Enough Is Enough

[DOLMANDAN]

surly this debate is for another forum

[Riaz]

surly this debate is for another forum

surely thats the moderators job

[Portland Bill]

Can someone get rid of the pictures of that WITCH THATCHER please

[tin]

I heard it kicked off in the Mardyke before the Boro game a few weeks back

No, not at all. I was in there with a Boro pal of mine and the police came in sniffing around when nothing was happening and soon left.

[Cooter]

These type of threads are absolute comedy!

Keep 'em coming...

[Red to the world]

Sorry but what a lot of rubbish on this thread.

I go to many rugby matches - home and away - involving Bath Rugby and there is no segregation, no police and no trouble.

So you lot really believe that the fact the police are there causes the problem ?

Utter and total garbage.

They may be heavy handed and get it wrong often as not but they are not the root of the problem.

Let us play Cardiff ( home or away ) with no travel restrictions, no ticket restictions, no segregation and no police presence.

Someone would probably get killed and many would get seriously hurt.

Same applies at most grounds across the country.

Get into the real ( and not very pleasant world ) of constant football hooliganism.

[Riaz]

Sorry but what a lot of rubbish on this thread.

I go to many rugby matches - home and away - involving Bath Rugby and there is no segregation, no police and no trouble.

So you lot really believe that the fact the police are there causes the problem ?

Utter and total garbage.

They may be heavy handed and get it wrong often as not but they are not the root of the problem.

Let us play Cardiff ( home or away ) with no travel restrictions, no ticket restictions, no segregation and no police presence.

Someone would probably get killed and many would get seriously hurt.

Same applies at most grounds across the country.

Get into the real ( and not very pleasant world ) of constant football hooliganism.

Read peoples accounts of what happened before talking rubbish. If you have read them, then you are idiotic.

PS the police have never done nothing for me apart from cause me problems

[Red to the world]

Read peoples accounts of what happened before talking rubbish. If you have read them, then you are idiotic.

PS the police have never done nothing for me apart from cause me problems

Sorry but could you please be a little more constructive and point out which points in my post are factually inaccurate ?

No I thought not !

[Nibor]

Sorry but what a lot of rubbish on this thread.

I go to many rugby matches - home and away - involving Bath Rugby and there is no segregation, no police and no trouble.

So you lot really believe that the fact the police are there causes the problem ?

I go to a fair few rugby matches, most of which do have police on duty, and the police are polite and helpful and not in your face nor antagonistic.

I don't think anyone believes that the police's presence causes the problem at football at all nor arguing for the removal of segregation.

There is no denying that their attitude towards football supporters and their approach sometimes contributes a great deal to it however, nor that they treat football fans like hooligans instead of just the tiny minority that are actually hooligans.

Forced marches, being made to get on a train you don't want to get onto, being made 30 minutes late for kick off due to an enforced and unnecessary escort... Do these all sound reasonable things to you?

They may be heavy handed and get it wrong often as not but they are not the root of the problem.

And heavy handedness is exactly what people are complaining about.

Broken fingers, getting a booting from a copper whilst on the floor, and a baton in the back are all things people have posted on here which happened at the QPR game, in every case for no apparent reason (though we don't have the copper's side of the story).

It's not the first time this type of thing has happened and unfortunately it won't be the last. The police should not be using the tiny minority of scumbags as an excuse to treat football fans en masse like criminals and from what I've seen at away games they often do this.

[Dolman Block B]

Sorry but what a lot of rubbish on this thread.

I go to many rugby matches - home and away - involving Bath Rugby and there is no segregation, no police and no trouble.

So you lot really believe that the fact the police are there causes the problem ?

Utter and total garbage.

They may be heavy handed and get it wrong often as not but they are not the root of the problem.

Let us play Cardiff ( home or away ) with no travel restrictions, no ticket restictions, no segregation and no police presence.

Someone would probably get killed and many would get seriously hurt.

Same applies at most grounds across the country.

Get into the real ( and not very pleasant world ) of constant football hooliganism.

