Tinnion To Play For Cheltenham Reserves

[scarz3]

http://www.cheltenhamtownfc.premiumtv.co.u...0.html?ptvParm=

[Jay]

http://www.cheltenhamtownfc.premiumtv.co.u...0.html?ptvParm=

Well I Never! The article makes it look as though he's doing it in order to maintain fitness. Is he really looking to get back in to playing full time?

[fRed]

He's still on our books, so is he technically on loan?

[cider head]

Good luck to him

[Rocky]

Good luck to him

Seconded

[Guest Frank]

The odds on us getting Cheltenham in the FA cup 1st round have just shortened considerably.

[Jay]

The odds on us getting Cheltenham in the FA cup 1st round have just shortened considerably.

City 0-1 Cheltenham (Tinnion - pen)?

[Cider Army]

I don't care who hes playing for!look at the wasters hes put in are club i say no more!!!!!!

[Alex_BCFC]

I don't care who hes playing for!look at the wasters hes put in are club i say no more!!!!!!

What Brooker and Heywood? Terrible. Brought through Cotteril, Lita, Skuse. Bought good footballers in like Partridge and Brown, even though they need to sort themselves out a bit. He wasn't a good amanger but he did some good things. Some people have a poor memory of what he did for BCFC in his playing days. Was dumped in at the deep end and unfortuantely failed.

[Keepers Ball]

I don't care who hes playing for!look at the wasters hes put in are club i say no more!!!!!!

Stick to Apple Dunking farmer Boy

[Cider Army]

What Brooker and Heywood? Terrible. Brought through Cotteril, Lita, Skuse. Bought good footballers in like Partridge and Brown, even though they need to sort themselves out a bit. He wasn't a good amanger but he did some good things. Some people have a poor memory of what he did for BCFC in his playing days. Was dumped in at the deep end and unfortuantely failed.

Well 4 of those players you have metioned have been arrested within the last year,I'm sorry to say but he left the club in poor state.

Players are unfit,very unbalanced squad.

Yes he played for club for a for few years,but he went about getting the job in the wrong way,

Now johnson has to reshaped the squad bring in new players which we thought wouldnt need to be done,

So in my view personally i don't care where hes playing ive moved on and now looking forward in the johnson era and i feel the club will have a more professional feel about the place than it did under tinnion.

[Alex_BCFC]

Well 4 of those players you have metioned have been arrested within the last year,I'm sorry to say but he left the club in poor state.

Players are unfit,very unbalanced squad.

Yes he played for club for a for few years,but he went about getting the job in the wrong way,

Now johnson has to reshaped the squad bring in new players which we thought wouldnt need to be done,

So in my view personally i don't care where hes playing ive moved on and now looking forward in the johnson era and i feel the club will have a more professional feel about the place than it did under tinnion.

I'm not saying he did well but he did some good things- (Lita especially) and to say he brought in wasters is absolute crap. apart from those I've mentioned, Keogh is a promising player who should have been in the team last night instead of Fortune. Also Russell may well turn out to be a superb purchase if he can get fit soon. Yes, some players have been arrested lately but Johnson will sort it out and they will turn out to be good buys by Tinnion. The main problems with Tinnion was that he didn't know his best team or where to play some of the players. He also didn't spot that we had no one on the left! How did he go about getting the job the wrong way?! He put in for it, surely?! He didn't go in there and put a gun to anyone's head! You can move on- fair enough. We have a better manager.

[Guest Barneyredballs]

Do they have schools in Sreet as your English it terrible.

[Guest Danzinio]

He played Full 90mins so he still got the Skills

[Downend2005]

Do they have schools in Sreet as your English it terrible.

ahem.

oh and by the way, that applies to the majority of posters on here.

[England]

Cheltenham reserves - yep sounds about right, shame he didn't consider it a few months ago

[Guest Barneyredballs]

[Rocky]

They drew 1-1 and Tins played the full 90 out wide on the LEFT

[Guest harveythompson]

I don't care who hes playing for!look at the wasters hes put in are club i say no more!!!!!!

