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Alternatively, have they freed George Davis yet? Does anyone my age plus remember the Test in the 70s when we were in a decent position going into the last day only for the 'Free George Davis supporters' to dig the pitch up over night so that the Test had to be called off ? I think it was at Old Trafford when Lillee and Tommo were tearing us to shreds.

If not, perhaps the 'Tinman out brigade' could bring their cause to the nation's attention.

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Just wondering what everyone thinks of the Jones injury? He's really stepped up to the mark this series, about which i am thrilled, but seems very possible that he will be out for the Oval . . . Many people are touting that Paul Colingwood will come in to the side, but I recon this is a very negative step. We don't just want to pack the team with batting and sit back on a draw, it's just asking for trouble and Collingwood's bowling just isn't test standard. If I hadn't watched some county cricket recently, I'd probs be asking Tremmers to be warming up, but he seems right of form, and i think he is carrying a niggle. It could come off having him in the side as he is a potentially matchwinning bowler yet the Aussie batsmen could tear him apart, leaving deeper scars on a bloke who deffinately has a future. I therefore think it should be "Stand up Lewey your time has (finally) come". The bloke is not a world beater but I think his dogged consistancy and experience (although extrmely limited internationally) is what we need. We've seen what a bit of consistancy caqn do with Flintoff and McGrath this series. Lewis is also preferable to Tremlett in the fact that he can make the ball move, which is a necessity on the Oval pitch as it won't do you any favours at all!

Obviously, I'd rather Jones was fit . . . .

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Just wondering what everyone thinks of the Jones injury?  He's really stepped up to the mark this series, about which i am thrilled, but seems very possible that he will be out for the Oval . . .  Many people are touting that Paul Colingwood will come in to the side, but I recon this is a very negative step.  We don't just want to pack the team with batting and sit back on a draw, it's just asking for trouble and Collingwood's bowling just isn't test standard.  If I hadn't watched some county cricket recently, I'd probs be asking Tremmers to be warming up, but he seems right of form, and i think he is carrying a niggle.  It could come off having him in the side as he is a potentially matchwinning bowler yet the Aussie batsmen could tear him apart, leaving deeper scars on a bloke who deffinately has a future.  I therefore think it should be "Stand up Lewey your time has (finally) come".  The bloke is not a world beater but I think his dogged consistancy and experience (although extrmely limited internationally) is what we need.  We've seen what a bit of consistancy caqn do with Flintoff and McGrath this series.  Lewis is also preferable to Tremlett in the fact that he can make the ball move, which is a necessity on the Oval pitch as it won't do you any favours at all!

Obviously, I'd rather Jones was fit . . . .

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Rumour ive heard is that Mr Caddick may be getting a recall.

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Rumour ive heard is that Mr Caddick may be getting a recall.

yeah i read that on TMS foum, but there is no chance. 1, he's the past, this england team is about the future as was shown with Pietersen over thorpe and 2, he's not really performing at the moment so why even consider him! His record against the Aussies is schocking anyway.

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Read the article on the BEEB site that says Jones is spending 2 hours a day in an oxegen chamber to try and advance the heeling.

If you ask me its a risky game to chance him. You only have to look at GMG in the third test where he was no where near fit.

It'll be a tough call and personally I think Collingwood may get the shout for a tad more experience...

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Hmm, Caddick. Great in his time. I'd be surprised if he was recalled. But for one game it probably wouldn't be an issue that he is old. It would be a temporary retrograde step, but England have done this before - e.g. Brearley in 1981.

There has to be more talent out there. I wouldn't want to replace our quality swinger with an off spinner like Collingwood. Maybe Chris Tremlett can make the step up, and show us what he's capable of.

As for the rain. Well, of course I would welcome it. But it would be a most unsatisfactory way to decide the outcome of a fantastic series.

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As for the rain.  Well, of course I would welcome it.  But it would be a most unsatisfactory way to decide the outcome of a fantastic series.

I think the Aussies winning the last test and thus retaining the ashes would also be unsatisfactory for me. They don't deserve to scrape home after being outplayed for the last 3 tests!

