Richard Keogh

[badger22]

Just spoken to Rich and he was at home at his parents house!! Said he went home to have a think about a few things.... sounds a bit down.

I didn't want to push him on what we was thinking about? But its got to be about the club and what he wants to do.

I know he loves this clubs, but the lad just wants to play football, and please don't bring his agent into it (I hate Sky as much as the next person) becuase its really not him.

[Sir Colby-Tit]

Just spoken to Rich and he was at home at his parents house!! Said he went home to have a think about a few things.... sounds a bit down.

I didn't want to push him on what we was thinking about? But its got to be about the club and what he wants to do.

I know he loves this clubs, but the lad just wants to play football, and please don't bring his agent into it (I hate Sky as much as the next person) becuase its really not him.

Why did he refuse to sign a new contract, if it wasn't down to his agent?

[Nibor]

Why did he refuse to sign a new contract, if it wasn't down to his agent?

Because he didn't think he'd get first team football?

[Roger Red Hat]

Did'nt he 'love' Huddersfield aswell?

[badger22]

Because he didn't think he'd get first team football?

Thats right!! Sometimes you make a choice, he loves the club, but he also loves the game of football.

Maybe he's made a mistake and wants to fight for his place, people make mistakes...

[samo]

With full respect to you Badger (and to the lad Keogh too) I think he hasn't really got much chance of coming back into first team action at City. Vasko turning out to be a half decent signing and Fontaine's resurgence have put paid to that more than anything he has done. He'd be better off making a move now (loan or perm) and getting 6 months of first team football under his belt before the summer. A good second half of the season at a decent placed league one club and he could be iback n the championship next year and moving his career on. Sad but true.

[Riaz]

I said all along that i thought he never signed because he wanted first team football (which is fair enough)

But people make assumptions, saying he's got a attitude problem, without any reason to!

[Redhyde]

The lad must be full of regrets, not surprised he's down.

He came into the season as the third choice centre back and would most likely have started the season in McCombe's stead. For whatever reason he didn't sign the deal that was offered and did so in a way that showed GJ that he wasn't committed to the cause. Now all the other centre backs have had their chances and done well, Richard's now 5th choice if that and the deal's been withdrawn.

Luckily, clubs are aware of him and he'll definitely get offers to play in league one. It's perhaps set his career back two-three years but he's young enough to get over it.

If I were him I'd firstly apologise to GJ, then show him the desire to prove to him your willingness to improve and be part of it again. Then do extra training, extra gym work etc etc. TBH what's the next 4-5 months of his career at his age? If he stays he has the chance to progress with us. And he'll still have the same options as he'll have in the summer if it doesn't work out.

I'm worried for his sake that he's down, hopefully he'll get over that and motivate himself to stay and fight rather than take the easy road and leave now. Take Enoch as an example, he utterly blew his chance at the start of the season, but worked hard and came back into the squad then team.

[badger22]

I said all along that i thought he never signed because he wanted first team football (which is fair enough)

But people make assumptions, saying he's got a attitude problem, without any reason to!

Its boils me sometimes reading some things on here!! Yes he's a friend, but I met Rich whilst DJ'ing, spoke to him when he asked for a song to be played and got invited to another event.

He's never used the ''look at me I'm a footballer'' line when socialising, he's very down to earth and is just one of the lads.....

So for people to say he's got an attitude problem baffles me??? I personally think he's made a few mistakes, which he knows, but who hasn't.... I know I've made a few career mistakes.. but you learn.

Lets hope that he gets back, knuckles down and wins his place back....

[Tunley Legend]

I don't want to upset anyone who is mates with Keogh but in the pecking order he is FIFTH choice centre back on merit I am afraid. And THIRD or FOURTH choice right back. The lad really needs to move to further his career.

[Redhyde]

I don't want to upset anyone who is mates with Keogh but in the pecking order he is FIFTH choice centre back on merit I am afraid. And THIRD or FOURTH choice right back. The lad really needs to move to further his career.

but then Fontaine was 4th choice coming into the season. He's now our best centre back! McCombe was player of the year and i'd rank him 4th now. Things can change.

He should stay until the end of the season, there's not much to lose in doing so IMO.

[Tunley Legend]

but then Fontaine was 4th choice coming into the season. He's now our best centre back! McCombe was player of the year and i'd rank him 4th now. Things can change.

He should stay until the end of the season, there's not much to lose in doing so IMO.

The main difference with Fontaine being that he didn't p1$$ off the Manager by refusing to sign the deal he was offered!! I just think that Keogh has burned his bridges (not many get a second chance with GJ) and needs to go elsewhere if he wants regular football. Just out of interest my pecking orders would be as follows:-

Center Half - Carey, Fontaine, Vasko (who I believe will improve quickly), McCombe, Keogh

Right Back - Orr, Carey, Keogh, Wilson

Anyone agree/disagree?

