cityloyal473 Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 7 hours ago, Bar BS3 said: That sounds like a lot of opinion from someone who doesn't seem to know very much about the subject in hand. You couldn't write a less accurate biography of Big Sam's credentials if you tried..! Quite. He's far from a dinosaur. Very underrated IMO. Think he'll do well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 11 hours ago, RedM said: I expect I'm alone, but anyway...it's a sad state for English football when the answer is Sam Allerdyce. Your not alone .... Football Engerland continues to find yet more reverse gears than an Italian tank....... Yours, Jurgen Klinsmann. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunnyfunt Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 I'm coming round to the idea of Big Sam. A few points on Allardyce. He's one of the most innovative managers around (one of the first to use pro zone etc). We may well form some kind of identity with our play and have a system to suit our players. The direct/long approach isn't his only format. Playing Defoe up top on his own for Sunderland proves that surely. On a one off game he can get it right tactically. He's out mastered Wenger plenty of times, as well as Mourinho moaning about him once before about parking the bus etc. Hopefully he gets something out of these players. The Portugal manager wasn't fancied before he took over and although it wasn't pretty, he's ended up a national legend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunnyfunt Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 7 hours ago, Robbored said: I've never been a fan of Allardyce and I reckon he lacks the experience ,finesse or the insight you need to be an international manager. I can't wait for England's next match to see Allardyce chewing his gum........ Fergie chewed gum. He wasn't bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 8 hours ago, Taz said: Two completely different scenarios. The number of foreign players in the game, has, and will continue to affect the number of English players playing at the top level. The likes of Chelsea, Arsenal and more recently both Manchester clubs, buy these talented youngsters early, stockpile them, and then buy even more talent from abroad. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, as it will help the development of the young English players, but there needs to be a limit. More and more the English players are having to drop out of the top league to get game time, either that or stick it out in the u21s. English players by and large play in England. The talented French,German, Spanish, and so on, play all over the world. Why do they not buy English? As for the foreign manager/coach - why not? Perhaps it's a different type of coaching elsewhere around the world, perhaps we've not caught up with it yet? Let's be fair, there is no English manager that stands out, other than maybe Howe? At this stage in his career, maybe it's too early, but personally, I would have liked him. Don't get me wrong, I'm not for or against foreign or English when it comes to the managers job. It should go to the best person available. Perhaps that is Sam, I don't know. Let's be honest though, there is something wrong with the setup here, and it's been wrong for so long, I don't think anyone really knows what it is. I think it needs a fresh perspective, from outside. England never seem to get it right. We have supposedly, some of the best crop of English players for many years, yet they still look so far off of an average side. Agree with alot of that. Especially when you say there is done thing wrong with the setup here. Why we continually underachieve is incredible given the level of coaching the England players get at their clubs on a daily basis - why they can't perform for our country is just so frustrating. And we apparently are the best payers in the world when it comes to the England manager's salary so we should always get the best, but we don't. Other countries' players just seem so much more 'up for it' than our guys when it comes to the crunch. And I don't believe the theory that our players feel a greater weight of expectation than other countries. That's rubbish, Brazil and Germany are expected to win everything by their fans, and that hasn't stopped them doing rather well for decades... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 42 minutes ago, Cunnyfunt said: Fergie chewed gum. He wasn't bad. Personally I really dislike seeing managers chewing gum. Coleman, Ferguson and Allardyce to name just three. It looks awful and if Allardyce carries on doing it as England manager we'll be mocked throughout Europe....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sodburyred Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 35 minutes ago, Robbored said: Personally I really dislike seeing managers chewing gum. Coleman, Ferguson and Allardyce to name just three. It looks awful and if Allardyce carries on doing it as England manager we'll be mocked throughout Europe....... Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 Apart from Coleman - a Brit , what other international mangers do you see chewing gum? Nuff said..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 1 hour ago, Robbored said: Personally I really dislike seeing managers chewing gum. Coleman, Ferguson and Allardyce to name just three. It looks awful and if Allardyce carries on doing it as England manager we'll be mocked throughout Europe....... What a bizarre statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 4 minutes ago, Rocky said: What a bizarre statement. You haven't scrolled through this thread have you.