Man In Black Posted May 19, 2005 Report Share Posted May 19, 2005 Put it this way Jimmy - if you're cynical you'd wish him all the best because the better he plays, the more of a return he gets.I'd be very surprised if this deal didn't involve clauses in appearances, goals, internationals and sell-ons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Ian M Posted May 19, 2005 Admin Report Share Posted May 19, 2005 Gee for someone who's screenname is 'cynic' you sure take a positive outlook on things.Of course i don't know exaclty how much the deal could eventually be worth. However it is a fair assumption that, as with deals such as this, appearance fee's will amount to virtually nothing, possibly an extra £20,000 after 50 league games for the club. Goal bonuses will follow the same suit and IF Hearts get into Europe we will receive a bit more 'pocket money.'The whole point of clauses such as this is that clubs cannot afford to pay large amounts up front so they wager small amounts on varying things throughout the players designated contract time. I will be very surprised if the deal totals £350,000 assuming all potential payments come off.2 years ago we invested £325,000 in a young talented player, we are now selling a player who has a very impressive record in the Scottish Premier League - his goals to games ratio surpassing all others in that league i believe, and a player who has recently been called into the full Scotland squad. All potential payments included i cant imagine we stand to make a £100,000 profit - which is why a sell on clause is essential to this kind of deal.←If I recall correctly, the £325k we agreed to was made up of various clauses itself with a significantly lower down-payment. How come this is a mute point when applied to our purchasing of a player but becomes salient when we sell the same player? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
England Posted May 19, 2005 Report Share Posted May 19, 2005 What's a mute point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webzcas Posted May 19, 2005 Report Share Posted May 19, 2005 This is good business especially as Lee has only 1 year remaining on his contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudgeRed Posted May 19, 2005 Report Share Posted May 19, 2005 Can people please just get over this?Oh, and may I add Grannyjoy will always be welcome on this forum fact ←This is One fact i could not and will not disagree with.Grannyjoy please come back and visit us one day soon. PLEASE!!!!and wish Lee all the very best from me at Hearts. I will be watching his career there very closely with interest. I am infact going along the lengths of buying a Hearts shirt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wookey Posted May 19, 2005 Report Share Posted May 19, 2005 What's a mute point?←It's when your swanning around. Serene on the surface but paddling like hell underneath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_C Posted May 19, 2005 Report Share Posted May 19, 2005 Judge Red don't buy that Hearts shirt yet! Aberdeen could still win the race for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudgeRed Posted May 19, 2005 Report Share Posted May 19, 2005 Judge Red don't buy that Hearts shirt yet! Aberdeen could still win the race for him.←Mate i have just got in from doing a 12hr night shift and was not thinking properly. Many thanks mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted May 19, 2005 Report Share Posted May 19, 2005 Club and player sound like they have struck a good deal at last. Good luck to Lee. What are city fans going to talk about now we don't have a Miller debate anymore????←Sadly, in the future we could well be debating his success in the SPL, the number of Scottish Caps he wins, moving to a Premiership team for a few million and then, how did we let him go so cheaply or why did we let him go at all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Man In Black Posted May 19, 2005 Report Share Posted May 19, 2005 Sadly, in the future we could well be debating his success in the SPL, the number of Scottish Caps he wins, moving to a Premiership team for a few million and then, how did we let him go so cheaply or why did we let him go at all!←Actually I think we'll be debating how lucky we were to get rid of him when he still had a year on his contract so that we got some money for him and that sell-on clause which has netted us a tidy earner, and how fantastic it is he became such a success since he was a good lad.If we'd kept him, in the next close season it would have been daggers for the board, because a homesick Miller who had barely featured because of our plethora of strikers had gone on a free, and then several years later was this huge roaring success everyone is predicting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Ian M Posted May 19, 2005 Admin Report Share Posted May 19, 2005 What's a mute point?←Very similar to a "moot point" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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