[tin]

The irony is that I severely doubt Vasko would've been brought in had Keogh not stalled on his contract. If he'd have shown the desire to play for the club he 'loves' then he'd be enjoying first-team football with us at the top end of the Championship by now.

Decisions, decisions eh?!

[samo]

The main difference with Fontaine being that he didn't p1$$ off the Manager by refusing to sign the deal he was offered!! I just think that Keogh has burned his bridges (not many get a second chance with GJ) and needs to go elsewhere if he wants regular football. Just out of interest my pecking orders would be as follows:-

Center Half - Carey, Fontaine, Vasko (who I believe will improve quickly), McCombe, Keogh

Right Back - Orr, Carey, Keogh, Wilson

Anyone agree/disagree?

I think Wilson would top both Carey and Keogh for right back. Might have been a bot poor on saturday, but he's a decent player overall. I'd agree that Vasko will most likely be causing the sort of problem GJ likes to have over the next few months.

[Nibor]

I think Wilson would top both Carey and Keogh for right back. Might have been a bot poor on saturday, but he's a decent player overall. I'd agree that Vasko will most likely be causing the sort of problem GJ likes to have over the next few months.

Right back would be Orr, Wilson, Ribeiro, Keogh for me.

I'd rather not play Carey there ever and unfortunately for RK I don't think he has a future here now so I would put a player who does in front of him.

[Sir Colby-Tit]

I certainly wish him all the best. Personally. I always thought he'd take the RB position from Orr. Will always be remembered for his header against Boro.

[Redhyde]

The main difference with Fontaine being that he didn't p1$$ off the Manager by refusing to sign the deal he was offered!! I just think that Keogh has burned his bridges (not many get a second chance with GJ) and needs to go elsewhere if he wants regular football. Just out of interest my pecking orders would be as follows:-

Center Half - Carey, Fontaine, Vasko (who I believe will improve quickly), McCombe, Keogh

Right Back - Orr, Carey, Keogh, Wilson

Anyone agree/disagree?

Don't think Carey is 2nd choice right back. i'd go Orr, Wilson, Carey, Keogh there. Depends who's playing in the centre or if Wilson's in midfield somewhere.

He may well have done, but then he might not have. GJ isn't stupid, if Keogh deserves a place again, he'll get it. If Keogh leaves he'll never know. I think he has more to lose (depending on where he goes of course) if he goes now.

I don't want to believe that GJ (if he believed Keogh was good enough) wouldn't give Keogh another chance if he admitted he messed up. Now if he didn't think he needed him and has better options now i'm all for GJ trying to get rid. But if it's about attitude then i'd hope GJ wouldn't be so petty.

[Tunley Legend]

Right back would be Orr, Wilson, Ribeiro, Keogh for me.

I'd rather not play Carey there ever and unfortunately for RK I don't think he has a future here now so I would put a player who does in front of him.

Fair shout on Ribeiro. I've never seen him play but it would be nice to think that someone could give Orr the challenge for a place he needs if he is to move forwards and make the next step.

[rumbellow]

Its boils me sometimes reading some things on here!! Yes he's a friend, but I met Rich whilst DJ'ing, spoke to him when he asked for a song to be played and got invited to another event.

He's never used the ''look at me I'm a footballer'' line when socialising, he's very down to earth and is just one of the lads.....

So for people to say he's got an attitude problem baffles me??? I personally think he's made a few mistakes, which he knows, but who hasn't.... I know I've made a few career mistakes.. but you learn.

Lets hope that he gets back, knuckles down and wins his place back....

it may boil you, but the truth is had he bided his time (a la Fontaine & Vasko & Mcombe) with all of the injuries + suspensions, He would have had his chance now and it would have been up to him to take that chance, Fontaine was behind Mcombe in the pecking order but due to Mcombes pre season injury woe took his chance with both hands and Vasko for god sake is a Hungarian international, he did'nt think that his CV gave him an automatic first team start, he actually started before Fontaine and was replaced by Fontaine (after a couple of poor performances) and now Vasko has played so well he has given GJ a)the opportunity to make sure Carey is fully fit before bringing him back and b)the headache of who do I leave out.

Keogh has shown poor decision making, poor attitude and shown a lack of fight and that is nobodys fault but his own, it's called believing your own press, I understand the defence of your mate, but nobody is entitled to believe he has a right to play in the first just ask Mr Trundle, so i'm sorry no sympathy from me.

[Guest zider_head]

I guess he hasnt done himself any favours, he would have been given the chance to play if he signed etc, I have no reason to belive the offer would have been bad noone else seems to moan and we have signed plenty of other players since his deal etc.

I think on his day he is a decent player who could have been a good squad player i mean he is better at right back then Skuse and Wilson who have both played thier already this season.