Another idiot, keep it shut mate if you don't have anything positive to say. The man made some good signings when he was chucked in at the deep end.

[England]

Another idiot, keep it shut mate if you don't have anything positive to say. The man made some good signings when he was chucked in at the deep end.

Ooooo another one who thinks he's a moderator/censor - this is a forum where anyone can express their views

[Guest harveythompson]

Ooooo another one who thinks he's a moderator/censor - this is a forum where anyone can express their views

Ohhhh another one who think he is funny. I'm hardly trying to be a moderator i am just saying that tinman made some good signings.

[England]

Ohhhh another one who think he is funny. I'm hardly trying to be a moderator i am just saying that tinman made some good signings.

"Another idiot, keep it shut mate if you don't have anything positive to say"

Doesn't sound like that to me

[Guest Dorito]

AlexBCFC -

Keogh is a promising player who should have been in the team last night instead of Fortune. Also Russell may well turn out to be a superb purchase if he can get fit soon

The evidence is that Keough is not rated highly by GJ - he will bring anyone in on loan to play at CB instead of him. Your statement about Russell is just nonsensical. The hard truth is that Tins was not a good manager. This is borne out by the evidence of the results he achieved. He left GJ an average squad with some glaring holes: left back, left mid, pace up front. Need I go on!

[Alex_BCFC]

AlexBCFC -

The evidence is that Keough is not rated highly by GJ - he will bring anyone in on loan to play at CB instead of him. Your statement about Russell is just nonsensical. The hard truth is that Tins was not a good manager. This is borne out by the evidence of the results he achieved. He left GJ an average squad with some glaring holes: left back, left mid, pace up front. Need I go on!

Keogh is rated by Johnson but he is not 'ready' yet. He played very well at Forest and also in one of the home games he played. He is only 18 I believe so give him time. Why is my statement about Russell- 'nonsensical'?! He may well turn out to be a good purchase- how is that nonsensical?! It may well be the truth.

I have said Tinnion wasn't a good manager, but he did bring in some good players and brought on the youth players.

[Guest Dorito]

Keogh is rated by Johnson but he is not 'ready' yet. He played very well at Forest and also in one of the home games he played. He is only 18 I believe so give him time. Why is my statement about Russell- 'nonsensical'?! He may well turn out to be a good purchase- how is that nonsensical?! It may well be the truth.

I have said Tinnion wasn't a good manager, but he did bring in some good players and brought on the youth players.

If GJ does rate Keough then why does he bring in younger and less experianced players on loan to play in his position? In the case of the latest loanee the guy is not even a CB but a LB! Actions speak louder than words and the evidence suggests that GJ does rate Keogh highly.

You were highlighting the signing of Russell of a good piece of business by Tins by saying he may turn out to be fantastic. He is just as likely to turn out to be long term injuried/average so using this signing as evidence of good work by Tins is nonsensical.

I am all for the academy but in my opinion Tins brought in too many young players too early. I would cite Goldbourne as an example of this.

What good players did Tins bring in?

[Alex_BCFC]

If GJ does rate Keough then why does he bring in younger and less experianced players on loan to play in his position? In the case of the latest loanee the guy is not even a CB but a LB! Actions speak louder than words and the evidence suggests that GJ does rate Keogh highly.

You were highlighting the signing of Russell of a good piece of business by Tins by saying he may turn out to be fantastic. He is just as likely to turn out to be long term injuried/average so using this signing as evidence of good work by Tins is nonsensical.

I am all for the academy but in my opinion Tins brought in too many young players too early. I would cite Goldbourne as an example of this.

What good players did Tins bring in?

Keogh is 18 and will get his chance. I reckon he will turn out to be very useful as he is a ball winner and strong. Just because we have other players in doesn't mean Johnson doesn't rate him but more that Keogh isn't ready to be thrown into the deep end week in week out. Also, I never said that Johnson rated him 'highly'. I'm sorry, but how is 20 younger than 18. Both Charlton players are older and are rated highly by Charlton. They are also providing cover for Partridge and Heywood.

