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2 minutes ago, RedM said:

Yes I agree that there are less people attending rugby on the whole, but last season they had some respectable crowds and they could still use the area I have mentioned. 

Thanks, I've never thought to compare the two sports in relation to the safety issues. It would appear that there might be two sets of rules in use.

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2 minutes ago, Red Right Hand said:

The one thing I`ve noticed is that the Lansdown concourse is far less busy than the other two pre-match, even quite close to kick-off and appears to have a lot more space. Could this potentially be an area to use do you think @Rich ?

Thanks for the recommendation.

That is the where we've been before matches, as the act of walking into the seating area is easier. As I said in earlier posts, drop down seating could be installed above the shelf by the external glass walls without causing obstruction. I am aware of the stadium layout as I usually get in about two O'clock and have a wander around.

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2 minutes ago, Rich said:

Thanks for the recommendation.

That is the where we've been before matches, as the act of walking into the seating area is easier. As I said in earlier posts, drop down seating could be installed above the shelf by the external glass walls without causing obstruction. I am aware of the stadium layout as I usually get in about two O'clock and have a wander around.

Yeah I usually enter there as it saves walking through the fanzone and it does seem very quiet compared to when you get round to the SS concourse which is heaving normally. People do sit on those window cills around the outside but that`s not ideal - particularly I imagine for anyone with mobility problems.

I`m sure a compromise can be reached - it just seems such a small thing to do that would benefit a fair few people in a good way.

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4 minutes ago, Red Right Hand said:

Yeah I usually enter there as it saves walking through the fanzone and it does seem very quiet compared to when you get round to the SS concourse which is heaving normally. People do sit on those window cills around the outside but that`s not ideal - particularly I imagine for anyone with mobility problems.

I`m sure a compromise can be reached - it just seems such a small thing to do that would benefit a fair few people in a good way.

I quite agree. I've just googled drop down seating in images, there are loads which could be used which don't impinge in  a detrimental way in terms of space taken out of gangways, which isn't where they're suggested anyway.

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1 hour ago, Rich said:

As I have said, you just do not understand the issue and you obviously have not read or digested what I have said, or you are too pious and obnoxious to even try to understand, probably a mix of all four. Firstly who has ever mentioned half time? 

Are you serious? you claim that our new stadium facilities are "dangerously" crowded. Wow! what are we going to do if we ever reach capacity? Perhaps some of that major investment, should have been spent reducing that risk by say, not having bars at pinch points and not putting offices and shops into such a restricted stadium. You are as one might say, talking out of your arse. And you accuse me of idiocy.

We as a group, would like to go to the match at an hour before kick off time, with the intention of getting my brother in law to his seat about twenty minutes before kick off, plenty of time to enjoy a drink and social event prior to the rush and the match. On one occasion we did this but had to take him into the stadium to afford him some comfort, as he couldn't stand for too long. We then had to bring him back down for a toilet break prior to going in for the match. This could have been so much easier at the earlier times when there are fewer people and he would have used the loo before going in, easy.

As for the seating you have not understood what seating I refer to, as it would not cause congestion and especially in the locations stated. Obviously you have a problem reading, probably a sight issue, as you also can't see the areas I refer to either. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt though and assume you only go to the football at times when it's really busy, which would affect you vision.

 

Or it could just be that your desire to have everything the way you want it clouds your judgement and makes it impossible for you to see the reality of how impractical seating in those areas of any type would be. The sort of break with reality that leads you to make all sorts of illogical assumptions about anything or anyone that disagrees with you.

The fact is it's extremely crowded, seats take up more room, there's no way to police who uses them and you have other options. 

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47 minutes ago, Nibor said:

Or it could just be that your desire to have everything the way you want it clouds your judgement and makes it impossible for you to see the reality of how impractical seating in those areas of any type would be. The sort of break with reality that leads you to make all sorts of illogical assumptions about anything or anyone that disagrees with you.

The fact is it's extremely crowded, seats take up more room, there's no way to police who uses them and you have other options. 

I'm sorry but your responses are a bit rude to say the least. I don't see how a small bench across certain walls can be a problem, every tube station platform has benches and at times are far more crowded than AG, in a far narrower and more dangerous space, with less exits. I don't see how 'policing' them would be a problem…I'm sure most fans would be happy to make way for those less able to stand - as in any public place. Why should anyone with mobility issues, or any other health problems miss out?