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 Average manager with Average players. Perfect fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 1 hour ago, BS4 on Tour... said: Agree with alot of that. Especially when you say there is done thing wrong with the setup here. Why we continually underachieve is incredible given the level of coaching the England players get at their clubs on a daily basis - why they can't perform for our country is just so frustrating. And we apparently are the best payers in the world when it comes to the England manager's salary so we should always get the best, but we don't. Other countries' players just seem so much more 'up for it' than our guys when it comes to the crunch. And I don't believe the theory that our players feel a greater weight of expectation than other countries. That's rubbish, Brazil and Germany are expected to win everything by their fans, and that hasn't stopped them doing rather well for decades... Exactly, you pay top dollar you expect quality and class. What do we get.... In theory England should do really well at every tournament they play in, because no bugger expects them to do anything so there is no expectation level to live up to!!!! Who knows, new manager might get us playing a different way and with a different belief. Then again how long have we been saying that!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderMB Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 Foreign or not, he's the best man for the job. We've tried foreign talent. We've tried the English "thinking man". We've tried foreign authoritarians that have won it all. We've tried the English journeyman. None of them work, because the team is shit. The Premier League has inflated the worth of our players through the home-grown quota, and players we consider to be up there with the best in the world get shown up every two years on an even playing field. Big Sam specialises in turning a shit team into a working unit capable of winning games, and England are a shit team. What I will say on the subject is that it's embarrassing that our best options right now are Big Sam and Steve Bruce. The FA need to immediately address the shortage of viable English managers because in the next four years when Big Sam is likely out of a job, we go back to either Steve Bruce or Eddie Howe as the best options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 1 hour ago, Robbored said: Personally I really dislike seeing managers chewing gum. Coleman, Ferguson and Allardyce to name just three. It looks awful and if Allardyce carries on doing it as England manager we'll be mocked throughout Europe....... Lowe has an itch, so performs a scratch and sniff. Yeah it was mentioned for a few days but now it's yesterday's news. I don't see that chewing gum will result in us being mocked throughout Europe. Playing like a bunch of strangers and not performing any better than a pub team however..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 Good manager, probably the best available English manager right now for the job. No need to rush giving it to someone like Howe, he's got plenty of time to mature and improve. Allardyce seems a bit unfashionable to people, and in many ways this feels similar to when Cotterill took over here. Regarded as a manager who plays poor football, but sets his teams up to be hard working and tough. I also think, like Cotterill, he's judged slightly for his accent. If he wasn't so overweight and northern, I think people would perceive Allardyce as a bit more sophisticated - which he is really. Looking forward to seeing players picked on form and a few new faces getting games like Antonio, Noble, Cresswell and Andre Grey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Exiled Robin Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 It's an appointment that seems to have split football fans across the country. I offer my opinions on the man charged with restoring some pride to the England shirt http://exiledrobin.blogspot.co.uk/2016/07/big-sam-allardyce-england-manager.html Comments/thoughts welcome as always... MODS: I know there's another Big Sam thread but as this is a more complete blog post can it be kept seperate so it doesn't get lost amongst the hundreds of other comments? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roe Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 Should have had it 10 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 11 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said: ....so after the non-hilarious ridiculing of ex-City manager Roy Hodgson by loads calling him 'Woy' we're now gonna call Sam Allardyce 'Fat Sam' - any danger of ever giving the England manager a bit of respect?! RESPECT . Just who does our society respect ? Teachers ? Police ? Politicians ? Religious leaders ? Royalty ? The barriers have been torn down by the media and those who have betrayed trust and lost our respect . Respect has to be earned but it's not easy when everyone wants to bring authority down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sodburyred Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 On a side note he also has family who live in Chipping Sodbury and has been semi regularly seen in the high street. Be nice to say I've drank in the same pub as the England manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 27 minutes ago, Taz said: Lowe has an itch, so performs a scratch and sniff. Yeah it was mentioned for a few days but now it's yesterday's news. I don't see that chewing gum will result in us being mocked throughout Europe. Playing like a bunch of strangers and not performing any better than a pub team however..... If he can just avoid blowing bubbles with his gum during matches ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin1988 Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 11 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said: If, and it's a big if, Klinsmann was interested in the job, then the FA have missed a trick. Did well with the USA, and couldn't give a crap if he's German or not. Is that so? https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2016/jun/02/jurgen-klinsmann-usa-coach-copa-america 12 minutes ago, Major Isewater said: The barriers have been torn down by the media and those who have betrayed trust and lost our respect . Respect has to be earned but it's not easy when everyone wants to bring authority down. The media? How about you give people some responsibility for their own actions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 