Enough Is Enough

[Riaz]

I like your facebook pictures riaz (link can be found at the bottom of your avitar). Especially the one where you are posing with a knife.

Now tell me more about your hatred of the Police. I expect your views match that of this nations views on youngsters that not only pose and carry, but use knifes as well.

Who's the scum and filth now? The Police or the likes of you that blatantly pose with knives.....

Well done, i am scum. you found me out! Posing with a knife, I'm such a criminal!

For your information, yes I do have a hatred of the police, due to me experiences with them, and saturday didnt exactly help my view on police.

As for knifes, I would never dream of or encourage anyone to carry a knife, anyone who does is a coward - I would rather die than carry a knife round with me.

You may think you have shamed me, but the link will stay where it is. I am not ashamed of my views, and I will always share my views no matter how much it goes against popular views.

I go to every city game at home, so if you see me be sure to say hello. If you met me in person, I'm sure you would'nt think I'm a thug/scum, despite my views on the police.

[tin]

Now that last comment is off my chest, perhaps i can now get back to the original topic.

Rumbellow and Red Dog, i apologise if i wasnt supposed to "reveal" your identitys. As you are both now retired i really didnt think there would be an issue and i hope you both continue to post on the forum.

I must back up the other posters on here with regards to the Met on saturday. I honestly thought there was a terror scare or attack there was that many police there - some even had FULL balaclavas (it wasnt cold!). The treatment of city fans was the worst i have ever seen! Reddog, you have met Tin many times - he's hardly a football thug - yet he came away with two broken fingers, and he was following police orders!!!

I agree with every post on here - the police nowadays are just thugs. I appreciate that they have a tough job to do, but with society the way it is now with youngsters carrying guns and knives amongst other wepons, should the police not be focusing their attentions elsewhere?

I witnessed with my own eyes the police lashing out at shirt wearing fans on saturday, and for the life of me, i just couldnt see why. Something needs to be done!

Thing is, what do you do? Unfortunately, without wanting or trying to sound like Red Goblin, even if you get the thugs collar number and press charges against them, you face an uphill battle for justice. In my case, I didn't get his collar number as it happened in a flash so I've got to put up with it, as have many others in similar positions.

I don't think all coppers are the same. Most of the old school, and I know a few of them, detest what the police have become nowadays and all agree the Met are the most hated bunch of basterds in the land. I agree something needs to be done to stop this sort of treatment but unless it comes from the top, certain forces will continue to be a law unto themselves for some time yet IMHO.

In the meantime reddog/rumbellow, keep posting. People aren't going to agree on everything.

[Chivs]

all these stories of the police being trigger happy has got me thinking,,ive got a good mind to set up a video camera at an away game in london hidden in my coat or somewhere,,then il make sure I'm at the front of the escort, aday game would be better for the picture quality,,,,i will comply with these police officers,,and then il wait for a surge from behind so that I'm forced into them,,no fault of my own,,,i would love to have video evidence of this behavior,,and i think i might just do it,,,only trouble is when theve battered me to the floor they will probably nick my camera,,only an idea but something needs to be done.

Probably not wise if you look Brazilian

In all seriousness, surely someone knows a person from the BBC who could do this professionally. Charlton isn't far away. Or is football violence just not a ratings winner these days?

[StapleHillPhil]

Well done, i am scum. you found me out! Posing with a knife, I'm such a criminal!

As for knifes, I would never dream of or encourage anyone to carry a knife, anyone who does is a coward - I would rather die than carry a knife round with me.

So why the picture with the knife then? It seems a little unusual to be posing with such an item to me!

[Riaz]

So why the picture with the knife then? It seems a little unusual to be posing with such an item to me!

I'm not one for excuses, but I was'nt suppose to post it on facebook, it was amongst a load of other photos. My girlfriend did say when I first put them on there that I looked stupid - and that was the first time I realised I posted it.

we were just messing about when the photo was taken, trying to look 'gangster' as we call it - a bit Ali G ish.

