Merrick's Marvels Posted November 4, 2017 Report Share Posted November 4, 2017 24 minutes ago, Robbored said: The 2008 squad were sent out to defend as a priority. This current squad are sent out to win the game as attractively as as possible. The current season (so far) is on a par with the great stuff that Danny Wilson played but with better players and at a higher level. Im enjoying the football that LJ is serving up. I will concede that Basso was just about a better keeper than FF, based largely on FF weak kicking. heavens above man, Basso is infinitely superior. with all due respect to frankie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted November 4, 2017 Report Share Posted November 4, 2017 Vasko over Flint perhaps?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted November 4, 2017 Report Share Posted November 4, 2017 1 hour ago, WessexPest said: I think by some considerable distance. As good as that team was, we had some pretty brutal defeats - 0-3 at Barnsley, 0-6 at Ipswich. Our goal difference was barely positive. Weird that we limped over the promotion line in 06/07 only to set the higher league alight the following year. Very good promotion sides in 1998 and 2015 yet we were shocking in the second tier both following seasons. We've already had a brutal 3-0 defeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted November 4, 2017 Report Share Posted November 4, 2017 43 minutes ago, GrahamC said: You seriously think that this squad has a "far superior" goalie than Basso then? You don't think that the 2008 squad "understood their jobs"? Let's see if this lot can match their playoff final appearance before crowing too much. For what it is worth Basso, Orr, Elliott and McIndoe would definitely get in, Adebola and Carey might, the latter despite CB being very strong for us this season. I thought about mentioning adebola - much maligned by some, erroneously imo. And I'll take Paterson over McIndoe. Carey doesn't get in for me because, as you say, CB is particularly strong at the mo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted November 4, 2017 Report Share Posted November 4, 2017 39 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said: C'mon I loved that team but is Elliot better than Korey or Carey better then Flint or wright,we had spirit that season but don't tell me you think they would get in this team Elliott as a high energy destroyer is superior to the marvellous Korey imo. In that season 2007/08 he was a force of nature, his annus mirabilis, and covered every blade of grass week in week out (don't forget - he had to do the running for 2 in midfield that season ) and also weighed in with some crucial goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 4, 2017 Report Share Posted November 4, 2017 @Merrick's Marvels Ah Marv...how good was he that year? Quite a decent number of his goals that year were screamers too, IIRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted November 4, 2017 Report Share Posted November 4, 2017 Quick answer , yes. But .... The League is better , and much harder now Imo. We are more aware, cleverer , and carry more consistent threat. The GJ side overachieved in that season massively, a little like the start of last year when kitchen sink football got us points. This year we are where we are on merit, playing some great stuff and are more street wise as well. I don't think we have to achieve the same to say this lot are as good, as I said the League has moved on even in those 9 short years. If we could match their finishing position it would be great, but even if we don't I still think the current side is better. I would say a fully firing Elliot would be close as would Macindoe and Basso, but apart from the keeper you would have a case to pick the current player over the other 2 from 2008. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrongagain Posted November 4, 2017 Report Share Posted November 4, 2017 Big difference is that we have a young hungry squad, loads of skill and potential, Wembley and hull we fielded a team that to a man would have collected their P45’s had we beaten Hull! the disappointment of that defeat still haunts me just as much as the memory of the team that did not play for the shirt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyInWeston Posted November 4, 2017 Report Share Posted November 4, 2017 I think the fact of the matter is, that now, barring the top big 3 Prem teams, the top 12 in the championship could give any other team left in the Prem a run for their money. If our current 3 wins counted vs Prem teams this season, we'd be 17th in the Prem despite every other team having played 11 games to our THREE and we STILL wont be inside the relegation zone. The Prem may be one of the most watched/of interest in the world, but the Championship adds unpredictability because anyone can beat anyone. IMO the Championship is the better league. Dont think our 2008 team would match when back then there was a clear difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynriley Posted November 5, 2017 Report Share Posted November 5, 2017 1 hour ago, BA14 RED said: Easily better. This League has improved since and that side rode a lot of luck imo. Nonsense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted November 5, 2017 Report Share Posted November 5, 2017 they have the work ethic of the 2008 team the togetherness plus that little bit extra that separate's a good team from a great one, we are, if we can keep them together on the verge of something special . