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Davefevs

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  1. Asked @hodge the other day for his view on u23 football from a development point of view. Interesting that Brentford’s B Team play a wide range of opposition, not just English team’s either. Their recruitment list is probably deep enough for it not to be a problem
  2. I don’t think he’s bombproof after that interview last night.
  3. Agree with this....and in fairness to @JonDolman (who I do like a good old debate with ) I don’t think his OP was trying to do that. But to me, it has become very clear, we are a mess (of sorts). MIllwall is kill or cure (temporary cure probably more apt).
  4. Two huge CBs and a third one who’s not quite so huge!
  5. He was, met him when he was manager at Carlisle, in a Windsor Hotel....I was visiting Legoland! Had a nice little chat, told him I was a City fan, and that he should be proud that as an ex-Rovers boss he was respected by us.
  6. Only one of them Correctimundo
  7. Just seen, just replied
  8. Good timing....just created a new post, just for you - “Player Development”
  9. Something that’s been going round in my mind for a while, sparked off by things I’ve seen on Twitter, Facebook and the Taylor Moore thread today. I think we all see the benefit in loans for our younger players, especially that first experience of “men’s football”. Even within that we often see two phases: the non-league (Southern League level equivalent) loan, which also allows development at City too, and shorter term deals providing flexibility. Examples being the likes of Louis Britton, Marcus Day, etc. the league loan (EFL2 sometimes Conference), to get there first taste of real professional football, the adjustments to getting picked, not getting picked, the results business, no longer being the age group star, etc. Examples include Joe Morrell, Antoine Semenyo, etc. These players aren’t likely to be on the fringe of the first team and therefore the constraints of the loan system re 6/12 months, recall clauses in windows aren’t much of a concern, as we don’t expect to need these players back at Ashton Gate For both of these, I think Brian Tinnion is doing a fantastic job as loan manager. Please carry on reading, as I’m not about to go on and criticise Tinman! We seem to have introduced another phase: The League One (or SPL) loan, where we give our fringe players game time. This is not restricted to the younger players as we’ve seen Bailey Wright and Matty Taylor go out on loan too, but has been used mainly by younger players, e.g. the likes of Max O’Leary, Liam Walsh, Joe Morrell etc. These players have generally played a number of games (some over 50!) in the first team. This group, whilst on loan, and in an ideal world would be available to bring back in the event if injury, etc, are unable to do so outside of the loan window. Let’s take a look at some of the current crop of younger players, but I’m only gonna include league loans: Taylor Moore - age 22 - City apps 31 (signed from RC Lens for circa £1.5m) Previous loans (in order): Bury 19 (Lg1), Cheltenham 38 (Lg2), Southend 40 (Lg1), now Blackpool 5 (Lg1). Plus 10 at RC Lens across Ligue1/2 What is he genuinely gonna learn from going on loan again? Apart from feeling like he’s had a kick in the nuts during his decent development this season. Joe Morrell - age 23 - City apps 6 (Welsh full international) - Academy Previous loans: Cheltenham 39 (Lg2), now Lincoln 31 (Lg1) Although Joe hasn’t made many first team appearances for City, he came in last season and proved he is ready to compete for a place. He’s even proved he can compete for a place in the Wales full-team. It seems wrong that he’s doing this whilst donning red and white stripes in a division down. Liam Walsh - age 22 - City apps 19 (signed from Everton for circa £1m) Previous Loans: Yeovil 17 (Lg2), Birmingham 3 (Champ), now Coventry 31 (Lg1) I admit he is my blind spot, but enough of you rave about him, so I’m going on your views. Should he really be dazzling in Lg1? Did he need 40 games in Lg1? Max O’Leary - age 23 - City apps 18 - Academy Previous Loans: Kidderminster 5 (Conf), Solihull 23 (Conf), now Shrewsbury 32 (Lg1) Ok, goalies a different beast, but having made the number of Champ games he has, did he really need a Lg1 loan, or take his chance as permanent no2 to Bentley (or Mäenpää had we not signed Bentley) Zak Vyner - age 22 - City apps 13 - Academy Previous Loans: Accrington 17 (Lg2), Plymouth 17 (Lg1), Rotherham 34 (Champ), Aberdeen 18 (SPL) Probably the last person who needed a loan, having played 34 times at this level for Rotherham last season, let alone to the SPL. Antoine Semenyo - age 20 - City apps 16 - Academy / SGS College Previous Loans: Newport 32 (Lg2), now Sunderland 4 (Lg1) Of the list probably the one to loan out. Others I could’ve added in, but only made a few apps: Sam Szmodics, Haks Adelakun, Tyreeq Bakinson. In Szmodics case he is 24 also. Probably another subject matter in itself!! So what does say if anything? Firstly, are we ruthless enough with who is going to be good