[paulie]

Probably not wise if you look Brazilian

In all seriousness, surely someone knows a person from the BBC who could do this professionally. Charlton isn't far away. Or is football violence just not a ratings winner these days?

thatwould be ideal if it could be professionally filmed,,but most people have got a half decent digi cam with video on it ,,sureley if enough people shared the same views as on here something could be arranged,,one of the main reasons i am

really up there about this is because a good friend of mine was at the walsall game a few seasons back,and when we equlized he put one finger on each hand up to gesture 1 all ,and was then promply pushed over the advertising hoardings by plod,and then arrested,,this man is a mild mannered father of four who wouldent hurt a fly,,he was then assauted by plod after they nicked him his kids were their as well and when they asked plod if there dad was going to be let go they said no,,but we don't know how to get back said one of his kids,,,,buy a map said plod,,,anyway my mate ended up on medication ,and he had to have time off work,,it made the front page of the evening post also,,,but to my knowlege hes not been to an away game since........edit i think he was actually pulled over the advertising hoardings,to the horror and dis belief of his wife and kids,,any way i hope we can get something togetherto expose these thugs,not all coppers are the same but the ones that attend the football are generally from the same nest........u reds

[Bristol Boy]

I will not be abused by half wits,

Exactly what I thought when I saw a 45 year old couple rounded up by London's finest.....plus yours truly on Saturday.Then she was injured and an officer told me to mind my own business when I tried to help her-Oh and then, I was smashed in the chest by another of our boys & blue-My crime? I was at the front of an escort that was deliberately made late for the game and I was pushed.This forum probably isn't the best place to look for sympathy after those events and it's not the first tme that our supporters have been less than well trated by the Constabulary.

Hillsborough mean anything to you?

So all the best.

Keep smiling

[BournemouthRed]

Sorry but what a lot of rubbish on this thread.

I go to many rugby matches - home and away - involving Bath Rugby and there is no segregation, no police and no trouble.

So you lot really believe that the fact the police are there causes the problem ?

Utter and total garbage.

They may be heavy handed and get it wrong often as not but they are not the root of the problem.

Let us play Cardiff ( home or away ) with no travel restrictions, no ticket restictions, no segregation and no police presence.

Someone would probably get killed and many would get seriously hurt.

Same applies at most grounds across the country.

Get into the real ( and not very pleasant world ) of constant football hooliganism.

Spot on. At EVERY professional football match EVERY weekend up and down the country there are a minority who need a police presence to stop them hurting/intimidating somebody.

There are a significant number of people who go to football matches that are simply scumbags and it is something decent football fans will *always* have to put up with - the problems with the police are a side-effect of that.

Yes, the police get it wrong sometimes and should be held accountable but generally they do a good job and I am glad they are there. Can you imagine going to a match without the police there? I wouldn't fancy it.

[Barman]

Sorry but what a lot of rubbish on this thread.

I go to many rugby matches - home and away - involving Bath Rugby and there is no segregation, no police and no trouble.

So you lot really believe that the fact the police are there causes the problem ?

Utter and total garbage.

They may be heavy handed and get it wrong often as not but they are not the root of the problem.

Let us play Cardiff ( home or away ) with no travel restrictions, no ticket restictions, no segregation and no police presence.

Someone would probably get killed and many would get seriously hurt.

Same applies at most grounds across the country.

Get into the real ( and not very pleasant world ) of constant football hooliganism.

I 100% agree with you. Too many people like to bury their heads in the sand and blame the Police whenever they get 'harrased' at a football match, but it's like a chicken and egg question. What came first, the heavy Police presence or the knuckle-dragging ######wits who try and ruin our day every time we go away from home?

I was amazed at the numbers of Police awaiting us as we left the ground on Saturday, and to be honest, also slightly embarrassed. Get rid of the scum who follow us about, and you'd get rid of the over-zealous policing that tars us all with the same brush, and then the majority of us that know how to behave ourselves would be able to go to football without any of these problems.

[bcfc_4_life]

I 100% agree with you. Too many people like to bury their heads in the sand and blame the Police whenever they get 'harrased' at a football match, but it's like a chicken and egg question. What came first, the heavy Police presence or the knuckle-dragging ######wits who try and ruin our day every time we go away from home?