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted November 5, 2017 Report Share Posted November 5, 2017 29 minutes ago, glynriley said: Nonsense He's right we did but we have at Wolves and Brentford this season so not sure what his point is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRL Posted November 5, 2017 Report Share Posted November 5, 2017 Far better. The 2008 team relied on a work ethic,lots of low scoring wins and a load of luck... luck they earned through hard graft. This team is playing against much better players and are bossing games for long periods... and scoring. Will they end up higher up the table than the class of 2008? Who knows. Are they better than the class of 2008? By a country mile imo. Our top scorer back then I am sure netted just 8 times. We have a player over that already and a defender half way there already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanatopia Posted November 5, 2017 Report Share Posted November 5, 2017 4 hours ago, steveybadger said: The current team can do all the 08 team could do plus a lot more. But I can't agree the latter would get relegated - the rock solid team spirit, Commitment right until the end ( how many late goals?) and excellent defence would have meant they'd be nowhere near, IMHO. Bit of a modern day Barnsley then? 4 hours ago, Phileas Fogg said: One of my biggest regrets watching City is feeling that we never got the best out of Lee Trundle - genius on his day. Remember he was 30 when he joined us. Big mistake spending a million on him I reckon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted November 5, 2017 Report Share Posted November 5, 2017 Bradley and Marv would be definites for me. Basso perhaps but I`m probably in a minority in never being a huge fan of him - don`t know why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted November 5, 2017 Report Share Posted November 5, 2017 9 hours ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Bit disrespectful IMHO We had some wily players with big hearts and were an efficient unit and difficult to beat Someone like McIndoe or Marv , Bradley Orr would all fit in perfectly and enhance this squad / side Not for me. Wasn't meant in a disrespectful way, is just my opinion. Elliott and Orr and maybe Carey are 3 that would've been okay. Maybe Jamie Mac too. Football has completely changed since then. We played 4-4-2- or 4-4-1-1 with a ball winning CM, ball playing CM and wingers; that doesn't happen anymore. Out and out wingers are now just wide midfielders because football is now so much more possession/passing based you dont just a winger the ball for him to run with every time now. We hardly scored any goals that season as well. If we had a strike force of Adebola, Showunmi, Byfield and Trundle now against teams that are naturally much stronger and quicker now we wouldn't be able to get in behind anyone. Relying on Being hard working doesn't cut it in the championship anymore, maybe in L1 is still does. Teams like Burton and Bolton will rely on hard work over talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted November 5, 2017 Report Share Posted November 5, 2017 In terms of actual footballing ability, yes head and shoulders above. It was the team spirit and ‘die for each other’ attitude that took us so close in 07/08 and you can see exactly why that’s what LJ is trying to emulate here (ie getting Tomlin out) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted November 5, 2017 Report Share Posted November 5, 2017 10 hours ago, Robbored said: This current squad is managed by a far better and deeper thinking manager and therefore this squad understands completely what their job is. LJ has signed players that have the ability to adopt different formations and styles of play as required - something pretty much unheard of in 2008. This squad is far superior in every department. A lot of you have rubbished Robbo's post here, which I know is the default position for some but there is a good point here. I don't agree with the "deeper thinking Manager" part, for his time johnson Sr was quite innovative in his use of stats and targets he set players. He was however more similar to Warnock than his son in other ways. He brought together a team of journeymen and built them into a tough to beat unit, but he left no legacy. This team is still growing and even if LJ was to leave tomorrow, you feel he would leave us with a legacy for another Manager to build on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olé Posted November 5, 2017 Report Share Posted November 5, 2017 This was basically the exam question Channel 5 set for the soundbite after the match (they always ask for comment on a specific question, not the match itself). It's much easier to type the answer I gave yesterday and be more coherent: this team is much better because it has the ingredient of skill. It has patterns of play and technical ability for higher up the leagues which I think is why the three cup games against Prem teams, albeit weakened, have looked evenly matched. As per my remark yesterday, the team ten years ago had heart, and it had graft, but teams that go up and survive have technical ability and skill, they're not just the ones briefly punching above their weight. I would say even today I would back the team of ten years ago to be more resilient and never say die than the current