Let me tell you something Rod.

I got no reason to bullshit or tell you any lies.

The old bill sat were 100% at fault, and treated our fans awfully.

A few on here were witnesses to it, and got caught up in it. Your post implies they are all guilty trouble makers.

They aint and i aint.

[Red to the world]

I go to a fair few rugby matches, most of which do have police on duty, and the police are polite and helpful and not in your face nor antagonistic.

I don't think anyone believes that the police's presence causes the problem at football at all nor arguing for the removal of segregation.

There is no denying that their attitude towards football supporters and their approach sometimes contributes a great deal to it however, nor that they treat football fans like hooligans instead of just the tiny minority that are actually hooligans.

Forced marches, being made to get on a train you don't want to get onto, being made 30 minutes late for kick off due to an enforced and unnecessary escort... Do these all sound reasonable things to you?

And heavy handedness is exactly what people are complaining about.

Broken fingers, getting a booting from a copper whilst on the floor, and a baton in the back are all things people have posted on here which happened at the QPR game, in every case for no apparent reason (though we don't have the copper's side of the story).

It's not the first time this type of thing has happened and unfortunately it won't be the last. The police should not be using the tiny minority of scumbags as an excuse to treat football fans en masse like criminals and from what I've seen at away games they often do this.

Fair comment Nibor - I have been searched myself - just so long as we acknowledge that they may exacerbate the problem due to their actions but they are not the root cause of it.

At the rec when Bath play there are two police on the gate - I hate Gloucester as much as they hate Bath supporters but I can stand in the shed away from home with my wife and two kids and there is no problem ( except perhaps for the swearing ).

I wouldn't like to take them to many away football grounds in the home end in City colours.

Agreed ?

[Stand Up Sit Down]

Sorry but what a lot of rubbish on this thread.

I go to many rugby matches - home and away - involving Bath Rugby and there is no segregation, no police and no trouble.

So you lot really believe that the fact the police are there causes the problem ?

Utter and total garbage.

They may be heavy handed and get it wrong often as not but they are not the root of the problem.

Let us play Cardiff ( home or away ) with no travel restrictions, no ticket restictions, no segregation and no police presence.

Someone would probably get killed and many would get seriously hurt.

Same applies at most grounds across the country.

Get into the real ( and not very pleasant world ) of constant football hooliganism.

Red, there is a world of difference between football hooliganism and a handful of gobby kids who think wearing Burberry and Stone Island makes them hard and who'd run a mile if confronted by a "real" hooligan. I don't think anybody on this thread is taking the stance that everybody who attends football is an angel and I've yet to see anybody say that games should be police free.

You acknowledge that the police may be heavy handed and do get it wrong and yet don't agree they are the root of the problem. Academic research shows that the behaviour of a crowd is very much determined by how they're policed and in the wider context of fans abroad how their travel to and from games is managed, how ticket sales are organised and so on. In short and to put it very simply, treat people like animals and they will behave like animals. Antagonise them needlessly and you'll more often than not get a reaction.

Football fans are both policed and steawarded as though the pose a constant threat; they are not managed in accordance to their behaviour in real time. An assumption is made that the crowd is a constant and moving threat and should be managed accordingly. This was very much the ethos prior to Hillsborough and contributed in part to the tragedy. Unfortunately, little has changed, in fact things are getting worse.

You are absolutely right, somebody may well get killed or seriously hurt (elsewhere on the forum, I write about a Chelsea fans who recently suffered four broken ribs and a collapsed lung at the hands of the police, further his teenage boys were also assaulted) and I'd have money on police, stewards or these teams of security playing their part in making a bad situation worse. At Stand Up Sit Down, we have countless stories of incidents; even treating them with an element of caution there is a common thread among them all "if the police/stewards/security hadn't of.... things wouldn't have been so bad..."

As a West Ham supporter I refuse to travel to away games by public transport; several times we've been in pubs minding our own business and the riot police turn up. Why? Because they seriously think a load of mostly middle aged fans, many with kids are about to run amok or simply because we're West Ham? I've witnessed and occasionally made instances of poor policing on a match day.

