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Guest MightyRed

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Edit: I didnt read it properly first time!

Perhaps there were some irregularities with the £1m transfer of Lee Trundle. Like the price.

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From the fa.com

The FA has charged Bristol City FC, their player Enoch Showunmi and agent Charles Collymore with misconduct for matters relating to Showunmi's move to the club in 2006.

The club has been charged with a breach of the FA Football Agents Regulations for allegedly dealing with an unlicensed agent in respect of the engagement and/or registration of Showunmi between May and July 2006.

It is also alleged that the club broke FA Rules by paying £30,000 to licensed agent Charles Collymore purportedly for services provided by him under a representation contract with the club knowing that the payment was partly or wholly for services provided by an unlicensed agent.

Enoch Showunmi has been charged with engaging the services of an individual, who was not a licensed agent or entitled to act in such a capacity, to represent him in contract negotiations with Luton Town in or around February 2004 and between November 2005 and January 2006. He is also charged with using the same person for contract negotiations with Bristol City in or around May to July 2006.

Charles Collymore has been charged with entering into a sham arrangement with an unlicensed agent in respect of the engagement and registration of Showunmi with Bristol City. It is alleged that he received the payment of £30,000 from the club for services rendered in part or in full by the unlicensed agent.

All parties have until 18 April to respond to the charges.

These charges will be dealt with alongside existing charges against Collymore. The FA charged Collymore in October 2006 with a breach of the FA Football Agents Regulations. It is alleged that Collymore touted Showunmi, then of Luton Town, to Millwall without the knowledge or consent of Luton and in breach of League rules. It is alleged that Collymore breached The FA's Football Agents Regulations and/or the FIFA Players' Agents Regulations. There is no suggestion of any wrongdoing by Millwall FC.

Collymore was also charged with breaching the agents regulations in that it is alleged that he represented Showunmi without a written representation contract, or that he allegedly did not lodge the representation contract with The FA. Collymore denied the previous charges and requested a personal hearing.

Edit: Too slow again. I'm going to bed.

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downendcity

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So whats the betting then, fine or points ????
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Seeing as it relates to Enoch, perhaps the FA might give us some extra points, as compensation.

P.S. £30,000 to the agent! I hope we got him on sale on return.

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So whats the betting then, fine or points ????

So the FA are reacting to something which happened nearly two years ago even though all paper work has to be copied to them and so would have had the information that an allegedly unlicensed agent was involved from the outset? Two years? What exactly do people who "work" at the FA do? Oh I know! Busy themselves with the secretaries - perhaps!

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After all the media coverage about these football scandles with documentaries on tv etc, this is bound to be 'in the fashion' news, so will the fa show a stern hand.

Just had a call from my Dad who works at Airbus. It's already started there with Gas heads telling him were going to be deducted 10 points. Where do they come up with this sh*t?

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My understanding of the FA statement is this:

Enoch has a mate who is unlicensed - this unlicenced chap decided to tout Enoch around to firstly Millwall and then us. All of this done without Luton knowing about it.

The unlicenced chap goes to a registered agent and says - want to make money quickly? Represent Enoch and pass some of the agents fees to me. The agent Charles Collymore then purports to be Enoch's agent to Millwall and ourselves - we take him at face value and pay him his agent fee (and this is the bit we are getting charged with) knowing that the agent didnt do the agent's role 100% and some or all of the agents fee will go to Enoch's unlicensed mate.

So the FA have to prove that we knew the money was going to Enoch's mate or they have to prove that it pretty damn evident that the money will go to his mate.

I cannot imagine a situation that there is written evidence that this has occurred.

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Always was a little bit worried, after the whole Collymore affair happened, but remember SL at the time, stating he has no problems or issues with any transfers and feel that everything was above board and documented correctly.

Considering SL's business I'm sure he has everything clear as can be and the full story will come out in time.

Personally I'd be VERY suprised if found guilty.

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After all the media coverage about these football scandles with documentaries on tv etc, this is bound to be 'in the fashion' news, so will the fa show a stern hand.

you mean like they did with the Tevez deal?

can't see anything major happening to be honest.

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After all the media coverage about these football scandles with documentaries on tv etc, this is bound to be 'in the fashion' news, so will the fa show a stern hand.

Yeah, the fine might be more than the fee we paid the agent.

It won't be points, guaranteed.

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if the club have denied knowing that they knew part of the money was going to an unauthorized party, we shouldnt have anything to worry about!

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Nibor. In your good wisdom, what is the likely outcome should the club end up being the guilty party?

Heavy fine, points reduction etc etc.

I think if we're found guilty, which I doubt we will be because even if we are how can they prove we knew it was a sham, the most we'll get is fine the size of the fee we paid.