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There has to be more talent out there.  I wouldn't want to replace our quality swinger with an off spinner like Collingwood.  Maybe Chris Tremlett can make the step up, and show us what he's capable of. 

Hmmm . . . well Collingwood isn't an off spinner, he bowls medium pace, but on a slightly different note, England will need a 2nd spinner for the Pakistani tour. Batty, Dawson et al have shown that they aren't test quality. Graham Swan is on form for Northants and he's a more than useful batsman too. But we still really need to breed some more spinners, we are lagging behind virtually every one of the better test playing nations.

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In his last Test vs Australia in 2003 he took ten wickets, and over his Ashes career he managed to dismiss Steve Waugh ten times.

Obviously a shocking record vs Australia!

Well you make a good point, but 1. he is way past his best in my opinion (as a somerset fan you're probs better informed than me on his recent form) as his county avge is about 30 this year and he is in the lower teir in each league and 2. apart from this match, doesn't he average about 40 vs the Aussies?

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Oh dear god

Anderson in South Africa was a broken man. If he's recovered to that form he showed in about 1 series so long ago i can't actually remember when then maybe.

Lengthen the batting we're playing for a draw people.

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Lengthen the batting we're playing for a draw people.

Don't you think that's just asking for trouble though? Seen as we're on a football website I'l use a football analergy (sp?) remember the WC (World cup, not Water Closet . . .) last sumer vs France? We scored early on and sat back on the lead with a deep defensive line, it was invevitable France were going to equalise sometime and then they did and not only that, went on to score a winner. I think we have to aim to win the test and that means taking 20 Aussie wickets. For that, I don't think we can sacrifie a bowler for as Blowers would say "a bit's and pieces cricketer"

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No i'm not talking about a Anthony (anyone mentions Rougier and i'll kill them) McGrath or someone like that i mean a specialist batsman.

I'm still not happy with our batting. Vaughn looks frightened every time he bats and Bell doesn't do it consistantly. Pieterson plays the odd dodgy shot then Flintoff and Jones have an average of just over thirty. The tail are so poor.

If we had lost the toss last match i think we would have lost. If Ponting had put Aus into bat we would have lost "the greatest test ever"

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Oh dear god

Anderson in South Africa was a broken man. If he's recovered to that form he showed in about 1 series so long ago i can't actually remember when then maybe.

Lengthen the batting we're playing for a draw people.

Harmison in South Africa was a broken man! He has had a very good series this time round, and the same could happen to Anderson. Underneath it all, he is still a very good bowler.

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I'm still not happy with our batting. Vaughn looks frightened every time he bats and Bell doesn't do it consistantly. Pieterson plays the odd dodgy shot then Flintoff and Jones have an average of just over thirty. The tail are so poor.

We've scored 400 plus in the first innings in the last 3 matches. End of argument.

If we had lost the toss last match i think we would have lost. If Ponting had put Aus into bat we would have lost "the greatest test ever"

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Well you make a good point, but 1. he is way past his best in my opinion (as a somerset fan you're probs better informed than me on his recent form) as his county avge is about 30 this year and he is in the lower teir in each league and 2. apart from this match, doesn't he average about 40 vs the Aussies?

I wasn't advocating a return for Caddy, but just thought your initial statement was a bit harsh on the big man. When he is in the mood he is still a top bowler (see the T20 final as an example) and if England want to go for pace (albeit slowing) then he'd have to be one of the names to consider. His overall average is 40 but I'm guessing that if you took the figure from when him and Gough were opening the bowling then it would be much more respectful.

Personally I'd go with Collingwood to add a bit of length to the batting just incase. Assuming Harmison and Flintoff remain fit then his bowling is good enough to hold up an end and give them sufficient rest.

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We've scored 400 plus in the first innings in the last 3 matches. End of argument.

If my auntie had ******** she'd be my uncle.

155 and 180 at lords

182 second innings in Edgbaston

flat track on Old Trafford but we did cope with an Awful aus attack there well.

129-7 in the last innings in Trent Bridge. reopens arguement with original points still valid

good second point...

We don't win when McGrath plays. In the one game McGrath was fit we were thrashed. He'll play with Tait and Lee and Warne and we'll lose if the toss goes against us.

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