My main gripe is Sky Andrews I detest this bloke and what he stands for, look what he has done with the following :-

Lita - Talented yes but imagine what he could be under the right guidance etc

Goldbourne - Nuff said, 2 games in about 18 months for reading the player in the bottom leauge great move

Aniansyah - Agin bad move

Common demoninatot - Skye Andrews !!!

[Tunley Legend]

I guess he hasnt done himself any favours, he would have been given the chance to play if he signed etc, I have no reason to belive the offer would have been bad noone else seems to moan and we have signed plenty of other players since his deal etc.

I think on his day he is a decent player who could have been a good squad player i mean he is better at right back then Skuse and Wilson who have both played thier already this season.

My main gripe is Sky Andrews I detest this bloke and what he stands for, look what he has done with the following :-

Lita - Talented yes but imagine what he could be under the right guidance etc

Goldbourne - Nuff said, 2 games in about 18 months for reading the player in the bottom leauge great move

Aniansyah - Agin bad move

Common demoninatot - Skye Andrews !!!

You've sort of hit on a point that I was thinking about the other day and it may be controversial to some. Does anyone think that getting rid of our Bristolian/local players such as Hill, Coles, Golbourne, Anyinsah, Stewart and Phillips and the fact that we are now having success is more than a coincidence? Am I reading too much into it? The only Bristolian regularly involved now is Louis Carey.

[Guest BRFC_Gas]

To be honest he was crap against us the other week, you wouldn't want him back.

....erm, on second thoughts, he was great, get him back in!

[REDOXO]

it may boil you, but the truth is had he bided his time (a la Fontaine & Vasko & Mcombe) with all of the injuries + suspensions, He would have had his chance now and it would have been up to him to take that chance, Fontaine was behind Mcombe in the pecking order but due to Mcombes pre season injury woe took his chance with both hands and Vasko for god sake is a Hungarian international, he did'nt think that his CV gave him an automatic first team start, he actually started before Fontaine and was replaced by Fontaine (after a couple of poor performances) and now Vasko has played so well he has given GJ a)the opportunity to make sure Carey is fully fit before bringing him back and b)the headache of who do I leave out.

Keogh has shown poor decision making, poor attitude and shown a lack of fight and that is nobodys fault but his own, it's called believing your own press, I understand the defence of your mate, but nobody is entitled to believe he has a right to play in the first just ask Mr Trundle, so i'm sorry no sympathy from me.

I agree with 98% of the above. However he is still a kid and therefore a) easily influenced b) has limited life experience.

If the kid shows NOW he wants to battle for a place in the side and signs a new contract (probably worse than the one he was originally offered) then I think he could still become the player he aspires to be at this club.

[rumbellow]

I agree with 98% of the above. However he is still a kid and therefore a) easily influenced b) has limited life experience.

If the kid shows NOW he wants to battle for a place in the side and signs a new contract (probably worse than the one he was originally offered) then I think he could still become the player he aspires to be at this club.

and I agree with you 100%, But his past history says to me your if is in fact a big IF, However I do believe that most people deserve a second chance, Not going to hold me breath though.

[Robbored]

All this talk about Keogh being 'down the pecking order' means very little as he is a versatile player and can play not only all along the back four but as a defensive midfielder as well.Having someone like him in the squad is very usefull addition.

His weakness is that he can be like a headless chicken at times on the pitch and lacks a bit of tactical discipline but that will come with experience and maturity.

Its already been said that maybe Keogh was ill-advised and that he has to learn that no-one can be guaranteed a first team spot.If he stays at City (I hope he does) he'll have to wait for his chance just like everyone else.

[Gary the Dogs Johnsons]

Just spoken to Rich and he was at home at his parents house!! Said he went home to have a think about a few things.... sounds a bit down.

I didn't want to push him on what we was thinking about? But its got to be about the club and what he wants to do.

I know he loves this clubs, but the lad just wants to play football, and please don't bring his agent into it (I hate Sky as much as the next person) becuase its really not him.

Unfortunately Footballs a cut throat business chaps. Just because RK won young footballer of the year doesn't mean he has any right to now stay. For whatever reason he has gone down the pecking order. IMO thats purely because he's not good enough. I'd love for him to prove me wrong but sadly I don't think he will. Now we have had a taste of where we could go if the 2nd half of the season is as good as the 1st half, can you honestly say hand on heart that RK is good enough? I don't think so and obviously so does GJ.

[BIGPHIL]

Surely these players do have minds of there own and can make a decision for them selves. They should have seen the effect that bad advice given by an agent can be very costly just by looking at the outcome of others. Agents are in the football to make money, the more they negotiate the bigger the cut. Sooner or later footballers must learn to think whats best for there carrer and tell these agents to butt out.