crop, but in LJ's own words, the 'bouncebackability' has improved this year (we are yet to go into meltdown), and on every other measure this team is better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairman Mao Posted November 5, 2017 Report Share Posted November 5, 2017 Basso was excellent, Elliot that season was outstanding, Orr was fantastic defensively and McIndoe was a fine winger. All 4 I would wager would get in the team for me Basso, Orr, Bryan, Flint, Baker, McIndoe, Smith, Brownhill, Paterson, Reid, Fammy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILINFRANCE Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 On 11/4/2017 at 23:46, Robbored said: Certainly Marv and/or Noble. Two very different types of midfielder. Marv could provide the 'bite' this current squad sometimes lack and Noble the sheer class that's been missing since he left, Imagine Noble at his best playing for LJ now. He'd be even more impressive. Noble certainly was class (on the pitch), but it was too infrequent and, even then, rarely lasted 90 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 6 minutes ago, PHILINFRANCE said: Noble certainly was class (on the pitch), but it was too infrequent and, even then, rarely lasted 90 minutes. I am not sure that off field he would have fitted the required DNA profile either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 The Marv that played in that playoff season was fantastic, would walk into this team now for sure. As a defensive unit I would go with the 2008 team but flair, excitement and attacking play certainly todays team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Team Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 Whilst some of the players are better now they will only be a better team if they win the play off final (or get auto promotion). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 On 05/11/2017 at 07:17, petehinton said: We hardly scored any goals that season as well. If we had a strike force of Adebola, Showunmi, Byfield and Trundle now against teams that are naturally much stronger and quicker now we wouldn't be able to get in behind anyone. Yes, we scored 54 goals that season. Already, after one third of the season, we have scored 26 this term. Similarly we conceded 53 in 07/08, this year, after one third of the season, we have conceded 16. Extrapolate those and you roughly get to scored 75, conceded 45 this season. GD +30 would be huge. We're better both at the back and going forward, and all that against stronger, fitter, more skilful opposition. For me you'd maybe take Basso and Orr into the starting XI and then probably include Carey and Elliott in the squad...but other than that I'm not sure who you would have from that 07/08 team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILINFRANCE Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 35 minutes ago, Port Said Red said: I am not sure that off field he would have fitted the required DNA profile either. Hence the reason for the bracketed portion - Noble certainly was class (on the pitch). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxy27 Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 Of the squad back then, the only ones who in my opinion would be in our first team squad now are: Basso, Orr, McAllister, Noble, McIndoe, Trundle, Elliott and Adebola. Of that lot, Basso, Orr, Elliott and McIndoe would be in contention for starting places, the rest would be squad players. So based on that. We're better now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1bristolcity Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 In that season we were very fortunate to be where we ended up, OK it was fun apart from the last horrible episode, but it seemed every time we lost all those around us lost and when we won all around us lost...shame our luck couldn't hold out for another 90 minutes. This team is better in every respect, but I want Pisano back asap, the Twin Towers at the back is the best in this division, and we have the best forward by a country mile in Reid, O'Dowda, Smith, Djuric, Fammy, Joe, the whole bunch are class, and the whole team is a confident relaxed bunch .Add to that the best coach in the league well apart from Bruce I guess, it is frightening what they can achieve.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 On 04/11/2017 at 22:46, Robbored said: Noble the sheer class that's been missing since he left It was missing for most of the time he was here, too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Robin Posted November 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 1 hour ago, 1bristolcity said: In that season we were very fortunate to be where we ended up, OK it was fun apart from the last horrible episode, but it seemed every time we lost all those around us lost and when we won all around us lost...shame our luck couldn't hold out for another 90 minutes. This team is better in every respect, but I want Pisano back asap, the Twin Towers at the back is the best in this division, and we have the best forward by a country mile in Reid, O'Dowda, Smith, Djuric, Fammy, Joe, the whole bunch are class, and the whole team is a confident relaxed bunch .Add to that the best coach in the league well apart from Bruce I guess, it is frightening what they can achieve.. Bit early to be on the natch mate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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