enough or not. Before their current loans: Taylor Moore had made 138 EFL-level (I’m including France in that) appearances, yes 138!!! If you can’t judge after that many then you’ve got to ask yourself serious questions Next is Zak Vyner with 81, Antoine Semenyo 48, Max O’Leary 45 (inc Conference as he’s a keeper and I’m making the rules), Joe Morrell 45 and Liam Walsh 39. Do we need to be a bit more cruel to be kind? Sorry X, you need to look to progress your career elsewhere. In Zak’s case, if his 34 games for Rotherham and 5 for us in the Championship isn’t enough to gauge whether he’s ready to fight for a place in the current squad, then I’m worried. He either is or he isn’t. A loan to the SPL ain’t gonna help that, it’s just prolonging a decision. Secondly, why are we entrusting this vital stage of our players development to another club, with another set of coaches, with a different system, ultimately at a lower level....by which you might also agree they probably have lower level skills too. If our coaching team are so good on the training ground why aren’t we exposing our next-gen of first teamers to the same methods, the system we need them to be ready for, etc. If we genuinely believe they are next-gen / on the fringe / in contention, why not give them the opportunity to be coached at the best level. Sink or swim. Thirdly, whilst our “boys” are out on loan, we are moving the goalposts, by signing players that may / will block the pathway or cut down the games they’d be getting now. When Walsh and Morrell went out on loan in the summer, did they expect Nagy and Massengo to be signed permanently? In fairness, in Massengo’s case, at 18, I think you have to take that signing opportunity. What are they thinking about their return in the summer? In Taylor Moore’s case, might he feel aggrieved that we’ve brought in Filip Benkovic? Might he feel the same will happen in the summer and he’ll be back down the pecking order. In a similar vein, would Sam Szmodics have signed if he knew Kasey Palmer was gonna sign later in the same window? Onto Max O’Leary. I’m sure he’s loving his loan, doing well at Shrewsbury (like Morrell and Walsh), but he could be the bona fide no2 to Dan Bentley, benefitting from day to day coaching from Pat Mountain alongside Bents. That is without thinking about added complexity of Maenpaa (a fine keeper himself) not getting kitted up as JoJo Wollacott comes in as the Club-Developed player. That could’ve / should’ve been Max. Would’ve helped letting Semenyo go out on loan, plus given LJ a full choice of 6 outfield subs too. Win:Win!! So, I think we are seeing muddled recruitment impact across the board. I don’t think we should be sat here at the end of the January window, appearing to have strengthened our squad, yet many are saying “we’d be no worse off with Morrell or Walsh in midfield” for example. In fairness, I think the whole loan system is restrictive too, but on the flip-side, we know the rules, and are hamstringing ourselves by having to go into the market when we have players already on our books. To end up, are we going to see similar 3rd phase loans for the next crop, e.g. Jonny Smith, Bakinson (again), Freddie Hinds (Yes, he’s still here), etc. I know it’s not a one-size fits all, but it does seem to be a “holding pen” for some players, and a wasted opportunity to integrate these players with enough “man’s football” experience into the first team set up. Some of this will be because City have developed themselves, and created a gap between their needs as a top 10 Champ club and League One. Sorry for long post. @Shtanley @Garycpos
  10. Yep, hindsight. Most of us were pretty happy with Benkovic after the Derby game!! Recurring calf injury last night according to LJ. Taylor Moore made a decent start to the season, and imho, proved (for the first real time) he can play at this level. In an ideal world Kalas and Baker would’ve been first choice with Moore getting further opportunities to gain experience, either off the bench or replacing them when injured, etc. As it happened he got plenty of game time, even though he often seemed to be a bit of an easy target for LJ when changing tactics. It certainly surprised me, even though I heard it was linked to Vyner coming back. Personally that looks a bit of non-logic to me! We didn’t recall Vyner, Aberdeen sent him back (like Derby did with Pato). In my opinion Moore has done himself a lot of favours in his appearances this season, but he still has a lot to learn on the defensive side of being a CB. Don’t get me wrong, he has learned quite a bit, but he has some way to go. On the ball, although competent, i do feel his ball-playing us overrated. He’s better than Baker, but most are! And I’m not comparing to Webster either. It is a fine line between advancing with the ball, and doing something effective with it, as opposed to advancing with the ball and driving into congestion, and then being out of position. Personally, I’d like to have seen a Moore continue his development HERE during the second half of the season and get another good pre-season under his belt and kick-on again.
