The Right Honourable Les Q Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 They are doing a better job of presenting this than Matt Smith did of the F.A. Cup draw! Can you tape it for me, "Port"? Like to see the highlights when I fly back into Lulsgate tomorrow.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strictly Obi Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 The Chinese delegation having their tuppence worth now, but no one is listening. Takeaway the Chinese bloke! Hope Davey Camoron isn't sat next to the Deli llama then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abraham Romanovich Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 Just waiting for the official attendance to be announced....I believe one or two season ticket holders have stayed home, because of the weather today Full of plastics - I bet most of them don't turn up next week. It was stated that the 3 ex and current presidents flew in on the same Airforce 1 flight, I hope for their sake that they brought Bruce Willis with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Right Honourable Les Q Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 Hope Davey Camoron isn't sat next to the Deli llama then! The seating arrangements have caused a bit of a stir, John. Haven't spotted the "D" myself, yet. Is it raining back in Banes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Right Honourable Les Q Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 Full of plastics - I bet most of them don't turn up next week. It was stated that the 3 ex and current presidents flew in on the same Airforce 1 flight, I hope for their sake that they brought Bruce Willis with them. And I hope that randy saxophone player kept his hands to himself, or at least, on his saxophone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Right Honourable Les Q Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 PA announcer telling the kiddies to stay off the pitch...or they get blasted by the white supremicists tanks, waiting outside. Or did I hear that wrong just then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strictly Obi Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 The seating arrangements have caused a bit of a stir, John. Haven't spotted the "D" myself, yet. Is it raining back in Banes?Overcast, but not raining! Looking forward to a spot pub grub in the 'Old Station' yum yum! Give my regards to Winnie... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Right Honourable Les Q Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 Overcast, but not raining! Looking forward to a spot pub grub in the 'Old Station' yum yum! Give my regards to Winnie... Making me home-sick John! Say hello to Neville for me while you're there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Right Honourable Les Q Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 And as for Winnie ... think I will leave her to it today, if that's okay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Batman Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 The Church st Pretoria bombing was in direct response to murders that the SA government committed. It was in response to a South African cross-border raid into Lesotho in December 1982 which killed 42 ANC supporters and civilians, and the assassination of Ruth First, an ANC activist and wife of Joe Slovo, in Maputo, Mozambique. I'm presuming you feel it was ok for the South African apartheid government to kill innocent people on a daily basis, but the ANC were not allowed to respond? Apartheid caused the whole situation,a cruel and injustice way of treating human beings. When people are backed into a corner they will respond in any way possible. That's what happened to the coloured people of SA. Imagine if the Germans had invaded us in the 40's. Do you think our people would have just accepted it, or fought back with any means possible. As i said, his intentions were good but his actions were not. An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. Imagine if Lee Rigby's squadron had opened fire on the mosque where his killers prayed, would you say their actions were justified? If the germans did invade us, i think any resistance would have been directly at them and not on innocent civilians. So Hitler takes command of Buck House and Downing Street, I'll tell you what i'll do, i'll go blow up a public space where innocent people are walking around, that'll show them. In Mandela's trial, he said he would be willing to die for his cause, and that i commend him for. But when it comes to bombing innocent people, I simply cannot bring myself to agree. He should have gone down the Malcolm X & Dr Martin Luther King or Gandhi route of preaching non-violence to achieve their aim. Killing innocent people makes him as bad as the oppressors he was trying to overthrow in my opinion. I'll answer for him as it won't suir his agenda. The bombing was 20th May 1983, Mandela was released from prison on the 11th February 1990. Where was Mandela when these actions occurred ? well done Eco & cheese, by the precedent set by the pair of you, Hitler is now no longer responsible for the death of 6 million Jews. He didn't drive the trains to the death camps, he didn't pull the trigger, he didn't set the explosions, he didn't start the fires, he was in the government offices and hideaway retreats when these acts were going on. In Mandela's autobiography, he admitted that he ordered and "signed off" the church street bombing and his followers and fellow ANC / MK members carried out the attacks. Not the same is it really? I'm pretty sure your comparison is exceptionally unfair. Political party with a military wing, bombing innocent civilians when peace talks break down, fighting against an oppressive imperialistic government that have no right imposing themselves on their country.... am I talking about Sinn Fein & the IRA for Westminster on Northern Ireland or the ANC & MK for Aparthied regime in South Africa??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Right Honourable Les Q Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 Bloody commie speaking now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Right Honourable Les Q Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 Ref! Time's up! Blow your bloody whistle!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezgimed Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 I'll answer for him as it won't suir his agenda. The bombing was 20th May 1983, Mandela was released from prison on the 11th February 1990. Just the one was it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Right Honourable Les Q Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 Totally inappropriate opportunistic, anti-capitalist, commie propaganda rubbish by the bloke from Cuba. Shocking. What do you think, Alan Shearer?