rumbellow Posted October 22, 2005 Report Share Posted October 22, 2005 Stortfordred has posted on the SL forum asking whether players can be tested at training for alcohol.I think this is a great idea for 2 reasons, 1)As our overpaid, under achieving professional boozers obviously can't be trusted to stay off the lash (when oredered not to) and 2)Perhaps when one or two of them arrive in their fast cars and are still over the limit from the night before (they might think twice) although I doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robins72 Posted October 22, 2005 Report Share Posted October 22, 2005 I didnt think random ones were allowed thought thats why Chelsea had a problem but maybe I'm mistaken?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumbellow Posted October 22, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2005 I didnt think random ones were allowed thought thats why Chelsea had a problem but maybe I'm mistaken??I think you'll find that's drugs testing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robins72 Posted October 22, 2005 Report Share Posted October 22, 2005 I think you'll find that's drugs testing.Thanks for that I wasnt sure whether I was right or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Boy Posted October 22, 2005 Report Share Posted October 22, 2005 Surely though alcohol testing is drug testing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robins72 Posted October 22, 2005 Report Share Posted October 22, 2005 You would think so as alcohol is a drug of sorts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumbellow Posted October 22, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2005 Surely though alcohol testing is drug testing?I suppose your being clever and telling me alcohol is a drug, Thanks for that Blair was right education, education, education.However the tests are very different.Drugs = Urinealcohol = breath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimplyRed Posted October 22, 2005 Report Share Posted October 22, 2005 Well, we have random drugs and alcohol testing where I work, so there's no reason why the football industry can't do it.I think it would be a good idea for clubs to adopt this attitude, if they don't already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Boy Posted October 22, 2005 Report Share Posted October 22, 2005 OK having a dig just because I asked a question is a little harsh! All I'm asking is because they are both an invasion of a persons privicy (in a way maybe not for a sportsman) surely they go under the same jurisdiction? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted October 22, 2005 Report Share Posted October 22, 2005 I suppose your being clever and telling me alcohol is a drug, Thanks for that Blair was right education, education, education.However the tests are very different.Drugs = Urinealcohol = breathAlthough both can be conducted with a blood test.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted October 22, 2005 Report Share Posted October 22, 2005 Alcohol is metabolised by the body at 1 unit per hour regardless of your size or constitution - so if you have 8 pints of regular lager that equals approx 16 units.That means it will take the body 16 hours to be completely alcohol free.A 75cl bottle of most spirits contains 30 units - or approx 12-15 pints of Fosters.The driving limit of 0.35 breath alcohol is approx 4-6 units.You can work the rest out for yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumbellow Posted October 22, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2005 Although both can be conducted with a blood test....Can you imagine our spineless players consenting to a needle to take blood, They'd faint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MaloneFM Posted October 22, 2005 Report Share Posted October 22, 2005 Before we get into the chemistry of all this can I just add...fat chance.Do you really think a group of people that defend a manager that was unpopular, produce a badge that was unpopular, a shirt that was unpopular, try to sell bricks in a stand that isn't going to be built, send letters out to supporters telling them to sit down and shut up and still employ a failing unhygenic and costly catering service...will listen to you and say, for once, great idea-we'll do that!You will get a bland reply for Colin Sex. End of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted October 22, 2005 Report Share Posted October 22, 2005 Although both can be conducted with a blood test.... They can indeed - but it takes about 3-5 working days for the blood results to be returned which is why a breath test is the prefered option of testing alcohol levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MaloneFM Posted October 22, 2005 Report Share Posted October 22, 2005 They won't do it. They test Brooker before an important game and he is 5 times over the limit what will they do? Ban him? Fine him?I'm sure he'll renegotiate a contract after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumbellow Posted October 22, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2005 OK having a dig just because I asked a question is a little harsh! All I'm asking is because they are both an invasion of a persons privicy (in a way maybe not for a sportsman) surely they go under the same jurisdiction? Invasion of privacy...................................Even if they are over the limit............................Never thought of that............................Next time someone I know is done on a breathalyser, Appeal to the European court of human rights..............................Solicitors will love this loophole, Licence to print money or what.I know lets pay for drivers for all of our professional drinkers, Seems fair to me, Lets drive them all to drink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MaloneFM Posted October 22, 2005 Report Share Posted October 22, 2005 Calm Rumbers old stick. Not an invasion of privacy but probably against the contract terms they are on under City. They are allowed to be randomly tested by an FA official or represenataive after a game but the club testing them for booze is against the express terms of ther contract or employment and they can refuse.They won't do it anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Boy Posted October 22, 2005 Report Share Posted October 22, 2005 Why is it when we lose a game you cannot even ask a question without getting your head bitten off!! Its not like I was out to prove you wrong rumbellow, just to ask a question! The club are not the police so you can't apply the same laws to it I'd imagine. Though working for a company that doesn't do random tests I havn't got a clue what the rules would be for an employer to employee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumbellow Posted October 22, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2005 They won't do it. They test Brooker before an important game and he is 5 times over the limit what will they do? Ban him? Fine him?I'm sure he'll renegotiate a contract after that.of course they won't do it Rog, Frightened of the results, Rather than them take the P*** out of the players for testing, They'd rather that the players continue to take the P*** out of us, With their behaviour and fitness levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoops Posted October 22, 2005 Report Share Posted October 22, 2005 You would think so as alcohol is a drug of sorts.If it is I'm phooked! Ya twisting me melon man! Call the cops! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted October 22, 2005 Report Share Posted October 22, 2005 Alcohol is a drug! What else could it be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MaloneFM Posted October 22, 2005 Report Share Posted October 22, 2005 Frankly the clubs attitude to us of late has been poor to downright bloody ignorant.A shirt we didn't want, a badge we didn't want, a stand we don't want built which won't be filled and which isn't being built now with bricks we didn't buy.And to top it all players who get drunk and fight-with us-while the club fine them and when we vote for which charity should get the money they have earmarked as wages.They won't do it. Even to try to claw back a bit of respect. So don't suggest anything. No one is listening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumbellow Posted October 22, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2005 Why is it when we lose a game you cannot even ask a question without getting your head bitten off!! Its not like I was out to prove you wrong rumbellow, just to ask a question! The club are not the police so you can't apply the same laws to it I'd imagine. Though working for a company that doesn't do random tests I havn't got a clue what the rules would be for an employer to employee. OK point taken, But, Carefully read robboreds post re-levels of blood alcohol and tell me hand on heart that after a BCFC burberry night out, That they are safe to train let alone drive the next day or possibly even the day after and thats the law of the land. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MaloneFM Posted October 22, 2005 Report Share Posted October 22, 2005 Personally I don't know the players or their habits on the night before training (legal disclaimer there) so I cant possibly comment on how much they drink and drive.However.If sufficient time hasn't elapsed between the last drinkn and driving to traning the next day (if ever) they would be over the limit for driving. This is a matter for the Police.If the club introduce alcohol testing at traning it would mean renegotiating all the contracts to include it. Which means talking to agents and employment solicitors.They won't do it anyway. Read above post regarding Brookers possible ban. And if they won't sort out the catering-they certainly won't do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Boy Posted October 22, 2005 Report Share Posted October 22, 2005 Got to agree with Malone on this one, there is no way the club would actualy introduce this as it would be too much hassell, alot of money would be involved I would imagine.But I'll tell you what, it would sure as hell give the players a kick up the jacksie! Can you imagine if Peacock was still here and the club was allowed to test? he would probably have rather moved than carried on playing and if the drinking culture is to be ridden then I think it is going to take something drastic like this!In favour of it 100% as it would really show up the professionals from the pi55 takers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumbellow Posted October 22, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2005 Got to agree with Malone on this one, there is no way the club would actualy introduce this as it would be too much hassell, alot of money would be involved I would imagine.But I'll tell you what, it would sure as hell give the players a kick up the jacksie! Can you imagine if Peacock was still here and the club was allowed to test? he would probably have rather moved than carried on playing and if the drinking culture is to be ridden then I think it is going to take something drastic like this!In favour of it 100% as it would really show up the professionals from the pi55 takers! I also agree with Malone, I know it won't happen, Dosen't stop it being a morally good idea and more importantly as the question is being asked on SL forum, Let's hear this from the horses mouth. The cost implication is low, Pubs and clubs have machines that test breath/alcohol content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimplyRed Posted October 22, 2005 Report Share Posted October 22, 2005 If the club introduce alcohol testing at traning it would mean renegotiating all the contracts to include it. Which means talking to agents and employment solicitors.What makes you so sure that this is not already in City's standard terms of a playing contract? If their lawyers were worth their salt, surely a club would have clauses about alcohol and drug abuse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo Posted October 22, 2005 Report Share Posted October 22, 2005 They already do it. A few player can be seen teasting alcohol in the town center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MaloneFM Posted October 23, 2005 Report Share Posted October 23, 2005 What makes you so sure that this is not already in City's standard terms of a playing contract? If their lawyers were worth their salt, surely a club would have clauses about alcohol and drug abuse? and if the agents were worth theirs we'd have no one playing for us would we? They have clauses about not riding motorcycles but not concerning drinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimplyRed Posted October 23, 2005 Report Share Posted October 23, 2005 and if the agents were worth theirs we'd have no one playing for us would we? They have clauses about not riding motorcycles but not concerning drinking.But how do you know this? Are you party to players contracts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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