  11. I could but it’s all immaterial
  12. I think “The Comic Strip presents....” spoof is more appropriate!!! Bonehead, Foyle and Commander Jackson. Who plays who!!!
  13. Been thinking about next season for a while. Haven’t dismissed pkay-offs, but looking less likely every game. Need a back to basics summer. Will expand upon this over coming weeks.
  14. Sorry correction....mistaken for Dominic Shawcross. Still don’t know if this one is real tho’.
  15. What he should be saying is something along the lines of: ”I spotted some issues, tried to fix them with some little tweaks in the first half, but Huddersfield had built up a head of steam, so I had to change it more significantly at half-time. We were better second half as a result, but I will be using the de-brief tomorrow to ensure they understand what was needed” At least give the impression of being all-knowing. I suspect he will need to watch the video back to formulate the answers, because it’s obvious he hasn’t been able to pinpoint the issues during the 90 minutes (and 15 at h-t) and remedy them. Nor have his coaches and nor have his analysts. Again he has resorted to a sledgehammer at h-t. You prep the players for 5212 for the game, but abandon it after 45, changing both formation and personnel. Critically leaving one sub up your sleeve too. If Benkovic was injured, why not Williams as sub? Maybe get the back line squeezed cup 15-20 yards. See what happens. Give it 10 minutes. But no, 442, Eliasson on, **** the preparation. Why not Re-inforce all the good stuff they did in training. His Reading of the game is one of his his biggest development areas. Same questions of Deano and Macca too.
  16. My favourite term to describe why we’ve had poor(er) away performances over LJ’s tenure is: ”Strung Out” When I look at how compact / disciplined we were versus Fulham (a), I just can’t get my head around how (and you are right SSN) you can have 60 yards front to back. I think you’re being generous in suggesting the the 4 played close to the 3. The two WBs might have. Garry Birtles (whilst commentating on a game once) said the optimum distance front to back is 35 yards. It’s stuck with me.
  17. Thought they were culpable (in some way) by being so deep. The distances back to front were appalling at this level. I really don’t want to pick out individual points as they are all “cause and effect” of a shit performance. Not disagreeing with your marks....you were there, I watched on a 5” screen.
  18. Recorded the game....watched on my iPhone. Couldn’t really pick out the players. Not gonna apportion blame, but it is the kind of display that gets a manager sacked. @RedDave - I think your marks were generous, fair play to you. That for me was worse than the two Preston games (one away one home) where I seriously thought LJ’s time might be coming to an end. I don’t think that is the case tonight per se, so I won’t go any further along that discussion point. I would normally say x was wrong, y was wrong, and in my head (at least) think I could spot little issues. Tonight, I am at a loss. I really don’t know where a performance like that comes from. Not sure I can face listening to the post-match presser. Deflated tonight. Finally, if the roads are dodgy, please drive carefully.
  19. I don’t think this guy is a journo.
  20. Hunt, Wells, Palmer and Paterson v their former club.
  21. @JerrySLO Sorted mine out today, but just a warning to others phoning up. You need to send evidence of disability, unless you’ve sent it recently. I had mine handy so emailed it over. About 20 minutes later I got an email back saying it was ok to phone up and renew.
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