Oh ****. Uncle TFR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheddarReds Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 I'm currently reading a book called 'The Manager'. In the book the author speaks to managers on all sorts of different aspects of management. The latest chapter was on how to create a high performance side. Sam Allardyce was the manager who he spoke to for this chapter. Having read through it, it makes me feel confident Sam has the ability to create a team who work for each other to get results (as proven recently at Sunderland). In the chapter, although he does talk about the importance of keeping up technology and the advantage it gave him when he was one of the first to use it, a lot of the chapter is about "collective believe", "clarity", "selflessness" and how to positively respond to pressure and how he has/does create/ manage these to create a performing team. After the Euros, where we seemed tactically lost, without ideas and scared to take risks I hope that Sam can at least help sort out basics like how we play on and off the ball and give the team some inspiration and togetherness. And yes his type of football has been branded as long ball and not entertaining at times but I'd rather we get results nasty than lose trying to play pretty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 However much we don't want to accept it we are a Sunderland of International football. Our record in all major tournaments over the last 75 years ( except for 3 tournaments) proves it. A very average International football team now has a manager to fit, end of! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfred Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 3 hours ago, Robbored said: Personally I really dislike seeing managers chewing gum. Coleman, Ferguson and Allardyce to name just three. It looks awful and if Allardyce carries on doing it as England manager we'll be mocked throughout Europe....... I'd take chewing gum over sniffing a hand after it had been in an armpit, like World Cup winning coach Joachim Low..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 1 hour ago, Super said: Average manager with Average players. Perfect fit. It's sad that there aren't a plethora of alternative options, but I think a fairer assessment of his credentials should read... A manager who does well taking over jobs where the team are under performing and getting the most out of average players. With that in mind, he could do ok. I say "ok" because I don't think ANY manager would turn us into work beaters. The whole structure of the Premiership squads needs to change for there to be any chance of that and it's simply not going to happen. Is he a manager that will build the foundations for future success & development..? No. Is he a manager that might get an overpaid bunch of waster to perform a little bit better and stop embarrassing us..? Hopefully, yes. The problems are far too deep rooted to be fixed anytime soon, so a bit of motivation and playing to people's strengths might just get a few results that push us on in the World Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 1 hour ago, Robin1988 said: Is that so? https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2016/jun/02/jurgen-klinsmann-usa-coach-copa-america The media? How about you give people some responsibility for their own actions ' those who have betrayed our trust and lost our respect ' the clue is there . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin1988 Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 33 minutes ago, CheddarReds said: I'm currently reading a book called 'The Manager'. In the book the author speaks to managers on all sorts of different aspects of management. The latest chapter was on how to create a high performance side. Sam Allardyce was the manager who he spoke to for this chapter. Having read through it, it makes me feel confident Sam has the ability to create a team who work for each other to get results (as proven recently at Sunderland). In the chapter, although he does talk about the importance of keeping up technology and the advantage it gave him when he was one of the first to use it, a lot of the chapter is about "collective believe", "clarity", "selflessness" and how to positively respond to pressure and how he has/does create/ manage these to create a performing team. After the Euros, where we seemed tactically lost, without ideas and scared to take risks I hope that Sam can at least help sort out basics like how we play on and off the ball and give the team some inspiration and togetherness. And yes his type of football has been branded as long ball and not entertaining at times but I'd rather we get results nasty than lose trying to play pretty. It's easy to forget just how much of a shambles Sunderland have been at the back for the past few years, even when they were completing great escapes under old managers. They only lost five games in the last half of the season and conceded 25 goals; that's only nine more than Man City if you extrapolate it over a whole season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 12 minutes ago, redfred said: I'd take chewing gum over sniffing a hand after it had been in an armpit, like World Cup winning coach Joachim Low..... You noticed Lowe's habit just as many other have. The England manager chewing gum will get noticed and send out the ring image. Hopefully the FA will tell him not to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Dawe Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 16 minutes ago, Robbored said: You noticed Lowe's habit just as many other have. The England manager chewing gum will get noticed and send out the ring image. Hopefully the FA will tell him not to do it. Allardyce projects an appearance of confidence, certainty, competence and control. Unlike the last poor bloke. Forgetting style for the time being, this strikes me as what this team badly needs, strong, certain leadership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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