The signing of Russell was a decent purchase if popular opinion of Torquay fans and other team's fans is anything to go by. The fact that he has been injured is unlucky, especially as he has never been seriously injured before I don't think- though I will check it out.

Yes he brought in some players too soon like Golbourne, who did play quite well last season when given the chance, and I have said he wasn't the best manager.

What good players?

Brooker, Heywood, Brown, Partridge (they are good players regardless of recent incidents) and even Orr has done well at right back finally. Marcus Stewart can't really be classed as a Tinnion signing as he wanted to come but no one was moaning at the time. Grant Smith hasn't been given a chance in his preferred position yet so we can't really judge him yet. This is also true of Bridges who hasn't started many games. As I look at, the only really bad purchases were Jamie Smith and Tony Dinning.

[Dan Of The Dolman]

i still think that Tinnion could do a job in midfield for us. We don't have a player at the moment who can play that killer ball through and it shows. I would have him in my starting eleven!

[Guest Dorito]

Both Charlton players are older and are rated highly by Charlton. They are also providing cover for Partridge and Heywood.

This is Keoughs job! He is even behind Fortune in GJ's selections......

What good players?

Brooker, Heywood, Brown, Partridge (they are good players regardless of recent incidents) and even Orr has done well at right back finally. Marcus Stewart can't really be classed as a Tinnion signing as he wanted to come but no one was moaning at the time. Grant Smith hasn't been given a chance in his preferred position yet so we can't really judge him yet. This is also true of Bridges who hasn't started many games. As I look at, the only really bad purchases were Jamie Smith and Tony Dinning.

Heywood is average. Partridge had a poor start and has picked up to average - I would expect more for the fee we paid. If you think Orr is a good player then we have to accept that our opinions will differ! The same can be said of both Smiths. Russel may have been good for Torquay but he is, basically, a 4th journeyman. I am not expecting him to be the messiah. Brooker I like and Brown shows good promise.

I am speaking about facts and the performances I have seen so far not my future hopes and expectations.

[Alex_BCFC]

This is Keoughs job! He is even behind Fortune in GJ's selections......

Heywood is average. Partridge had a poor start and has picked up to average - I would expect more for the fee we paid. If you think Orr is a good player then we have to accept that our opinions will differ! The same can be said of both Smiths. Russel may have been good for Torquay but he is, basically, a 4th journeyman. I am not expecting him to be the messiah. Brooker I like and Brown shows good promise.

I am speaking about facts and the performances I have seen so far not my future hopes and expectations.

One of the only mistakes I think Johnson has made is putting Fortune infront of Keogh! Even good managers make mistakes...as Johnson found out from Fortune on Tuesday night.

Heywood has been better than average and in the 8 games he has played we have only conceeded 7 goals while he has been on the pitch! I'm willing to bet that he has the best games to goals conceeded ratio of the defenders by quite some way ! If he had been fit we certainly wouldn't have lost 7-1 to Swansea, a game where Keogh was our best defender by far, which says a lot! He makes a big difference at the back, especially when you look at the games he has missed. Perhaps if he was playing instead of Fortune in both the Barnet games we would have been going through in at least one game if not two. I have seen every game except Barnet away and Heywood has been exactly what we wanted- a big centre back that can head the ball away. He isn't fast or a good passer but he doesn't pretend to be.

Partridge has had a poor start but since Johnson came in he has been good, and 3 goals conceeded from 3 games is not bad, especially when you have Woodman playing in your defence with you. Orr is good at right back, but I accept that Tinnion got it wrong when he signed him as a midfielder.

I'm not expecting Russell to be a messiah either, I never made him out to be and nor did anyone else. But what he shoudl bring is some much needed experience in the middle of the park. I don't accept your point about him being a 4th division journeyman either if that is what you meant. He did well by alla ccounts in this league last year and wanted to leave Torquay to avoid playing in the 4th division again. Surely that shows that he isn't. Also, Tinnion played in the 3rd division for most of his career and I wouldn't have called him a 3rd division joureyman as he was clearly better than this but showed loyalty(though perhaps he could have shown more ambition).