I was amazed at the numbers of Police awaiting us as we left the ground on Saturday, and to be honest, also slightly embarrassed. Get rid of the scum who follow us about, and you'd get rid of the over-zealous policing that tars us all with the same brush, and then the majority of us that know how to behave ourselves would be able to go to football without any of these problems.

Disagree, the police are treating football fans now all like hooligans, there are a lot of idiots in the police force these days, they just lash out even if people don't do anything, in some cases the police is the reason why trouble kicks off but also there are some cases where there are a few fans who start trouble off.

You mention get rid of the hooligans but how can people identify who starts it off? And even if they do get punished for it like a ban from attending matches what will stop them just making the journey up by train still to start trouble?

[Barman]

You mention get rid of the hooligans but how can people identify who starts it off? And even if they do get punished for it like a ban from attending matches what will stop them just making the journey up by train still to start trouble?

Exactly!! Hence why we all get tarred with the same brush. Seems to me that you are blaming the effect instead of the cause. I'm not saying the Police are completely blameless but how are they supposed to single out the w@nkers in a pub full of people? This season's away trips have been the worst for years, and its embarrassing because it makes it look like Bristol is stuck in the 70's.

[Riaz]

I 100% agree with you. Too many people like to bury their heads in the sand and blame the Police whenever they get 'harrased' at a football match, but it's like a chicken and egg question. What came first, the heavy Police presence or the knuckle-dragging ######wits who try and ruin our day every time we go away from home?

I was amazed at the numbers of Police awaiting us as we left the ground on Saturday, and to be honest, also slightly embarrassed. Get rid of the scum who follow us about, and you'd get rid of the over-zealous policing that tars us all with the same brush, and then the majority of us that know how to behave ourselves would be able to go to football without any of these problems.

On saturday there was no sign of trouble until the police showed up and stopped us from going down to the ground.

My question for you is, why should I miss the match, when I paid for my ticket and travel and I've done nothing wrong?

Not to mention the chance of getting arrested for no reason, like some did. I cant afford to get arrested I have a 14 month old son to look after! I'm sure if you would have been on our shoes on saturday, you'd have a very different view.

[Riaz]

Exactly!! Hence why we all get tarred with the same brush. Seems to me that you are blaming the effect instead of the cause. I'm not saying the Police are completely blameless but how are they supposed to single out the w@nkers in a pub full of people? This season's away trips have been the worst for years, and its embarrassing because it makes it look like Bristol is stuck in the 70's.

why did they make the assumption there were 'w@nkers' in that pub? there was no sign of trouble!

[Barman]

On saturday there was no sign of trouble until the police showed up and stopped us from going down to the ground.

My question for you is, why should I miss the match, when I paid for my ticket and travel and I've done nothing wrong?

Not to mention the chance of getting arrested for no reason, like some did. I cant afford to get arrested I have a 14 month old son to look after! I'm sure if you would have been on our shoes on saturday, you'd have a very different view.

why did they make the assumption there were 'w@nkers' in that pub? there was no sign of trouble!

Of course, you shouldn't have to miss the match if you've done nothing wrong, but are you seriously trying to tell me that the pub you were in was full of 'Mary Poppins' types? As others on here have said, you get a feel for places to avoid and steer clear if you don't want to get caught up in it. I have never been detained or inconvenienced by the Police in 24 years of following City. On saturday I was in the Springbok where the only problem I had was getting served!

Again, I'm not saying the Police are blameless and I know for a fact that a lot of them love the 'excitement' of policing football crowds. The fact remains that they are given an excuse to behave in this way by the significant numbers of idiots who follow us about.

As a footnote, it makes you realise how good the Avon and Somerset are when you see how other constabularies go about their business.

[Dolman Block B]

Of course, you shouldn't have to miss the match if you've done nothing wrong, but are you seriously trying to tell me that the pub you were in was full of 'Mary Poppins' types? As others on here have said, you get a feel for places to avoid and steer clear if you don't want to get caught up in it. I have never been detained or inconvenienced by the Police in 24 years of following City. On saturday I was in the Springbok where the only problem I had was getting served!

