Major Isewater Posted August 11, 2017 Report Share Posted August 11, 2017 Yes that's right . I am glad that Engvall hasn't slotted effortlessly into the first team to replace Tammy . The reason is that with all these statistics , videos , sports science etc the game is played by human beings with all their qualities and failings . Thanks Gus for the reminder. Good luck to you and I hope you make it with us or wherever you are happy . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londoner Posted August 11, 2017 Report Share Posted August 11, 2017 3 minutes ago, Major Isewater said: Yes that's right . I am glad that Engvall hasn't slotted effortlessly into the first team to replace Tammy . The reason is that with all these statistics , videos , sports science etc the game is played by human beings with all their qualities and failings . Thanks Gus for the reminder. Good luck to you and I hope you make it with us or wherever you are happy . Ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamalagerdrinker Posted August 11, 2017 Report Share Posted August 11, 2017 I always sell him on Football Manager for whatever reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Hitler Posted August 11, 2017 Report Share Posted August 11, 2017 I too am similarly delighted when an expensive highly-paid signing turns out to be useless; it gives me a nice warm glow inside. We all think fondly of a past player that I can only refer to as "the master": Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted August 11, 2017 Report Share Posted August 11, 2017 another thread on him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted August 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 11, 2017 38 minutes ago, Eddie Hitler said: I too am similarly delighted when an expensive highly-paid signing turns out to be useless; it gives me a nice warm glow inside. We all think fondly of a past player that I can only refer to as "the master": Full name Nicholas Isaac Hunt . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted August 11, 2017 Report Share Posted August 11, 2017 Engval will be back when the Swedish league end in November. He's playing at a decent level, getting fitter and gaining crucial experience. Just what all young players need especially when they're down the striking pecking order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jj77 Posted August 11, 2017 Report Share Posted August 11, 2017 I think I understand what you're saying. It gave me a little shiver when Little Johnson says he was signing the new Swedish kid based on the statistics before seeing him play. I must be too old school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted August 11, 2017 Report Share Posted August 11, 2017 14 minutes ago, Robbored said: Engval will be back when the Swedish league end in November. He's playing at a decent level, getting fitter and gaining crucial experience. Just what all young players need especially when they're down the striking pecking order. Thanks Lee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon uk Posted August 11, 2017 Report Share Posted August 11, 2017 18 minutes ago, jj77 said: I think I understand what you're saying. It gave me a little shiver when Little Johnson says he was signing the new Swedish kid based on the statistics before seeing him play. I must be too old school. Yeah, and if he doesnt settle due to the physical nature of the league, which the stats wont cater for, i will write to rhe 2 people in charge of recruitment and suggest rather forcefully they reconsider their positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted August 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 11, 2017 24 minutes ago, jj77 said: I think I understand what you're saying. It gave me a little shiver when Little Johnson says he was signing the new Swedish kid based on the statistics before seeing him play. I must be too old school. Isn't it just great that human beings can't be transformed into mere numbers and statistics ? How boring would football be without this unquantifiable element. How do you measure spirit, emotion, mood ? ( not gills ! ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted August 11, 2017 Report Share Posted August 11, 2017 Well, I quite like him and hope he does well. Hasn't had many chances to show us what he can do here yet, but I can see something in him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted August 11, 2017 Report Share Posted August 11, 2017 9 hours ago, iamalagerdrinker said: I always sell him on Football Manager for whatever reason He turned out really well for me. Scored the winning goal in the playoff final in 18/19 to send us up. Sold him to Villa in Jan 2020 for £8m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC RISK77 Posted August 11, 2017 Report Share Posted August 11, 2017 Am I the only one that from what I have seen he is bang average..happy to be shot down and won't care...just a genuine question..he has looked utter pony trap to me whenever he has had a chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBW Posted August 11, 2017 Report Share Posted August 11, 2017 Worst starting post I've seen in a long, long time. I'd rather every player we signed worked out. If the game and analytics are surpassing your understanding of the game, get to a casino and play roulette instead. There's something you won't need to try and understand. Statistics and analytics game have a huge affect on the production of anything, especially sports teams progress. If you think we'd be better off without them then you're very much mistaken. Take a look at the movie Moneyball for a really basic look at how one change can have a huge impact on a team's progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTFiGO!?! Posted August 12, 2017 Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 15 hours ago, Major Isewater said: Isn't it just great that human beings can't be transformed into mere numbers and statistics ? How boring would football be without this unquantifiable element. How do you measure spirit, emotion, mood ? ( not gills ! ) You probably can physiologically, through brain scans and psychological testing. Research findings are still disputable, though. I suspect professional football clubs more predominantly and inadvertently rely on the innate emotional intelligence of scouts, coaches and managers as well as the tried and tested approach of tapping up contacts and gleaming reputation i.e./ "ere, you used to play with player x in the academy at Arsenal. What was he like as a person? Who Smudger? Good lad, boss. Proper bants. Sign him up I would!". There was an interesting article on here lately suggesting clubs are doing a lot more profiling than they used to (and why wouldn't you if you're about to fork out six, seven and eight figure sums?). How true that actually is across all clubs, I really have no idea. My colleague who takes interviews says he looks for three things: 1)Can they do the job? 2)Would I want them around me in a crisis? 3)How are they going to fit in with other staff? I suspect that's a fairly standard blueprint in most jobs. I agree with Robin TBW as well though. Really, a football manager should build as big a picture as possible, I should imagine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamalagerdrinker Posted August 12, 2017 Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 8 hours ago, Phileas Fogg said: He turned out really well for me. Scored the winning goal in the playoff final in 18/19 to send us up. Sold him to Villa in Jan 2020 for £8m. He does always bring in a decent price Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meh Posted August 12, 2017 Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 17 hours ago, Major Isewater said: Isn't it just great that human beings can't be transformed into mere numbers and statistics ? Oh ssshhhh Community Reputation 11,647 !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted August 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 9 hours ago, Robin TBW said: Worst starting post I've seen in a long, long time. I'd rather every player we signed worked out. If the game and analytics are surpassing your understanding of the game, get to a casino and play roulette instead. There's something you won't need to try and understand. Statistics and analytics game have a huge affect on the production of anything, especially sports teams progress. If you think we'd be better off without them then you're very much mistaken. Take a look at the movie Moneyball for a really basic look at how one change can have a huge impact on a team's progress. Clearly a lack of understanding on your part Robin and for that I'm sorry. I just wanted to highlight the fact that amongst all this science and statistics which seem to imply that an athlete can be quantified it is , for me , refreshing that sometimes the human element comes to the fore. You are , of course , entitled to rubbish my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GIBBO THE GREAT Posted August 12, 2017 Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 23 hours ago, jj77 said: I think I understand what you're saying. It gave me a little shiver when Little Johnson says he was signing the new Swedish kid based on the statistics before seeing him play. I must be too old school. Johnson Out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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