As for the two Smith's I have already said that Jamie was a poor signing. We can't tell with Grant Smith as he hasn't played in his proper position yet.

You say you are talking about facts- how is saying Heywood is average a fact?! A fact would be that he has conceeded less goals than games he has been in. And the analysis of that would be that he is a decent defender surely?

[Guest Dorito]

Orr is good at right back

Orr has had one good game at right back. He still can't pass and his first touch is poor.

I don't accept your point about Russsell him being a 4th division journeyman either

Where has he spent the majority of his career then?

Tinnion played in the 3rd division for most of his career and I wouldn't have called him a 3rd division joureyman as he was clearly better than this but showed loyalty(though perhaps he could have shown more ambition).

I may be wrong but I never heard of any serious bids from higher level clubs? The fact is that he spent most of his career in the 3rd division. Lack of pace and a right foot stopped him playing at a higher level it was not by choice.

We can't tell with Grant Smith as he hasn't played in his proper position yet.

I feel that if he had any real quality it would have shown up in training and he would be starting games by now. If not at least being given 20 minutes as a sub.

You say you are talking about facts- how is saying Heywood is average a fact?!

Another player that has spent the majority of his career in the 3rd division. Therefore I conclude an average 3rd division defender.

Their are exceptions to the rule but the cream generally rises to the top!

[Alex_BCFC]

Orr has had one good game at right back. He still can't pass and his first touch is poor.

Where has he spent the majority of his career then?

I may be wrong but I never heard of any serious bids from higher level clubs? The fact is that he spent most of his career in the 3rd division. Lack of pace and a right foot stopped him playing at a higher level it was not by choice.

I feel that if he had any real quality it would have shown up in training and he would be starting games by now. If not at least being given 20 minutes as a sub.

Another player that has spent the majority of his career in the 3rd division. Therefore I conclude an average 3rd division defender.

Their are exceptions to the rule but the cream generally rises to the top!

Orr has had numerous decent games at right back. Last season he played well there at Chesterfield and Swindon. This season he has done well in two of the three games he played there and OK in the other. At Brentford he was superb, and got MOM against Barnsley. At least he is prepared to work hard, whereas Carey is not.

Alex Russell hasn't spent most of his career in the 4th division but some of it. He was with Cambridge in our league for 3 seasons and has of course played with Torquay in this league too.

No-one came in for Tinnion but even though we got relegated from the 2nd division he was clearly good enough to play in that league as he was one of our better players and almost helped us survive when we won 3 on the spin. I'm sure if Tinnion wanted a move he could have got his agent to help him ala Lita but he was loyal- something I respect. Sadly we didn't carry on that form and our defence was so bad that season after we never replace Shaun Taylor.

If Grant Smith is so bad how did he score 10 goals from 33 in midfield last season? When he is given a chance in central midfield then we can judge him. Training has nothing to do with it, especially as I'm willing ot bet you haven't been to any training sessions and can't see how he is playing there. Also training is not exactly the real thing is it? What has been disapointing from Grant Smith is his delivery of set pieces. He stated when he came that he is not a left winger but can do a 'job' out there. of course Tinnion just stuck him out there and he was poor.

From the performances seen and the goals we have conceeded, I can only conlude Heywood is better than average in this league. He is solid, reliable and we miss him at the moment. He may not able to cut it in higher leagues but he is exactly what you need in this league. Just a shame he isn't supported by those around him (Woodman and Carey notably).

[Guest Dorito]

Orr has had numerous decent games at right back. Last season he played well there at Chesterfield and Swindon. This season he has done well in two of the three games he played there and OK in the other. At Brentford he was superb, and got MOM against Barnsley. At least he is prepared to work hard, whereas Carey is not.

We will have to agree to disagree about this player. He may of had a superb game by his standards but this is a low level at which to set the bar! He is not fit to lace the boots or Bell, Bernard or Brennan.

Alex Russell hasn't spent most of his career in the 4th division but some of it. He was with Cambridge in our league for 3 seasons and has of course played with Torquay in this league too.

Fact: Alex Russell has spent the majority of his football career playing at the lowest level in English football. He may turn out to a good player he may not.