And to make the comparision between rugby fans and football supporters weakens your argument further. You can't. Either on the pitch or off it.

[Nibor]

Fair comment Nibor - I have been searched myself - just so long as we acknowledge that they may exacerbate the problem due to their actions but they are not the root cause of it.

At the rec when Bath play there are two police on the gate - I hate Gloucester as much as they hate Bath supporters but I can stand in the shed away from home with my wife and two kids and there is no problem ( except perhaps for the swearing ).

I wouldn't like to take them to many away football grounds in the home end in City colours.

Agreed ?

Yeah I don't watch Bath, I usually end up having to traipse around watching Munster or Leicester on some sort of family get together weekend etc. Normally there are a minimal number of police and they're quite different but then the whole atmosphere at a rugby match is.

It seems to me (and I'm pretty much an outsider at rugby) that it's more about your own team's performance and supporting them and rugby in general rather than at football where half the fun is getting one over on the opposition. Football is, for some reason, more adversarial. I quite like that aspect of football when it doesn't boil over.

I wouldn't sit in home end in City colours anywhere than in Ashton Gate .

[Guest MaloneFM]

By and large your uncle supports the work of Mr Plod. Its a crap old job with crap money, they save more than one live in the line of duty and generally clear up the human rubbish.

However.

A few seasons ago (the game when Lita got the winner and it rained) I was at the Bescott, outside chatting with one of my doddery old mates when a bloke walked past with a few kids and his mate. 'Hang on' he said 'we'll ask these lads. excuse me' he said to one of two plod in full assault gear 'where do we queue for cash admission is it this turnstile?'

'Been drinking mate?'

'Well yes I've been in the supporters club, but which turnstile is it'?

'Off you go then, (one arm up his back, the other one stuck his arm around his neck) you're coming with us for being drunk and disorderly'

His two kids (one of who was about ten) kept shouting 'dad, where are you going?' as he was dragged off trying to explain that he'd only had one with the Walsall supporters.

Later while in the loo draining away the Guiness I had rented in walked two more. Unfortionatly the loo was empty as the game was on.

'What the flick are you doing then'?

'Umm...having a wee?'

Suddenly a trunchoen cracked into the wall next to my head and I was asked if I was being flicking funny, one more peep out of me and I would be nicked for assualting a police officer.

Now the atmosphere at rugby may indeed be different but if you were subjected to this kind of behaviour wouldn;t you complain just a tad?

[myol'man]

By and large your uncle supports the work of Mr Plod. Its a crap old job with crap money, they save more than one live in the line of duty and generally clear up the human rubbish.

However.

A few seasons ago (the game when Lita got the winner and it rained) I was at the Bescott, outside chatting with one of my doddery old mates when a bloke walked past with a few kids and his mate. 'Hang on' he said 'we'll ask these lads. excuse me' he said to one of two plod in full assault gear 'where do we queue for cash admission is it this turnstile?'

'Been drinking mate?'

'Well yes I've been in the supporters club, but which turnstile is it'?

'Off you go then, (one arm up his back, the other one stuck his arm around his neck) you're coming with us for being drunk and disorderly'

His two kids (one of who was about ten) kept shouting 'dad, where are you going?' as he was dragged off trying to explain that he'd only had one with the Walsall supporters.

Later while in the loo draining away the Guiness I had rented in walked two more. Unfortionatly the loo was empty as the game was on.

'What the flick are you doing then'?

'Umm...having a wee?'

Suddenly a trunchoen cracked into the wall next to my head and I was asked if I was being flicking funny, one more peep out of me and I would be nicked for assualting a police officer.

Now the atmosphere at rugby may indeed be different but if you were subjected to this kind of behaviour wouldn;t you complain just a tad?

listen to the voice of Malone,

he may be an old loon, but he tells true stories,

this really happened

[Riaz]

Sorry but could you please be a little more constructive and point out which points in my post are factually inaccurate ?