Again, I'm not saying the Police are blameless and I know for a fact that a lot of them love the 'excitement' of policing football crowds. The fact remains that they are given an excuse to behave in this way by the significant numbers of idiots who follow us about.

As a footnote, it makes you realise how good the Avon and Somerset are when you see how other constabularies go about their business.

Thats a good point about the A And S Police Barman.

Tommy was with his jolly few and is always polite to the City fans.

And tbh he knows who the nutters are so he also knows how to control them, with a smile and good judgement.

When most come off a train station they speak to the guy because i honestly belive they have some respect for the fellow.

And why not!

[paulie]

Of course, you shouldn't have to miss the match if you've done nothing wrong, but are you seriously trying to tell me that the pub you were in was full of 'Mary Poppins' types? As others on here have said, you get a feel for places to avoid and steer clear if you don't want to get caught up in it. I have never been detained or inconvenienced by the Police in 24 years of following City. On saturday I was in the Springbok where the only problem I had was getting served!

Again, I'm not saying the Police are blameless and I know for a fact that a lot of them love the 'excitement' of policing football crowds. The fact remains that they are given an excuse to behave in this way by the significant numbers of idiots who follow us about.

As a footnote, it makes you realise how good the Avon and Somerset are when you see how other constabularies go about their business.

i agree with your footnote barman,however maybe i want to go in a pub where there is a good atmosphere and a bit of tension and no I'm not a hoolie,and i also don't mind being put in a police escort for the saftey of us and them,but does that give them the right to batter people to the floor that have been pushed through no falt of there own,so maybe its them that give the hooligan element an excuse to kick off,,,,,edit ,,,i just remembered i don't agree with your footnote as ive just recalled what happend at the sags ground last season.

[Riaz]

Of course, you shouldn't have to miss the match if you've done nothing wrong, but are you seriously trying to tell me that the pub you were in was full of 'Mary Poppins' types? As others on here have said, you get a feel for places to avoid and steer clear if you don't want to get caught up in it. I have never been detained or inconvenienced by the Police in 24 years of following City. On saturday I was in the Springbok where the only problem I had was getting served!

Again, I'm not saying the Police are blameless and I know for a fact that a lot of them love the 'excitement' of policing football crowds. The fact remains that they are given an excuse to behave in this way by the significant numbers of idiots who follow us about.

As a footnote, it makes you realise how good the Avon and Somerset are when you see how other constabularies go about their business.

Ironically I was looking for the springbok pub to go in, but at white city tube station a copper told me the wrong direction! (he did point out he wasnt totally sure and was guessing co thats where the pubs were)

We got to Shepherds Bush and a few city fans approached us, because we were looking lost (there words) and they told us to go into O'Neils, because it was a good atmosphere, which I also thought once I got in there. I instantly saw recognisable faces. Up until last season I was a turnstile operater, and i saw some turnstile supervisors, who I know are not trouble makers. People were smiling and singing city songs - why would I think to steer clear, had no reason to think this - not until it was too late and police started to surround the pub.

My Problem was'nt the escort - because if i'd have got to the ground at 3, I would have forgotten about the whole situation. I was lucky - I never had my fingers broken for no reason. I wasnt grabbed and arrested for no reason.

[cider head]

Thats a good point about the A And S Police Barman.

Tommy was with his jolly few and is always polite to the City fans.

And tbh he knows who the nutters are so he also knows how to control them, with a smile and good judgement.

When most come off a train station they speak to the guy because i honestly belive they have some respect for the fellow.

And why not!

tiz true that arn...

[Riaz]

this is a fun thread....

your a man of few words....

but lots of posts. What ARE you up to??!!

[Redhyde]

He's trying to fill the page with his own name.

I intend to stop him.

[City Ben]

Interesting comments here from the Wolves CEO re Cardiff police insisting on coach-only for Wolves fans.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/t...ers/7230901.stm

Seems it's not only us who get annoyed with the police... I suppose it's mildly ironic that this comes from the team in the heart of the West Midland police force's area!

