mozo Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 One of my favourite recurring comments on this forum is that such-and-such wasn't given a chance by the manager.SO...who really wasn't given a chance at City??Michael Bridges?Marcus Stewart (ongoing!)?Scott Brown?Lee Peacock? Christian Roberts?Sean Dyche?Joe Burnell?Steve Phillips? Anyone feel that by the very fact that a manager sees the lad in training week in week out, plus reserve games, is enough to justify theuir team selections? Or are we assuming that managers are guilty of player prejudice?ALSO...what exactly is a fair chance? How many games should a player be given??Get me learned people!Edit: I personally feel that Jason Roberts wasn't given a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristolface Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 One of my favourite recurring comments on this forum is that such-and-such wasn't given a chance by the manager.SO...who really wasn't given a chance at City??Michael Bridges?Marcus Stewart (ongoing!)?Scott Brown?Lee Peacock? Christian Roberts?Sean Dyche?Joe Burnell?Steve Phillips? Anyone feel that by the very fact that a manager sees the lad in training week in week out, plus reserve games, is enough to justify theuir team selections? Or are we assuming that managers are guilty of player prejudice?ALSO...what exactly is a fair chance? How many games should a player be given??Get me learned people!Edit: I personally feel that Jason Roberts wasn't given a chance.Sean Dyche and Lee Peacock were given to much of a chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted August 10, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 Sean Dyche and Lee Peacock were given to much of a chanceFair point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meh Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 I wish Bridges was still here as an option.I think Roberts is now showing the necessary aptitude (sp?) after his problems, which presumably were in existence, but not noticed here (wonder why ). I think he may now get better and be a sought after player at this sort of level.Scott Brown deserves a run of a few games after his displays in the good spell at the end of last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddoh Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 One of my favourite recurring comments on this forum is that such-and-such wasn't given a chance by the manager.SO...who really wasn't given a chance at City??Michael Bridges?Marcus Stewart (ongoing!)?Scott Brown?Lee Peacock? Christian Roberts?Sean Dyche?Joe Burnell?Steve Phillips? Anyone feel that by the very fact that a manager sees the lad in training week in week out, plus reserve games, is enough to justify theuir team selections? Or are we assuming that managers are guilty of player prejudice?ALSO...what exactly is a fair chance? How many games should a player be given??Get me learned people!Edit: I personally feel that Jason Roberts wasn't given a chance.you will find that people will always have favourites it cant be helped. some you like some you hate ,as the french say thats life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagest Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 I think of the current squad Grant Smith is possibly the unluckiest.In recent history, I would have liked to have seen a little more of Marvin Brown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltshoveller Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 Apart from Bridgesthe one player i felt that was not given a chance wasROBIN HULBURTalso think that if he was here now would get a gameas he is a johnson type player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 Michael Bridges has been the biggest cardinal sin of recent times.In the little appearences he made for this club it was blatently obvious he was a class above. It should be remembered that he was not a permenant feature during Tinnions' tenure, however the out-casting, especially after his 'let me play plea' is one of the few major contentions I hold with Johnson. The man is class and although I was dissapointed to see him leave the club I felt (and do feel) that the performances and results of the team justify Johnson's decision to let him go. If he could have provided that creative spark in a GJ side is a different matter, but one that the manager had clearly made his mind up on.I was also always a fan of Stephen Gillespie, I do not feel he was given an adequate 'crack of the whip' either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted August 10, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 I was also always a fan of Stephen Gillespie, I do not feel he was given an adequate 'crack of the whip either.'Just to delve into the issue a little deeper young James, what would have been adequate and why do you think that a popular young player like Gillespie wasn't kept? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan_is_a_legend Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 One of my favourite recurring comments on this forum is that such-and-such wasn't given a chance by the manager.SO...who really wasn't given a chance at City??Michael Bridges?Marcus Stewart (ongoing!)?Scott Brown?Lee Peacock? Christian Roberts?Sean Dyche?Joe Burnell?Steve Phillips? Anyone feel that by the very fact that a manager sees the lad in training week in week out, plus reserve games, is enough to justify theuir team selections? Or are we assuming that managers are guilty of player prejudice?ALSO...what exactly is a fair chance? How many games should a player be given??Get me learned people!Edit: I personally feel that Jason Roberts wasn't given a chance.colin cramb and paul agostino were to often sat on the subs bench! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lita For Congo Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 Just to delve into the issue a little deeper young James, what would have been adequate and why do you think that a popular young player like Gillespie wasn't kept?I liked Gillespie, thought he had alot ot offer, although, he may of been a bad trainer so thats why he wasnt kept? Who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laner Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 I always thought we should have given Lee Miller a bit of a better run out too. Paid £300,000 odd for him when other 'larger' clubs wanted him too and then let him warm the bench nearly every week? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelbourneRed Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 Who was the striker we got from Notts County who was there top striker then hardly played? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfcchris2016 Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 another name who i thought was a really good player and scored vital goals for us when he was playing but amazingly was not given much of a chance and spent most of his time here on the bench was 12 year old Marc Goodfellow.suprised no-one has come up with his name, i rememebr a few city fans feeling a bit down for him when he left us. though having said that, he has not doen a lot since he has left us and is now playing at Bury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinC Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 Who was the striker we got from Notts County who was there top striker then hardly played?You mean the player who went to Doncaster and started scoring goals for fun and helped them achieve a decent cup run? Can't remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BristolCity1992 Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 I was a massive fan of Gilly really thought and still do think that he could have been a great prospect for us this season as we have no one like him.Hulbert is a good shout but for me it is Simon Clist never got that run that he deserved and then Wilson took a disliking to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twaters Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 The No chancersStewart(atm) Bridges Heffernan Miller Gillespie C.Roberts OdejayiAyinsah Clist G.Smith Goodfellow Russell(atm)Rosenior Heywood J.Smith G.Lavin Amankwah Just a few...Oh also Andrew Jordan had some potential, and hows about playing Thorpe in his proper position, didnt we stick him all over the place and leave him to rot or somthing. I cant remeber!All i remember is wishing we would play him upfront with Akinbiyi but Torpey and Anderson getting infront of him! (Anderson rightlyso another player i liked alot and didnt see enough of in a city shirt) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 Sebok - shipped out for being foreign under PulisSoren Andersen - dittoLiam Rosenior - only ever played out of positionG Smith - dittoGillespie - never got a run of a few games in the team to show what he could or couldn't doBridges - ditto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristoljames Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 Bridges and Heffernan I can think of. Yeh and Gillespe. Glad Orr was given the run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BristolCity1992 Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 Liam Rosenior - how can you say that? He moved on to bigger and better things and played a few games for us, hardly not given a chance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twaters Posted August 11, 2006 Report Share Posted August 11, 2006 Liam Rosenior - how can you say that? He moved on to bigger and better things and played a few games for us, hardly not given a chance?He hardly ever played, let alone in his favoured position, hence not given a proper chance when he was blatently ready for it. As a consequence he buggered off to Fulham and now plays in the premiership.To me he is def one of those we never gave a proper chance to. (if he was playing first team football i bet he would have stayed)Same as Ayinsah, played some excellent games at the start of the season, then we never heard about him untill the last few games, then he went to Preston because he felt he wasnt being given a chance.There is the possibility of the same happening with J Williams, lets hope after some excellent performances in pre season he gets a good few run outs with the first team this season, and now isnt dropped into the reserves to feel let down and bugger off in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinman-is-god Posted August 11, 2006 Report Share Posted August 11, 2006 another name who i thought was a really good player and scored vital goals for us when he was playing but amazingly was not given much of a chance and spent most of his time here on the bench was 12 year old Marc Goodfellow.suprised no-one has come up with his name, i rememebr a few city fans feeling a bit down for him when he left us. though having said that, he has not doen a lot since he has left us and is now playing at BuryHe is an average player at best. He flopped at Swansea and is now playing for the might of Welling. Scored the odd goal but was never more than a decent squaddie at best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BristolCity1992 Posted August 11, 2006 Report Share Posted August 11, 2006 I thought Goodfellow was at Bury... Or has he moved again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinman-is-god Posted August 11, 2006 Report Share Posted August 11, 2006 I thought Goodfellow was at Bury... Or has he moved again?I stand corrected. I heard he was playing for Welling maybe he was on trial a few weeks ago i'm not sure. Anyway, i stand by what i say! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twaters Posted August 11, 2006 Report Share Posted August 11, 2006 I always felt Freezer was never given a chance to show us what he could do on the left. Never given a decent run. However it does seem he hasnt been given a chance at many clubs, when he came to us from Stoke their fans where suprised to let him go as they all thought he had promise. My friend a Swansea fan said he started amazing scoring a 40 yarder and some great performance then suddenly was out of favour with the boss. Seems to me like Goodfellow was a bit of a Bad fellow. Certainly not a Johnson type player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinman-is-god Posted August 11, 2006 Report Share Posted August 11, 2006 I always felt Freezer was never given a chance to show us what he could do on the left. Never given a decent run. However it does seem he hasnt been given a chance at many clubs, when he came to us from Stoke their fans where suprised to let him go as they all thought he had promise. My friend a Swansea fan said he started amazing scoring a 40 yarder and some great performance then suddenly was out of favour with the boss. Seems to me like Goodfellow was a bit of a Bad fellow. Certainly not a Johnson type playerPerhaps he has been unlucky with managers, but the fact is he has failed to make an impact at Stoke, Swansea or Bristol City, so you have to start asking why he hasn't made it- he either isn't good enough, which i think is the case, or has a bad attitude, on which i cannot comment as i have no idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twaters Posted August 11, 2006 Report Share Posted August 11, 2006 Perhaps he has been unlucky with managers, but the fact is he has failed to make an impact at Stoke, Swansea or Bristol City, so you have to start asking why he hasn't made it- he either isn't good enough, which i think is the case, or has a bad attitude, on which i cannot comment as i have no idea.I admit i am biased, i was there at his debut when he scored in the 89th minute or very very late in the game against Notts County which we won 2-1. Ever since then i had high hopes for him. Sadly they nver came to fruitition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BristolCity1992 Posted August 11, 2006 Report Share Posted August 11, 2006 I remember him getting 4 goals in 3 games non?Agree with Heffers thought he was a great pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinman-is-god Posted August 11, 2006 Report Share Posted August 11, 2006 I remember him getting 4 goals in 3 games non?It is true that he scored 3 goals in his first 4 appearences for us. Doesn't make him a good player though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redfive Posted August 11, 2006 Report Share Posted August 11, 2006 Mozo, seems like no one is willing to offer an answer to your question what is a 'fair chance' and in all honesty it is probably down to ones personal point of view. Take MS last season for example. Had a decent run of games in a struggling side under both Tinnion and Johnson but failed to live up to expectations. So you could say that he was given a fair chance. But of course, when the team started to play better, he wasn't in it. If he'd been given a chance when the team was playing better, maybe he would have come good for us. Was it fair that he was left out? The improvement in results suggest it was fair but the inclusion of Bas Savage (who I think we all agree is a far worse player) suggest it wasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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