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Just had a call from my Dad who works at Airbus. It's already started there with Gas heads telling him were going to be deducted 10 points. Where do they come up with this sh*t?

ziul

Yep, had that here from a Gashead at work when I came back from lunch. He was in my ear harping on about how we're cheats and match-fixers but I swiftly told him he's a 'fat, stinky, one-toothed liar' for saying we're having points deducted and he soon piped down.

From what I've read in to this, I can't see how we can be found guilty if we were negotiating with this supposedly legit agent five months before charges were brought against him?

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knowing the FA though, it's been nearly 2 years since it happened and however long to charge us with any potential wrongdoings.

It's still going to be another few months or until it actually goes to court anyway.

the only thing they can do is fine us.

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hardly trivial, could be seen as a "bung" if found guilty of course.

We'll have to get promoted now. Need that 30 million to pay the fine!

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excuse me if this is a extremely idiotic question but.... What is a transfer embargo?

It's an embargo on transfers....... :noexpression:

seriously - it means we wouldn't be able to buy players.

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http://www.thisisbristol.com/displayNode.j...;pNodeId=144930

If found guilty, the club could face a substantial fine or even a transfer embargo. They will not face a points deduction.

Whilst I wouldnt say the same about some clubs, I don't think there is anyway SL would sanction a deal where he knew that there were significant rule breaches going on. I wonder how they could prove that City paid the agents fee and knew there was a back-hander going on. The only way that could be proved is presumably if City wrote 2 cheques, one to the agent, and one to A N other, or the agent who is dodgier than a 3 week old vindaloo testifying against us in court.

A transfer embargo wouldnt be a problem anyway, as we are giving the existing squad a chance of messing up the promotion push. It might stop getting rid of players, like Enoch though - OH MY GOD!

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The Man In Black

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If there is no "smoking gun" that links us to knowing that this chap was unlicensed and paying Collymore with that knowledge then I can't see any problem.

And personally, I can't believe that SL would ever do anything that broke the rules. Or actually have anything in writing to that effect.

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RED4LIFE

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Something slightly shady happening in a transfer deal? You will be telling me they used to fix the attendance in the 80's next :whistle:

In all seriousness, I don't believe that SL or GJ for that matter would knowingly do something underhand, that might cause harm to the club in anyway.

You also have to think would either GJ or Sl put the club at risk for someone of Showumni's ability?

He isnt exactly Messi is he?

Hopefully the FA will take that into account ;)

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Hang on...Enoch who?

Sheffield Wednesdays Enoch Showumni probably. Look have a gander around the dressing room at the Gate and if anyone answers to that name then its a fair cop.

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If the BBC documentary is anything to go by, if anything has been amiss, then the Club have been duped, unknowingly.

There must nowadays be so much documentation involved all going through the FA, surely anything odd would have been picked up.

No way would SL/GJ/CS sanction anything untoward............especially with a Player of Showaddywaddy's ability.

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If the BBC documentary is anything to go by, if anything has been amiss, then the Club have been duped, unknowingly.

There must nowadays be so much documentation involved all going through the FA, surely anything odd would have been picked up.

No way would SL/GJ/CS sanction anything untoward............especially with a Player of Showaddywaddy's ability.

Of course the FA will see that the club was duped. We were led to believe that what we were getting was a big, tall, strong, fast, striker who would put himself about using his hieght, weight strength and power and score goals regularly.

What we actually got was Enoch!

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Andy Stockhausen's back page article 'CITY ROCKED BY FA CHARGE' in today's EP, thankfully features the following paragraph:

"If found guilty, the club could face a substantial fine or even a transfer embargo. They will not face a points deduction."

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Andy Stockhausen's back page article 'CITY ROCKED BY FA CHARGE' in today's EP, thankfully features the following paragraph:

"If found guilty the club could face a substantial fine or a transfer embargo. They will not face a points deduction."

Would a transfer embargo mean that we couldn't then sell Enoch?

That would be poetic justice.

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uuummm, hint of sarcasim, i only just heard, i don't sit on the internet all day like SOME

Few other threads about though isnt there?

Anyway, I resent that! I work for a living....what else am I meant to do all day!

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Is Collymore the guy who featured heavily in that documentary/expose on telly a while back??

Might have missed it but have any other clubs being charged in respect to the evidence from that programme?? Or are we just the first of a load more charges to be brought by FA?? In which case we may be made an example of or set a precedent for those to follow ....

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looking at this link.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/foo...icle3708619.ece

Arsenal were fined £10,000 and given a suspended transfer ban in January for dealing with an unlicensed agent in negotiating the contract of Quincy Owusu-Abeyie, the forward, who has since left the club.

Even IF we are found guilty I would expect a similar sort of punishment.

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Tis to do with Enoch. Was told about this yesterday by a Lu'on fan of my acquaintance. It appears Lu'on have 17 of their own players on the same charge, and he was talking about another 10 point deduction. I'm not sure, can that be done? If it can, how does that leave City in all this? :noexpression:

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