[bcfc_4_life]

Exactly!! Hence why we all get tarred with the same brush. Seems to me that you are blaming the effect instead of the cause. I'm not saying the Police are completely blameless but how are they supposed to single out the w@nkers in a pub full of people? This season's away trips have been the worst for years, and its embarrassing because it makes it look like Bristol is stuck in the 70's.

I'm sorry but i don't think there are many "w@nkers" who fellow city away, they certainly wherever their is trouble it always seems to be the "non hoolies" who get battered by the pigs, what i want to know is why they seem to attack everyone in a football shirt, was i right in reading somewhere that someone got stopped but he said he was off to watch the rugby and he got let through when football fans didn't?

I just feel sorry for the people who have to stand the stupid and "hard man" actions of the police like "tin",

Instead of attacking everyone they can why don't they instead of treating fans as hooligans/animals and treat us with a ounce of respect?.

I'm not totally blaming the pigs but i think most of them are more of a problem then a solution to these "few" hooligans that EVERY club has

[Nibor]

Interesting comments here from the Wolves CEO re Cardiff police insisting on coach-only for Wolves fans.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/t...ers/7230901.stm

Seems it's not only us who get annoyed with the police... I suppose it's mildly ironic that this comes from the team in the heart of the West Midland police force's area!

It's even more ironic because the comments come from the Wolves chairman who banned Cardiff fans from a game last year.

[Riaz]

It's even more ironic because the comments come from the Wolves chairman who banned Cardiff fans from a game last year.

Maybe this is Cardiffs way of getting back at wolves or there trying to be as awkward as possible??

[Mr Mosquito]

I like your facebook pictures riaz (link can be found at the bottom of your avitar). Especially the one where you are posing with a knife.

Now tell me more about your hatred of the Police. I expect your views match that of this nations views on youngsters that not only pose and carry, but use knifes as well.

Who's the scum and filth now? The Police or the likes of you that blatantly pose with knives.....

A few of this country's real scum and filth are blatantly posing with their guns below. Don't expect the Police to do anything about them though because they control the Police via their Toff inbred buddies....

[atyeoant]

Sorry but what a lot of rubbish on this thread.

I go to many rugby matches - home and away - involving Bath Rugby and there is no segregation, no police and no trouble.

So you lot really believe that the fact the police are there causes the problem ?

Utter and total garbage.

They may be heavy handed and get it wrong often as not but they are not the root of the problem.

Let us play Cardiff ( home or away ) with no travel restrictions, no ticket restrictions, no segregation and no police presence.

Someone would probably get killed and many would get seriously hurt.

Same applies at most grounds across the country.

Get into the real ( and not very pleasant world ) of constant football hooliganism.

Yet again someone brings up the "No trouble at Rugby" bo##ocks!!!!

Go to any rugby international in Cardiff and you will see plenty of trouble from rugby supporters in the pubs and clubs after the game. This always happens with no exceptions and always has. Perhaps you would like to put your theory to the test and go for a pint or two in Neath wearing your Bath colours, either following a game against the Ospreys or at any other time, perhaps not? Sure City have a hooligan element as do most clubs but the police were a clueless shambles on Saturday, there's no excuse for that. I will be complaining, the more that do the better.

[Mr Mosquito]

I like your facebook pictures riaz (link can be found at the bottom of your avitar). Especially the one where you are posing with a knife.

Now tell me more about your hatred of the Police. I expect your views match that of this nations views on youngsters that not only pose and carry, but use knifes as well.

Who's the scum and filth now? The Police or the likes of you that blatantly pose with knives.....

What about those that pose with chemical weapons spray ????!!!!!........

The criminal justice system in this country is the most inept, corrupt and class based in Western Europe.

[reddog]

What about those that pose with chemical weapons spray ????!!!!!........

The phrase "Lawful authority" might come into it somewhere I guess.

[Mr Mosquito]

The phrase "Lawful authority" might come into it somewhere I guess.

What happens when that 'lawful authority' is totally corrupt partly because it's so unashamedly class based?

[reddog]

What happens when that 'lawful authority' is totally corrupt partly because it's so unashamedly class based?

I'll have a pint of whatever you've been drinking