Red Robin Posted November 3, 2003 Report Share Posted November 3, 2003 Its quite simple guys we fluffed up at the end of last season when really promotion was there for the taking. We are fluffing up this season big time. Please open your eyes what we are seeing is alfull apart from QPR away bits agaist Southampton we are a pale shadow of the side from the majority of last season. Steve Landsdown and co have to sort it now beforeit is to late. At present mid table beckons and another season in this dire division. If we cant escape this season how the hell are we ever going to do it. Answers please I would gladly like to be made aware. :sport5: :sport5: :sport5: :sport5: :sport5: :sport5: :sport5: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted November 3, 2003 Report Share Posted November 3, 2003 Why do you have to shout??? And why do you bring up a thread thats been done to death loads of times? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Neo Posted November 3, 2003 Report Share Posted November 3, 2003 For a minute there, I thought my screen had suddenly gone back to 1979. That is some serious retro-font. I'm off to the loft to dig out my dot-matrix printer and my Atari. I also have a hampering for a game of Ker-Plunk! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lita For Congo Posted November 3, 2003 Report Share Posted November 3, 2003 YEH! WHAT AN IDEA! Lets give away £1.5-2million to Wilson, making us not able to sign anyone for another 2 summers and putting us deeper in the financial struggle. Please, use your brain. The only way we should sack Wilson is if we fail to get Promotion unless we get to the Play-off Finals say. The only way Wilson will go before May, is if another team takes him away in my view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhatWill Posted November 3, 2003 Report Share Posted November 3, 2003 Probably the most pointless, uneducated post I have seen on this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
openEnd Posted November 3, 2003 Report Share Posted November 3, 2003 =The only way we should sack Wilson is if we fail to get Promotion unless we get to the Play-off Finals say. Absolutely priceless So for arguments sake we reach the playoffs? (which if you are anywhere near this stratosphere and not the one of planet zog) AINT going to HAPPEN, if we don't take some action NOW but I'll assume we do for this point We make the playoffs (Gawd knows how) We then miss out again...are you actually suggesting that would be enough to save Wilson and classed as satisfactory? Delusion of the highest order, fool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lita For Congo Posted November 3, 2003 Report Share Posted November 3, 2003 Absolutely priceless So for arguments sake we reach the playoffs? (which if you are anywhere near this stratosphere and not the one of planet zog) AINT going to HAPPEN, if we don't take some action NOW but I'll assume we do for this point We make the playoffs (Gawd knows how) We then miss out again...are you actually suggesting that would be enough to save Wilson and classed as satisfactory? Delusion of the highest order, fool heh we don't look like we will finish in the play offs but i said, if we get to the playoff finals as, maybe its worth another season, if we look good near the end and to save us some money keep him in. I Know SteveL is going on about stability, but if we fail to get to the play-offs in the words of Del Trotter 'Bonjour!' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
openEnd Posted November 3, 2003 Report Share Posted November 3, 2003 Sounds like a great plan....NOT then what? can you see a pattern emerging? GROUNDHOG DAY !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted November 3, 2003 Report Share Posted November 3, 2003 Did someone mention the play-offs ?????!!!!! The only time we reached the play-offs under Danny Wilson was against Cardiff. We lost 0-1 away. At home Danny Wilson played our top goal scorer - Scott Murray - out of position on the left side of the park and not the right side where he'd scored his 26 goals from. If by some miracle we reach the play-offs this year I'm betting on Wilson playing Luke Wilkshire in goal and Phillips on the right wing. Expect to see Butler and Matt Hill leading our forward line with Tinman at left back. :Rage: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted November 3, 2003 Report Share Posted November 3, 2003 Sorry, I couldn't read the initial post as the text was slightly too small Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
openEnd Posted November 3, 2003 Report Share Posted November 3, 2003 Did someone mention the play-offs ?????!!!!! They sure did :Confused13: I was beginning to think I was logged in to the wrong forum? Playoffs? I wonder if they have thought of standup as a career move? Thankyou RedGoblin for providing a sense of REAL in the mirk of all happy clappy bunkum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc seattle Posted November 3, 2003 Report Share Posted November 3, 2003 Danny ain't going anywhere unless someone else hires him. I wonder if the board can let other clubs know they can have him without paying compensation. Not sure how you could let that out without showing absolutely no faith in Danny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted November 3, 2003 Report Share Posted November 3, 2003 Reply to openend I'm afraid the reality is that Danny Wilson manages BCFC. I was talking to a Sheff Weds supporter in the Ship and Castle prior to the Wednesday game. It's occurred to me that Danny Wilson could be going for getting his 3 year contract paid up by our gullible board of directors. The Sheff Weds fan told me that Wilson was paid to leave Wednesday with enough money to set him up very comfortably for life. I hope Wilson is not trying to play the same stunt on BCFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