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheese Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 As i said, his intentions were good but his actions were not. An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. Imagine if Lee Rigby's squadron had opened fire on the mosque where his killers prayed, would you say their actions were justified? If the germans did invade us, i think any resistance would have been directly at them and not on innocent civilians. So Hitler takes command of Buck House and Downing Street, I'll tell you what i'll do, i'll go blow up a public space where innocent people are walking around, that'll show them. In Mandela's trial, he said he would be willing to die for his cause, and that i commend him for. But when it comes to bombing innocent people, I simply cannot bring myself to agree. He should have gone down the Malcolm X & Dr Martin Luther King or Gandhi route of preaching non-violence to achieve their aim. Killing innocent people makes him as bad as the oppressors he was trying to overthrow in my opinion. well done Eco & cheese, by the precedent set by the pair of you, Hitler is now no longer responsible for the death of 6 million Jews. He didn't drive the trains to the death camps, he didn't pull the trigger, he didn't set the explosions, he didn't start the fires, he was in the government offices and hideaway retreats when these acts were going on. In Mandela's autobiography, he admitted that he ordered and "signed off" the church street bombing and his followers and fellow ANC / MK members carried out the attacks. Political party with a military wing, bombing innocent civilians when peace talks break down, fighting against an oppressive imperialistic government that have no right imposing themselves on their country.... am I talking about Sinn Fein & the IRA for Westminster on Northern Ireland or the ANC & MK for Aparthied regime in South Africa??? Can't remember Hitler being incarcerated while the Jews were systematically exterminated. Neither was Hitler killing Jews because they were the majority oppressors killing innocent Germans and denying them any rights. If you are going to make comparisons can we compare apples with apples, oranges with oranges etc, rather than apples and computers - as you have done? I'm afraid none of your comparisons and analogies make any sense whatsoever. Even the IRA example doesn't bear scrutiny. Must do better I'm afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Right Honourable Les Q Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 Now, the Praise Singer! We need one of these in the East End-but not in the Williams, thank you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheese Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 Just the one was it? In Church Street, Pretoria? Just the one I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Right Honourable Les Q Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 And a word from the top man! Get out on the pitch, man. Tell us we won't be relegated! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 Can you tape it for me, "Port"? Like to see the highlights when I fly back into Lulsgate tomorrow.... Showing your age R.H. Les, I haven't owned a tape recorder for about 10 years . Try iplayer, it's like this forum but with moving pictures............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strictly Obi Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 Can't remember Hitler being incarcerated while the Jews were systematically exterminated. Neither was Hitler killing Jews because they were the majority oppressors killing innocent Germans and denying them any rights. If you are going to make comparisons can we compare apples with apples, oranges with oranges etc, rather than apples and computers - as you have done? I'm afraid none of your comparisons and analogies make any sense whatsoever. Even the IRA example doesn't bear scrutiny. Must do better I'm afraid.We'll said! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Right Honourable Les Q Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 The boss hasn't mentioned transition, or pillars, or anything that relevant yet. What about Cotterill, man. Say something about Cotts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezgimed Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 In Church Street, Pretoria? Just the one I believe. Other bombings occurred or so news reports would suggest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Right Honourable Les Q Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 Think he said "Mid-table" just then - things are looking up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Right Honourable Les Q Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 Showing your age R.H. Les, I haven't owned a tape recorder for about 10 years . Try iplayer, it's like this forum but with moving pictures............ Thank you, sir. I will look out for one of those next time I'm in Smiths. Don't expect you can get one here in Joburg! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 Can't remember Hitler being incarcerated while the Jews were systematically exterminated. Neither was Hitler killing Jews because they were the majority oppressors killing innocent Germans and denying them any rights. If you are going to make comparisons can we compare apples with apples, oranges with oranges etc, rather than apples and computers - as you have done? I'm afraid none of your comparisons and analogies make any sense whatsoever. Even the IRA example doesn't bear scrutiny. Must do better I'm afraid. This is very true. The greatness in the man wasn't just that he stood up and forgave people for the acts of violence that his people had suffered, but that he offered himself up to be forgiven by the same people. He has never turned his back on his past or tried to hide it, he wanted to let people see that ordinary people can be driven to extraordinary lengths when the are attacked, but they can return to normality given the chance. A massive number of white South Africans have forgiven him and are willing to move forward without recriminations, it's a shame that there are certain people here that can't do the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Right Honourable Les Q Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 "Long Walk To Swindon"? Bloody right. Only 50 mins in the car ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippy273 Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 Full of plastics - I bet most of them don't turn up next week. It was stated that the 3 ex and current presidents flew in on the same Airforce 1 flight, I hope for their sake that they brought Bruce Willis with them. "So then, what do you think of Nelson Mandela?" "He was some guy that got black south african's rights weren't he? innit...." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheese Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 Other bombings occurred or so news reports would suggest. We were talking about Church Street, Pretoria. Do keep up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezgimed Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 We were talking about Church Street, Pretoria. Do keep up. And I'm referring to all the other civilian deaths and casualties at the hands of the group he founded. Feel free to ignore that fact if it doesnt suit YOUR agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheese Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 And I'm referring to all the other civilian deaths and casualties at the hands of the group he founded. Feel free to ignore that fact if it doesnt suit YOUR agenda. Not at all, but if you took the time to take the splinter out of your eye and read what I was responding to you might get it. The question was the date of the Church Street Pretoria bombing and where was Mandela at the time. Clearly the answer was the one I gave - it didn't need a list of all the bombings and their dates now did it. It's a bit like asking when you're birthday is and you responding with all the dates of your family. That wasn't the question. Jeez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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