No I thought not !

I was referring to most of your post. If your read accounts of what happened you would be making the comments you made.

Why comment on things you obviously know nothing about?

[Mr Mosquito]

listen to the voice of Malone,

he may be an old loon, but he tells true stories,

this really happened

The reputation of the '6-fingeredvillage idiots' certainly belongs to the 'brains' behind those West Midlands Police i.e. the hopelessly inbred, corrupt and overpaid toff/snob Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) lawyers that brought charges against our fellow BCFC supporters at Walsall. A rare occurence indeed for football supporters to be able to walk free from court following trumped up Police charges. You'll very often not be able to beat the Police with their corrupt CPS lawyer back up in the courtroom so beat them on the Internet. A level playing field where you can beat them and show them up for what they really are. Remember that a good soldier and General will choose the battleground to his advantage.

[cider head]

I find the bristol police fine at ashton gate but west midlands and the MET old bill are total tossers

so fair's fair, when they are good i'll say so and when not they will get the stick they deserve,

saturday at QPR there was more police there than i have ever seen at ashton gate in a whole season

and they were looking for any excuse for a row!! and with anyone!! as i've said not all police are bad

but saturday i didn't find one who was friendly, they wanted trouble.

if you are or were a copper i just hope you never acted like the MET police, yes police have a tough job

but in london how many drug dealers, car thieves & burglars were rubbing their hands at the thought of

half the MET police on over time pushing around dads and their kids at a football match.

[Guest red ken 2]

OK, Enough is enough, For many years I contributed to this forum without my former life as a copper being known, Unfortunately I was outed by somebody who should have known better.

I was on this forum because I am a City fan and have been for nearly 50 years, But the anti police feeling and reckless comments espoused on this forum (going unpunished by the moderators) has become too much. Red Goblin I can except he is an eccentric, But poster of the year (and populist sound byte merchant) Nibor and now the personal abuse from Riaz has made me realise that you can virtually say anything and it can go unpunished.

Well that's done for me, I don't mind debating points (that's what forums are for) I will not be abused by half wits, Unfortunately there are too many sheep on this forum looking to be popular and making outrageous statements.

So all the best.

Your way off the mark with your comments regarding various posters on here and there comments about the police. Its about time the behavior of the OB towards football supporters was outed. There attitude stinks and has done for years, i have no respect for them and never will do, its time to open the can of worms that has been brushed under the carpet for years.

[bcfc_4_life]

Your way off the mark with your comments regarding various posters on here and there comments about the police. Its about time the behavior of the OB towards football supporters was outed. There attitude stinks and has done for years, i have no respect for them and never will do, its time to open the can of worms that has been brushed under the carpet for years.

Here here, red ken 2, its about time the pigs treated us football fans with respect and not treat us all like brainless hooligans

[NickJ]

OK, Enough is enough, For many years I contributed to this forum without my former life as a copper being known, Unfortunately I was outed by somebody who should have known better.

I was on this forum because I am a City fan and have been for nearly 50 years, But the anti police feeling and reckless comments espoused on this forum (going unpunished by the moderators) has become too much. Red Goblin I can except he is an eccentric, But poster of the year (and populist sound byte merchant) Nibor and now the personal abuse from Riaz has made me realise that you can virtually say anything and it can go unpunished.

Well that's done for me, I don't mind debating points (that's what forums are for) I will not be abused by half wits, Unfortunately there are too many sheep on this forum looking to be popular and making outrageous statements.

So all the best.

I go to every City game home and away, I usually drive to away games.

Here's my experience of the 2 games this season I didnt drive, because I wanted to have a drink before and after the game.

