jellyred Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 I think Mr French is on about burying your head in the sand and refusing to see there is a problem with English system, Ala the FA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 No, I think he's having a hissy fit with my view that the French have an imoral and recently unsuccessful system. Changes do of course need to be made with our way of doing things. Would make teams use 3 home grown players (At least 2 years with their youth system) in each domestic match.In the long haul though, it could be damaging to clubs like us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhatWill Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 Yes these players look good at their clubs but that is because they are surrounded by talented foreigners who nurse them through!Yeh Steven Gerrard is like a boy playing alongside men at Liverpool.Maybe we should have sent him to France and he might have turned out alright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangkok Red Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 What are you on about?Frenchred in on about this (amongst other things) and is spot-on in his comments..........The French have their famous Clairefontaine national football centre, officially called Le Centre Technique National Fernand Sastre, to develop the best young talent in the country and has produced the likes of Nicolas Anelka, William Gallas and World Cup 1998 and Euro 2000 winner Thierry Henry. But Clairfontaine is not the only elite academy in France, it is just one of nine facilities that nurtures the top talent in a network that encompasses the whole country. Meanwhile, England's equivalent, the FA Youth Academy at Lilleshall, was shut down a decade ago. The unfinished National Football Centre at Burton-upon-Trent, a possible replacement for Lilleshall, remains a building site gathering tumbleweed. The £50million project was the brainchild of former FA technical director Howard Wilkinson, who identified the poor coaching of young talent as a massive problem in the English game, but the centre remains a stalled idea; unfinished and unused. Pitches have already been laid and construction work on the outbuildings and dressing rooms has been plotted but the FA are procrastinate on a decision whether to continue with the project. The answer is obvious. It is no wonder that the youth academies of the top Premiership clubs are brimming with foreign talent. Those academies must help to produce the England players of the future and the production line is threatening to shudder to a halt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 Frenchred in on about this (amongst other things) and is spot-on in his comments..........The French have their famous Clairefontaine national football centre, officially called Le Centre Technique National Fernand Sastre, to develop the best young talent in the country and has produced the likes of Nicolas Anelka, William Gallas and World Cup 1998 and Euro 2000 winner Thierry Henry. But Clairfontaine is not the only elite academy in France, it is just one of nine facilities that nurtures the top talent in a network that encompasses the whole country. Meanwhile, England's equivalent, the FA Youth Academy at Lilleshall, was shut down a decade ago. The unfinished National Football Centre at Burton-upon-Trent, a possible replacement for Lilleshall, remains a building site gathering tumbleweed. The £50million project was the brainchild of former FA technical director Howard Wilkinson, who identified the poor coaching of young talent as a massive problem in the English game, but the centre remains a stalled idea; unfinished and unused. Pitches have already been laid and construction work on the outbuildings and dressing rooms has been plotted but the FA are procrastinate on a decision whether to continue with the project. The answer is obvious. It is no wonder that the youth academies of the top Premiership clubs are brimming with foreign talent. Those academies must help to produce the England players of the future and the production line is threatening to shudder to a halt.Nice copy and paste job, where's it from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangkok Red Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 Nice copy and paste job, where's it from.There you go. Read and learn http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story...mp;lid=tab1pos1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchred Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 Frenchred in on about this (amongst other things) and is spot-on in his comments..........The French have their famous Clairefontaine national football centre, officially called Le Centre Technique National Fernand Sastre, to develop the best young talent in the country and has produced the likes of Nicolas Anelka, William Gallas and World Cup 1998 and Euro 2000 winner Thierry Henry. But Clairfontaine is not the only elite academy in France, it is just one of nine facilities that nurtures the top talent in a network that encompasses the whole country. Meanwhile, England's equivalent, the FA Youth Academy at Lilleshall, was shut down a decade ago. The unfinished National Football Centre at Burton-upon-Trent, a possible replacement for Lilleshall, remains a building site gathering tumbleweed. The £50million project was the brainchild of former FA technical director Howard Wilkinson, who identified the poor coaching of young talent as a massive problem in the English game, but the centre remains a stalled idea; unfinished and unused. Pitches have already been laid and construction work on the outbuildings and dressing rooms has been plotted but the FA are procrastinate on a decision whether to continue with the project. The answer is obvious. It is no wonder that the youth academies of the top Premiership clubs are brimming with foreign talent. Those academies must help to produce the England players of the future and the production line is threatening to shudder to a halt.Nononono, you mustn't say that because there is nothing wrong with the English model.. moomin said so! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 there is nothing wrong with the English model.. moomin said so!Can you point out where I said this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchred Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 And the French model has done what? The great french team was a result of the dubious practice of bringing in thousands of dual nationality youngsters, the majority of which are cast out at 19. The French team is a shadow of its former self since its coulden age in the late 90's.There's nothing wrong with the English system, other than top clubs finding it easier to import cheaper foreign players rather than persevere with their younger charges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 So I did actuially say there's a problem then.It's alright for you to come on here and bang on about how we should follow the french model, or how other have said we should look at Argentina - Our game is vastly different to these countries. For starters the amount of teams with acadamies, secondly the amount of proffesional clubs. Do you suggest we take youth coaching away from clubs? If so laughable.Our present system was a direct copy of Holland, following a bad spell for England in the 90's. The best coaching in the world means nothing if players aren't able to progress when they get to 18/19. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchred Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 So I did actuially say there's a problem then.It's alright for you to come on here and bang on about how we should follow the french model, or how other have said we should look at Argentina - Our game is vastly different to these countries. For starters the amount of teams with acadamies, secondly the amount of proffesional clubs. Do you suggest we take youth coaching away from clubs? If so laughable.Our present system was a direct copy of Holland, following a bad spell for England in the 90's. The best coaching in the world means nothing if players aren't able to progress when they get to 18/19.I agree with you to a certain extent and do not propose we follow the French model in its entireity, however a national centre of excellence should be the minimum we get. Premier league managers do not give a damn about how England get on, not one little bit, the vast majority of them are not English anyway! so to a certain degree those youngsters at 18-19 should be taken away from the club environment. It is widely accepted that the 'English Way' is not the way to go forward at international level, however if these kids are ONLY coached ' The English Way'how on earth will we ever move forward? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 Do you suggest we take youth coaching away from clubs? If so laughable.Actually I'd suggest that in the long run that would be the best thing for all concerned.It's an unfortunate fact that clubs are now businesses. Youth coaching is bad business. It represents a large and very risky investment for a completely unpredictable return that is undermined by legislation. Producing good young players and having a successful first team (which is key to commercial success) often are conflicting goals.Perhaps what we should be doing is encouraging footballing excellence in colleges (much like the American systems for Basketball and American Girlieball) and a draft type system. This would be fairer and stop cherry picking, it would make it easier to improve the standard of coaching, and it would provide a national competitive league system for youth players as well as tie into schools properly (via UCAS). It would benefit the players who would have something to fall back on, they would have more support outside of football, and it would in many cases mean better facilities for them as well. The days when an apprentice cleaned a first team players boots are long gone, what benefit is there to having 16-19 yr olds train for 3 hours a day at a professional club where the focus has to be on the first team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchred Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 Yeh Steven Gerrard is like a boy playing alongside men at Liverpool.Maybe we should have sent him to France and he might have turned out alright. He looks a very very good player at Liverpool in the premier league where everything is done at 100 miles an hour, technical ability and tactical aware ness are not needed. Unfortunately both these skills are required along with being able to pass a ball over a short distance to a teammate at international level and this is where Mr Gerard among many others fail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumbellow Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 Who ever it is for me I think that the idea of having (not necessaily a no.2) but an assistant of some sort (coach) whatever, who has an England international pedigree and is UK media savvy to take on most the press side of things and to advise on how the premiership works and to liase with the clubs and not necessarily get involved in anything more than that would be of a great help and I think Shearer is tailormade, I don't see any Englishmen on the horizon good enough to take on the England managers job, we definately have to go foreign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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