WesM Posted November 12, 2006 Report Share Posted November 12, 2006 Either he's been horrendously misquoted or he's going to get a visit to Soho Square.Not the cleverest thing to say is it?Newell's views on women in football!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kit Posted November 12, 2006 Report Share Posted November 12, 2006 Got to agree with him there, saw a few of the decisions that the woman gave and quite frankly it was horrendous. You sometimes get the odd bad call but I can only assume that she was there because she was a woman.Its a mans game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted November 12, 2006 Report Share Posted November 12, 2006 Got to agree with him there, saw a few of the decisions that the woman gave and quite frankly it was horrendous. You sometimes get the odd bad call but I can only assume that she was there because she was a woman.Its a mans game.Couldnt agree more. This is tokeism at its most ridiculous - this country! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc seattle Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 Grow up. If she's crap say she's crap, but to suggest its that she's female is juvenile and stupid. We don't need any chauvinist dumbass spouting off. Feel free to judge her on her skill as a referee but don't judge her on her sex.They had some issues when they put in female referees in the NBA about 10 years ago) but they have been resolved as players and the public got used to it. Most people don't even notice anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WesM Posted November 13, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 Mike Newell.....on Sky Sports News......right now.....doing his best to get sacked!!It's quite funny to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich-TWSC- Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 Mike Newell is doomed. He is in full self-destruct mode.He's slagging off the chairman now so that'll meen it's good night from him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_am_red Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 mike newell speaks sense that bird should have been gettin tea on the table for when her bloke gets home from football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MaccaJK Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 he has now apologised but why? i don't think he did anything wrong. women should stay out of the mens game. if you're going to let them run the line why don't you let them play? they have their own game don't they? we gave them a womens game so why do they still get to ref in ours?discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Colby-Tit Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 Can't see the problem myself as long as they're competent at the job. Are you saying that you don't agree with men officiating in women's games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MaccaJK Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 Can't see the problem myself as long as they're competent at the job. Are you saying that you don't agree with men officiating in women's games?yeah. i think we should keep it seperate. the only problem would be how many female refs are there? so we have to give them some of our blokes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTFiGO!?! Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 I just love a good spot of old fashioned controversy. A bloke actually saying wtf he's really thinking. Also aren't there free speech implications here? All funny stuff if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dollymarie Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 So the bloke referees we get who are shite are convieniently forgotten then?As BCFCSeattle says don't judge her on her sex, just how she performs as a referee. If she was crap its got nothing to do with whether shes a girl or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.D Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 Its a godd job the FA got a spokesman to say: "All we can say at the moment is that we will be investigating''If it was an FA spokeswoman, they would still be in two minds about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MaccaJK Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 So the bloke referees we get who are shite are convieniently forgotten then?As BCFCSeattle says don't judge her on her sex, just how she performs as a referee. If she was crap its got nothing to do with whether shes a girl or not. not only is she crap but she should be reffing womens football. its not fair that she should be running the line while better blokes are off for the day.and she no doubt gets plenty of stick having said that if she did't look like ass' ass then maybe people wouldnt complain so much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 Agree with you Dolly. I'm not particularly for or against women Ref's. A Ref's a Ref as far as I'm concerned. Trouble is, the world of football is a man's world, and a women involved whether she is a Ref or Chief Exceutive has to be that much better than any man or she will be subject to critism.As for Newell it was a cheap shot and I believe he later apologised. I don't believe he didn't mean what he said but he realised, or had it pointed out to him, that amongst other things he risked alienating all female fans at Luton! What would he say if he got dealt a couple of bad decisions by a black Ref, would he have mentioned that??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dollymarie Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 its not fair that she should be running the line while better blokes are off for the day. But how do you know that the "better blokes" were off for the day. Define better? Shes earned the right to be there as much as any bloke, and has probably had to try harder to prove her worth as a referee.What would you prefer then, a female ref who makes the right decision, or a bloke ref who was just there because hes a bloke and not a girl, and who ends up then making the wrong decision.You don't hate the ref cos hes a bloke when he has a crap game, you hate him cos hes crap, the fact hes a bloke doesnt come into it for a second.Try joining the 21st century. Like RedM says, you don't hear managers slagging off refs cos of their colour, so why should they get slagged off cos theyre female? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTFiGO!?! Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 The bloke was emotionally charged, felt cheated and so endulged in a scathing rant. Imo; it's funny.Logic isn't appropriate for me in these situations.Watching womankind getting wound up by it is even funnier - I appologise, I think it's just the way I am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 The bloke was emotionally charged, felt cheated and so endulged in a scathing rant. Imo; it's funny.Logic isn't appropriate for me in these situations.Watching womankind getting wound up by it is even funnier - I appologise, I think it's just the way I am.I've no problem with him having an 'emotionally charged rant' and actually think that Managers are overly censored at times regarding officials and their decisions.My reason for being wound up (I'm not really) is that did he not really think he had enough grounds for complaint and he had to use her sex to strengthen his case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc seattle Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 I dumbfounded that so many people here agree with Newell. I mean I'm all for calling crap referees crap. But as Dolly said none of us would agree with commenting if the Referee was Black or Pakistani or whatever, that isn't acceptable and neither is accusing her of being crap because of her womanness. It's not a question of political correctness is a question of right and wrong, and in