Wolves. Got the 9.30 from Temple Meads, went in the first pub we came to which happened to be a Weatherspoons, at about 11.30. At a guess I'd say there were 200 City City fans in there, some having a quiet drink, some a meal, some a bit more boisterous and having a sing-song but DEFINITELY no trouble. At around 1pm the police surrounded the pub, locked us all in and instructed the bar staff to stop serving. We were held in there for around 30 minutes, against our will, eventually the police marched us against our will to the ground. I tried to walk away to find a diferent pub and a copper forcibly pushed me back into the escort. I asked him what right he had to do that and he was abusive towards me. I told a different copper that me and my mates wanted to go to a pub for a drink, he said we could purchase alcohol in the ground - point number one, the police had instructed Wolves not to sell alcohol in the ground, which no doubt the copper was aware of, point number two, my civil liberties were taken away by the very people who are supposed to uphold them.

Plymouth. On one of 2 coaches that left the Miners Arms at just after 7.30. Arrangements had been made to stop at a large pub just before Plymouth for breakfast and a drink. The coaches were intercepted at 10.15 by the police and we were told that we could not go to the pub because "there was no time and we would miss our escort". They ordered the coach drivers to pull into a layby where we were to wait until 11.30 for the escort. I told the copper that we appear to be living in a police controlled state, which he took great exception to. The irony. I eventually persuaded the copper to let the coaches pull into a Little Chef - not quite what we had been looking forward to but better than nothing. Some lads discovered and went into a different pub, the copper threatened to nick them - for god knows what - and gave the coach drivers a ticking off - for god knows what. After the game, as we all know, City fans were held inside the ground for 20-30 minutes and the police thought it would be a right good laugh to allow anyone that wanted to go outside to the tiolet to be allowed to do so at no more than 4/5 at a time. When they eventually let us out, their behaviour and tactics of continually stopping us nearly led to rather than stopped the mass riot which they purport to seek to prevent.

I am not a football yob, I am a member of a profession which nobody would ever say is likely to be anti-police, I support what the police generally do under sometimes very difficult conditions, I have very good friends in the local police.

This is all just factual comment.

My day at both those games was far less enjoyable due to the actions of the police.

My conclusion from my experience at those 2 football matches is that the police, when confronted with a testing situation at football matches, are quite prepared to ruin the day for the 95% of law-abiding supporters in order to control the 5% who might be out to cause trouble.

Shouldnt it be the other way around?

[WTFiGO!?!]

OK, Enough is enough, For many years I contributed to this forum without my former life as a copper being known, Unfortunately I was outed by somebody who should have known better.

I was on this forum because I am a City fan and have been for nearly 50 years, But the anti police feeling and reckless comments espoused on this forum (going unpunished by the moderators) has become too much. Red Goblin I can except he is an eccentric, But poster of the year (and populist sound byte merchant) Nibor and now the personal abuse from Riaz has made me realise that you can virtually say anything and it can go unpunished.

Well that's done for me, I don't mind debating points (that's what forums are for) I will not be abused by half wits, Unfortunately there are too many sheep on this forum looking to be popular and making outrageous statements.

So all the best.

Cheers fella'

At times I'd rather go back and spend a day in my Grandmothers house than read the uptight shite on this forum.

If you take personal offence by it: I'm glad I'm not you !! xx

[bcfc_4_life]

I go to every City game home and away, I usually drive to away games.

Here's my experience of the 2 games this season I didnt drive, because I wanted to have a drink before and after the game.

Wolves. Got the 9.30 from Temple Meads, went in the first pub we came to which happened to be a Weatherspoons, at about 11.30. At a guess I'd say there were 200 City City fans in there, some having a quiet drink, some a meal, some a bit more boisterous and having a sing-song but DEFINITELY no trouble. At around 1pm the police surrounded the pub, locked us all in and instructed the bar staff to stop serving. We were held in there for around 30 minutes, against our will, eventually the police marched us against our will to the ground. I tried to walk away to find a diferent pub and a copper forcibly pushed me back into the escort. I asked him what right he had to do that and he was abusive towards me. I told a different copper that me and my mates wanted to go to a pub for a drink, he said we could purchase alcohol in the ground - point number one, the police had instructed Wolves not to sell alcohol in the ground, which no doubt the copper was aware of, point number two, my civil liberties were taken away by the very people who are supposed to uphold them.