openEnd Posted November 3, 2003 Report Share Posted November 3, 2003 I had a similar thought the other day. Posted on the subject Our remarkable drop in form has coincided with i) The Sale of Murray - well documented AND ii) Wilsons rolling year to year contract being upgraded to 3 years Smacks of complacency? Comfy Zone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted November 3, 2003 Report Share Posted November 3, 2003 Yet another reply to openend B) Danny Wilson does not have to do anything right with a 3 year contract behind him. If Wilson's sacked his contract's paid up, if he stays he's guaranteed money for 3 years. We've been done yet again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godzilla Posted November 3, 2003 Report Share Posted November 3, 2003 Did someone mention the play-offs ?????!!!!! The only time we reached the play-offs under Danny Wilson was against Cardiff. We lost 0-1 away. At home Danny Wilson played our top goal scorer - Scott Murray - out of position on the left side of the park and not the right side where he'd scored his 26 goals from. If by some miracle we reach the play-offs this year I'm betting on Wilson playing Luke Wilkshire in goal and Phillips on the right wing. Expect to see Butler and Matt Hill leading our forward line with Tinman at left back. :Rage: Now, I respect the fact that: 1. Your a City fanatic and 2. You Disslike Wilson with a passion BUT... Murray started on the right, and he moved to the left in order to allow Amankwaah's pace the freedom of the right wing, and to confuse Cardiff. We had pace on both flanks and as soon as he moved to the left we had a little bit more joy in opening them up. Wilson is tactically inept, true, but it's poor to critisise that particular move by him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted November 3, 2003 Report Share Posted November 3, 2003 Reply to Godzilla It was a cold evening for me sitting in the corner of the East End being blinded by the setting sun and having the Cardiff rendition of Zulu and Rorke's Drift booming in my ears. I distinctly remember Scott Murray with his hand in the air screaming for the ball on the left wing in the second half. No one passed the ball to Murray when the bloke looked really up for ripping the Cardiff defence apart and scoring. That was the last I saw of Murray in a BCFC shirt and I'm still angry now over Wilson and the board letting Murray go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godzilla Posted November 3, 2003 Report Share Posted November 3, 2003 Reply to Godzilla It was a cold evening for me sitting in the corner of the East End being blinded by the setting sun and having the Cardiff rendition of Zulu and Rorke's Drift booming in my ears. I distinctly remember Scott Murray with his hand in the air screaming for the ball on the left wing in the second half. No one passed the ball to Murray when the bloke looked really up for ripping the Cardiff defence apart and scoring. That was the last I saw of Murray in a BCFC shirt and I'm still angry now over Wilson and the board letting Murray go. If the players don't give him the ball, or he fails to get himself in the game, then Wilson can't be blamed for everything. PS. I can't believe I'm actually defending the idiot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhatWill Posted November 3, 2003 Report Share Posted November 3, 2003 So for arguments sake we reach the playoffs? (which if you are anywhere near this stratosphere and not the one of planet zog) AINT going to HAPPEN, if we don't take some action NOW but I'll assume we do for this point We make the playoffs (Gawd knows how) We then miss out again...are you actually suggesting that would be enough to save Wilson and classed as satisfactory? Delusion of the highest order, fool No, you're deluded. Thought you're posts contained some sense of competancy when you started but to say that we'll never make the play-offs! HA! We'll see my friend, but in the mean time I guess its kind of pointless you coming to support your club at AG right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest redrobinfc Posted November 4, 2003 Report Share Posted November 4, 2003 what position were we in this time last season. Its not evan xmas yet n your calling 4 dw head come on give the bloke a rest we only lost 3 games so far .Ok were playing poor but every team go through a bad spell at least give him till xmas n c what position we r in i honestly belive we will b in the top 6 by xmas remember football is a marathon not a sprint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimplyRed Posted November 4, 2003 Report Share Posted November 4, 2003 ...more sad, boring comments from angry people with nothing better to do than slag off the manager of the team they supposedly to support... YAWN :Sleep15: :Sleep12: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