No-one came in for Tinnion but even though we got relegated from the 2nd division he was clearly good enough to play in that league as he was one of our better players and almost helped us survive when we won 3 on the spin. I'm sure if Tinnion wanted a move he could have got his agent to help him ala Lita but he was loyal- something I respect.

What are the similarities between Lita and Tins? No one came in for Tins becuase he was 'in their eyes' not good enough or not worth the fee. (Think he was tranfer listed after the spitting incident?)

If Grant Smith is so bad how did he score 10 goals from 33 in midfield last season? When he is given a chance in central midfield then we can judge him. Training has nothing to do with it, especially as I'm willing ot bet you haven't been to any training sessions and can't see how he is playing there.

Training and reserve games are where the players who are not in the team show the manager what they can do.

From the performances seen and the goals we have conceeded, I can only conlude Heywood is better than average in this league. He is solid, reliable and we miss him at the moment. He may not able to cut it in higher leagues but he is exactly what you need in this league. Just a shame he isn't supported by those around him (Woodman and Carey notably).

As I said I feel he is an average defender in this league. Almost all teams have a 'big lump' who can head the ball.

I think that you view our squad through rose tinted glasses. We should be getting out of the league and I'm not sure that this squad has what it takes. Most of the squad are average and this is why we are in a lowly league position. I am confident that GJ will sort it out though.

[Alex_BCFC]

We will have to agree to disagree about this player. He may of had a superb game by his standards but this is a low level at which to set the bar! He is not fit to lace the boots or Bell, Bernard or Brennan.

Fact: Alex Russell has spent the majority of his football career playing at the lowest level in English football. He may turn out to a good player he may not.

What are the similarities between Lita and Tins? No one came in for Tins becuase he was 'in their eyes' not good enough or not worth the fee. (Think he was tranfer listed after the spitting incident?)

Training and reserve games are where the players who are not in the team show the manager what they can do.

As I said I feel he is an average defender in this league. Almost all teams have a 'big lump' who can head the ball.

I think that you view our squad through rose tinted glasses. We should be getting out of the league and I'm not sure that this squad has what it takes. Most of the squad are average and this is why we are in a lowly league position. I am confident that GJ will sort it out though.

Your opinion is fair enough on Orr. I think he is a good right back in this league, and will get better as he plays more there. I'm not sure why you compared him to three left backs though?

I haven't found out the exact figures for Russell but he has played a simliar amount of seasons in this league as the league below. If someone could let me know that'd be good. When he was signed I could see him doing a similar thing to what McAllister did at Liverpool. Add experience to the side, with a bit of class. He played for Covertry most of his life, though I'm sure he could have moved to a higher club before he did. I don't think many people expected him to do this at his age etc. I know it's a different league/ player etc but thats just how I see it. We miss experience in midfield, that's for sure, although that isn't where our worst problems are at the moment.

I agree that training is an excellent opportunity to show the manager, but the manager has only been with us a few weeks. He is learning how good or bad the squad/players are. This may be one reasons why Fortune has been getting in over Keogh. Training is not the end of the world and I would like to see G.Smith given a chance in the centre of midfield before I can judge him properley. A player that scores 10 goals in 33 games from this position is worth looking at.

I don't remember Tinnion ever being on the transfer list but if he had wanted to play in division 2 instead of us after we got relegated he wouldn't have had a problem doing so I reckon.

I agree that a lot of the squad isn't quite good enough. For me, Fortune, Carey, Woodman, Murray, J.Smith are players that I wouldn't be using too much if I could help it. The rest of them are good enough to be challenging for the top 6. When you look at Phillips, Heywood, Partridge, Wilkshire, Brooker, we have a good spine, especially if Phillips carries on improving like he has done in the last few games. Players like Brown, Cotteril and Skuse are coming up nicely and I don't think we are far away from having a decent squad. Get Russell back, a decent left left back and winger, and we will be close. In theory players like Stewart and Bridges should be doing better as well. I don't think I have 'rose-tinted specs'. I predicted 4/5th at the start of the season and still think we will be there at the end.