Plymouth. On one of 2 coaches that left the Miners Arms at just after 7.30. Arrangements had been made to stop at a large pub just before Plymouth for breakfast and a drink. The coaches were intercepted at 10.15 by the police and we were told that we could not go to the pub because "there was no time and we would miss our escort". They ordered the coach drivers to pull into a layby where we were to wait until 11.30 for the escort. I told the copper that we appear to be living in a police controlled state, which he took great exception to. The irony. I eventually persuaded the copper to let the coaches pull into a Little Chef - not quite what we had been looking forward to but better than nothing. Some lads discovered and went into a different pub, the copper threatened to nick them - for god knows what - and gave the coach drivers a ticking off - for god knows what. After the game, as we all know, City fans were held inside the ground for 20-30 minutes and the police thought it would be a right good laugh to allow anyone that wanted to go outside to the tiolet to be allowed to do so at no more than 4/5 at a time. When they eventually let us out, their behaviour and tactics of continually stopping us nearly led to rather than stopped the mass riot which they purport to seek to prevent.

I am not a football yob, I am a member of a profession which nobody would ever say is likely to be anti-police, I support what the police generally do under sometimes very difficult conditions, I have very good friends in the local police.

This is all just factual comment.

My day at both those games was far less enjoyable due to the actions of the police.

My conclusion from my experience at those 2 football matches is that the police, when confronted with a testing situation at football matches, are quite prepared to ruin the day for the 95% of law-abiding supporters in order to control the 5% who might be out to cause trouble.

Shouldnt it be the other way around?

You Sir, Are a saint for putting up with that and still going, but thats what the addiction off BCFC does to you eh....

In all Seriousness the policing at most games is a joke.... its ridiculous people like you Nick and the other fans who had to experience the scum they call coppers have to get such a hard time because of a few hooligans that every club has.

When will the coppers learn that treating us like a bunch of hooligans or animals will not stop trouble but make it worse for them and on the fans who are just there to watch the football and not start trouble who seem to be the ones who get the beatings from the pigs.

Have you read the letter from Amanda about emailing her your story chap?

Do something about it,

[cider head]

It's a generally accepted fact that the Police are this country's largest and best equipped 'football hooligan firm'. They 'have it week-in week-out with the supporters of football clubs.

"Sit down, shut up or you're out sonny 'cause we've got numbers" ...........

ah! goblin may i point out that the picture was taken vs swansea and the coppers going in there were

in fact south wales police who took a ex army lad out of the stand for so say doing loyalist hand signals,

and light hearted anti welsh songs (to which swansea were exchanging without being touched)

now right or wrong i'm not going to blame him for doing it if he served in NI and has had his mates blown

up by the IRA, no need to take it to football mabe but no need for 50 coppers to wade in to take 1 man out

when he has sat there all season and has a good rapour with the stwards who man that block doing the same thing

all season light hearted and the stewards laughing about it, and share banter with him and a chat is just silly,

it is again the outside bristol police not understanding the situation fully and blowing it out of proportion.

[Mr Mosquito]

ah! goblin may i point out that the picture was taken vs swansea and the coppers going in there were

in fact south wales police who took a ex army lad out of the stand for so say doing loyalist hand signals,

and light hearted anti welsh songs (to which swansea were exchanging without being touched)

now right or wrong i'm not going to blame him for doing it if he served in NI and has had his mates blown

up by the IRA, no need to take it to football mabe but no need for 50 coppers to wade in to take 1 man out

when he has sat there all season and has a good rapour with the stwards who man that block doing the same thing

all season light hearted and the stewards laughing about it, and share banter with him and a chat is just silly,

it is again the outside bristol police not understanding the situation fully and blowing it out of proportion.

I didn't take that photograph but I was not far from the person that did take it. The view I got was of a few dozen Police going into the stand - use a sledge hammer to crack a nut and get paid triple time overtime for it is my gripe.

If memory serves me correct no one was allowed to sit in that block after, OTT Policing ???!!!!......