openEnd Posted November 4, 2003 Report Share Posted November 4, 2003 Contrary to how I may be coming across in my posts. I care passionately about OUR club I HAVE nothing to gain from wanting to see us fail...the idea is rediculous You have to be mad to think that I'm enjoying feeling the way I do, or getting any sort of satisfaction with whats happening what position were we in this time last season In truth not too far different from that of today, and I admit that. That is not the issue. It is the manner of our league performances this season, which have on the whole been garbage (exceptions 45mins v Swindon and 45 mins v QPR) My discontent with the way our season is panning out is as follows We are not scoring goals, and the real worry is we haven't looked capable This time last season you say, ok... this season = 19 goals scored last season = 31 How many players were already well on the way to double figures? We looked dangerous, and likely to score at any moment. I felt ENTERTAINED Mansfield Away a perfect example Can you see us doing another Mansfield this season at the moment? That is the reason I am disillusioned, NOT because I need something to moan about as some have implied The fact is that the mere thought of another season in the wilderness fills me with dread and physical pain Thankyou Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Ian M Posted November 4, 2003 Admin Report Share Posted November 4, 2003 YEH! WHAT AN IDEA! Lets give away £1.5-2million to Wilson, making us not able to sign anyone for another 2 summers and putting us deeper in the financial struggle. Please, use your brain....... good idea........ Wilson has a little over 2.67 years to go on his present contract. A compensation figure of £1.5m-£2m (assuming he is paid for EVERY contracted day from now) would mean he's on £560k-£750k a year (or £10k-£15k a week!). Unlikely! Wilson is on closer to £200k a year (with bonuses tied in to take it to £250k if we go up) I believe which works out at around £667k compensation if we pay him up for his entire contract. Normally there'll be a clause built in (or compromise negotiated) whereby the parties agree to settle on an amount midway between the two datepoints. I therefore reckon compensation would be set at no more than £500k (and probably less). Often the argument is put up that "City can't afford to sack Wilson" but it is also worth investigating what exactly needs to occure to introduce the word 'not' between 'afford' and 'to' in the above statement. Principally, this would come from reduction in attendances resulting in loss of revenue from ticket prices which would also affect merchandising, catering, programme etc sales but I'll ignore these periphery incomes in the pursuit of achieveing a conservative estimate (ie biased towards keeping DW as my 'general view' is to get rid). I recall from a SteveL posting a year or so ago that after tax, differing prices for age-groups, season ticket prices etc, BCFC receive around £8.30 per bum-on-seat. Ignoring the price increases this season, I shall work with the above figure in the interests of conservatism. Cost of Wilson's compensation: £500k Number of tickets sold to recoup £500k = 60k Number of home games remaining under Wilson's contract: 60 (assuming 0 home cup-ties) Reduction in attendance per game required to make sacking Wilson cost effective: 1000 Last season's average crowd: 11,600 Current average crowd: 11,366 However, a simple reduction of crowds to 1000 less than last season's average would STILL only be 'borderline' cost effective as you're relying on the following season's crowds being the same. The truth is, they could be lower given lower expectation levels again or higher if in a following season we stumble across some good form/players/tactics. However, IF attendances start dropping into the 2000-3000 lower than last season's average (ie 8600-9600) bracket on a regular basis, I can see the current board members starting to 'fret' a little more at all the good work financially of recent seasons being undone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted November 4, 2003 Report Share Posted November 4, 2003 Madger the mathematician Good bit of Maths there Madger, your financial and crowd analysis seems spot on. There aint 'alf been some clever b*##ards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorset_Cider Posted November 4, 2003 Report Share Posted November 4, 2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksred Posted November 5, 2003 Report Share Posted November 5, 2003 good accounts reading, makes sense, Wilson OUT, PLEASE!! :Costumed19: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fct Posted November 5, 2003 Report Share Posted November 5, 2003 The whole point about Wilson is that when he first came to the club he introduced a better brand of football, the passing game and and after a slow start it caught on and city began to play some good games, beating good teams (remember Reading 4-0?). For the next couple of seasons City were improving year on year and last season looked one of the favourites to go up. They narrowly missed and people would assume City were one of the best bets to go up, based on their attacking ability and the never-say-die attitude that often snatched late winners. This seaosn i have not seen any of that. City have lost a huge amount of firepower and the ability to attack effectively. Also they are not scoring in the last few minutes as frequently and I wonder what Wilson can bring afresh to the situation. We all know that tactically he's inept. Everyone agrees on that. He plays players out of position, makes baffling substitutions and sends out teams that are tactically useless and naive at set-pieces. So to the current situation I believe he has used up everything positive he can bring to a team. I am not sure that he can add anything new of benefit. He is stubborn and refuses to listen to sound advice so I'm afraid we will be stuck with the man until his contract is at an end. By then we may well be in Peterborough's position. Or even Huddersfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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