this case even by his own admission Newell is wrong.More power to the Referee in question if she puts up with you lot giving her schtick. Not a position any of us would like to be in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kit Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 I dumbfounded that so many people here agree with Newell. I mean I'm all for calling crap referees crap. But as Dolly said none of us would agree with commenting if the Referee was Black or Pakistani or whatever, that isn't acceptable and neither is accusing her of being crap because of her womanness. It's not a question of political correctness is a question of right and wrong, and in this case even by his own admission Newell is wrong.More power to the Referee in question if she puts up with you lot giving her schtick. Not a position any of us would like to be in.Fact is that I can only assume this woman has got where she is because she is a woman. As Mike Newell said it is tokenism at its worst.There are close to 10000 people watching a match and they get given a bird lineswoman who at best should be refing girls school football.Its easy to berate linsemen, or if you want to be a PC cnnuut 'referees assisstant', for poor offside calls, or the odd bad decision. But this woman gets the simple stuff wrong. Its just a sad state of affairs and demonstrates why women should keep out of football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dollymarie Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 There are close to 10000 people watching a match and they get given a bird lineswoman who at best should be refing girls school football.Its easy to berate linsemen, or if you want to be a PC cnnuut 'referees assisstant', for poor offside calls, or the odd bad decision. But this woman gets the simple stuff wrong. Its just a sad state of affairs and demonstrates why women should keep out of football. Scuse me but wake up and smell the 21st century. There are plenty of shockingly shite referees in this country who are blokes. What a completely sexist thing to say that women should keep out of football. Get a life! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robins72 Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 Fact is that I can only assume this woman has got where she is because she is a woman. As Mike Newell said it is tokenism at its worst.There are close to 10000 people watching a match and they get given a bird lineswoman who at best should be refing girls school football.Its easy to berate linsemen, or if you want to be a PC cnnuut 'referees assisstant', for poor offside calls, or the odd bad decision. But this woman gets the simple stuff wrong. Its just a sad state of affairs and demonstrates why women should keep out of football.So she made a mistake? Wernt some of you guys slatung Halsey at Forest a few weeks ago? People make mistakes so just cos shes a woman you slate her. Pretty sad really. Newell took it too far and will suffer the consequences. Cant see him at the helm at Luton for much longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc seattle Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 Fact is that I can only assume this woman has got where she is because she is a woman. As Mike Newell said it is tokenism at its worst.There are close to 10000 people watching a match and they get given a bird lineswoman who at best should be refing girls school football.Its easy to berate linsemen, or if you want to be a PC cnnuut 'referees assisstant', for poor offside calls, or the odd bad decision. But this woman gets the simple stuff wrong. Its just a sad state of affairs and demonstrates why women should keep out of football.I think in some regards you agree with the correct side. It's fine to say she is a crap linesman/assistant ref, you can even say she doesn't deserve to be a referee, that's all fair but it is chauvinistic at best to say it's because shes a woman. It makes their job that much harder if they come in with a huge bias against them. I'm sure she isn't the worst asst. referee in the Football League, yet the worst just gets the "man that bloke was the worst linesman I've ever seen, he should go back to work cleaning muck out of stalls" Notice no one here seems to be defending whether or not she is crap (she probably is), merely she shouldn't be getting all the problems for being female. If women's football shouldn't be around maybe you ought to tell that to FIFA who endorse the game. If you go to games over here in the USA often time the womens game is better at least as far as teamwork and skill sets are concerned, granted it slower but is played at a much higher quality than you blokes usually give it credit for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 Scuse me but wake up and smell the 21st century. There are plenty of shockingly shite referees in this country who are blokes. What a completely sexist thing to say that women should keep out of football. Get a life!Would a linesman that poor, capable of making such terrible decisions, have got the opportunity to do so if they were a man?If the answer's yes then fair enough. If it's no then it's tokenism and just as sexist as saying kick women out of football.There are obviously plenty of shocking male refs but please - that was amazingly bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robins72 Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 Would a linesman that poor, capable of making such terrible decisions, have got the opportunity to do so if they were a man?If the answer's yes then fair enough. If it's no then it's tokenism and just as sexist as saying kick women out of football.There are obviously plenty of shocking male refs but please - that was amazingly bad.Like Seattle said it was more the sexist comments than the quality of the ref. Lots of refs make errors. Newell went too far with his comments imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 Like Seattle said it was more the sexist comments than the quality of the ref. Lots of refs make errors. Newell went too far with his comments imo.I agree he did - the amusing thing is that his comments probably made it a dead cert that the assistant ref in question will not get dropped down any time soon.I still think there's possibly an element of truth to the tokenism even though his rant about it being a man's game was clearly sexist bollocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robins72 Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 I agree he did - the amusing thing is that his comments probably made it a dead cert that the assistant ref in question will not get dropped down any time soon.I still think there's possibly an element of truth to the tokenism even though his rant about it being a man's game was clearly sexist bollocks.Wonder if he will get a tirent of abuse from female fans next Luton match. Would be interesting to watch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 I can just see the Luton side running out of the tunnel to the dulcet tones of Aretha Franklin singing Respect... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fRed Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 Wonder if he will get a tirent of abuse from female fans next Luton match. Would be interesting to watch They're coming over the horizon, just like that lynx advert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
half timer Posted November 15, 2006 Report Share Posted November 15, 2006 i don't see y ladies don't just ref ladies games and men ref mens. i think this would make the womens game stronger because if a woman is a good ref then she gets put into the mens game so surley this downgrades the womans game. Also if it was a player then they wouldnt be alloud to move to the mens game would they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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