[Portishead Red]

hardly abuse is it rumbellow. I asked you if you had been bullied at school. Stop having a hissy fit. If you experienced what I did on saturday, by all means have a hissy fit, but you never, so relax.

I like your facebook pictures riaz (link can be found at the bottom of your avitar). Especially the one where you are posing with a knife.

Now tell me more about your hatred of the Police. I expect your views match that of this nations views on youngsters that not only pose and carry, but use knifes as well.

Who's the scum and filth now? The Police or the likes of you that blatantly pose with knives.....

[Portishead Red]

Now that last comment is off my chest, perhaps i can now get back to the original topic.

Rumbellow and Red Dog, i apologise if i wasnt supposed to "reveal" your identitys. As you are both now retired i really didnt think there would be an issue and i hope you both continue to post on the forum.

I must back up the other posters on here with regards to the Met on saturday. I honestly thought there was a terror scare or attack there was that many police there - some even had FULL balaclavas (it wasnt cold!). The treatment of city fans was the worst i have ever seen! Reddog, you have met Tin many times - he's hardly a football thug - yet he came away with two broken fingers, and he was following police orders!!!

I agree with every post on here - the police nowadays are just thugs. I appreciate that they have a tough job to do, but with society the way it is now with youngsters carrying guns and knives amongst other wepons, should the police not be focusing their attentions elsewhere?

I witnessed with my own eyes the police lashing out at shirt wearing fans on saturday, and for the life of me, i just couldnt see why. Something needs to be done!

[bcfc_4_life]

Now that last comment is off my chest, perhaps i can now get back to the original topic.

Rumbellow and Red Dog, i apologise if i wasnt supposed to "reveal" your identitys. As you are both now retired i really didnt think there would be an issue and i hope you both continue to post on the forum.

I must back up the other posters on here with regards to the Met on saturday. I honestly thought there was a terror scare or attack there was that many police there - some even had FULL balaclavas (it wasnt cold!). The treatment of city fans was the worst i have ever seen! Reddog, you have met Tin many times - he's hardly a football thug - yet he came away with two broken fingers, and he was following police orders!!!

I agree with every post on here - the police nowadays are just thugs. I appreciate that they have a tough job to do, but with society the way it is now with youngsters carrying guns and knives amongst other wepons, should the police not be focusing their attentions elsewhere?

I witnessed with my own eyes the police lashing out at shirt wearing fans on saturday, and for the life of me, i just couldnt see why. Something needs to be done!

No scum acting police officers are ever going to stop me wearing the football shirt of the team i love no matter how "hard" they act

[Dolman Block B]

Now that last comment is off my chest, perhaps i can now get back to the original topic.

Rumbellow and Red Dog, i apologise if i wasnt supposed to "reveal" your identitys. As you are both now retired i really didnt think there would be an issue and i hope you both continue to post on the forum.

I must back up the other posters on here with regards to the Met on saturday. I honestly thought there was a terror scare or attack there was that many police there - some even had FULL balaclavas (it wasnt cold!). The treatment of city fans was the worst i have ever seen! Reddog, you have met Tin many times - he's hardly a football thug - yet he came away with two broken fingers, and he was following police orders!!!

I agree with every post on here - the police nowadays are just thugs. I appreciate that they have a tough job to do, but with society the way it is now with youngsters carrying guns and knives amongst other wepons, should the police not be focusing their attentions elsewhere?

I witnessed with my own eyes the police lashing out at shirt wearing fans on saturday, and for the life of me, i just couldnt see why. Something needs to be done!

Spot on Marc

[paulie]

all these stories of the police being trigger happy has got me thinking,,ive got a good mind to set up a video camera at an away game in london hidden in my coat or somewhere,,then il make sure I'm at the front of the escort, aday game would be better for the picture quality,,,,i will comply with these police officers,,and then il wait for a surge from behind so that I'm forced into them,,no fault of my own,,,i would love to have video evidence of this behavior,,and i think i might just do it,,,only trouble is when theve battered me to the floor they will probably nick my camera,,only an idea but something needs to be done.