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1 hour ago, exAtyeoMax said:

I'm sorry but your responses are a bit rude to say the least. I don't see how a small bench across certain walls can be a problem, every tube station platform has benches and at times are far more crowded than AG, in a far narrower and more dangerous space, with less exits. I don't see how 'policing' them would be a problem…I'm sure most fans would be happy to make way for those less able to stand - as in any public place. Why should anyone with mobility issues, or any other health problems miss out?

If you think I've been rude I think you should take a look at what I've responded to.  My view is there's simply very little room in the concourse on a match day and seating will make it worse - bear in mind we're not anywhere near capacity at the moment.  There are already plenty of drinks spilt and a fair bit of shoving and rows over queues.  I very much doubt everybody will be as fair minded about seats as you think.  I don't think anybody has to miss out but in a space that's shared with thousands of people it's not always possible to accommodate every last thing everyone wants.  

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11 hours ago, Pezo said:

I dont know if its possible anymore but you used to be able to book tables/booths in the sports bar and grill/pizzeria, considerably better facilities than the concourse as well.

Or the Supports club and Trust have a room they have kitted out now, what about gaining membership to that and turning up early to get a seat in there? I know it's not what people are asking for but it is an option in the mean time?

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8 hours ago, Dave said:

As a wheelchair user myself, am I to assume that I am not allowed to sit in the concourse, and have to go straight to my allocated space?

Well assuming you are allowed, according to Nibor your username should probably be Dangerous Dave

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We go with my elderly grandfather who turned 90 in April and still goes to every home game. Obviously being less mobile these days we make sure we book a table in the Sports Bar and Grill (Pizzeria) for every game. This obviously means that he has a comfortable seat, table service for food and drink and what is frankly a far more pleasant atmosphere than the concourses all whilst having a good old time socialising with us lot before the game.

Could this be a potential avenue for you to explore Rich? Obviously this doesn't address the issue that you were referring to although it seems as though that issue is far (if ever) from being resolved.

Just a thought.

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2 hours ago, RedM said:

Or the Supports club and Trust have a room they have kitted out now, what about gaining membership to that and turning up early to get a seat in there? I know it's not what people are asking for but it is an option in the mean time?

There's a lift nearby so wheelchair access isn't an issue. 

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I know this isn't the point, but how great that we have a stadium which people want to get to an hour before the match to hang out in. The complaint is now that there isn't enough seating, rather than... the stadium stinks and the pies are cold. Will be fascinating to see the impact on match day revenue when the accounts come out. 

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12 hours ago, Nibor said:

If you think I've been rude I think you should take a look at what I've responded to.  My view is there's simply very little room in the concourse on a match day and seating will make it worse - bear in mind we're not anywhere near capacity at the moment.  There are already plenty of drinks spilt and a fair bit of shoving and rows over queues.  I very much doubt everybody will be as fair minded about seats as you think.  I don't think anybody has to miss out but in a space that's shared with thousands of people it's not always possible to accommodate every last thing everyone wants.  

Your first statement stated that "no room for any seats nor is there a need".  Basically rude from the outset as there obviously is a need, just one that at this moment, you don't need. 

Your subsequent statements were equally dismissive and rude, how do you expect people to respond?

I hope you never have the need for compassion from a fellow supporter.

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Thanks for the replies and suggestions. I am not suggesting this just for my brother in law, as some of the replies obviously indicate that there is a need/demand for this type of addition, whether that be from elderly patrons or, people with mobility problems.

Below  are links to one of many drop down seating styles that could be fitted and not hinder access in or out of the concourse in the areas referred to, due to their depth protruding from a wall, after all, who walks right next to a wall?

https://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/folding-stadium-seat-3ds/619127

https://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/max-stadium-seat/1119752

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Place a long row of those safe standing seats in the concourse  and as we all walk round to Drink up thee Cider on the tannoy, security could lock one seat up at a time, hay presto, City  musical chairs.

Unfortunatelly, the winner will miss most of the second half...

 

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On 03/09/2017 at 19:40, Rich said:

As I have said, you just do not understand the issue and you obviously have not read or digested what I have said, or you are too pious and obnoxious to even try to understand, probably a mix of all four. Firstly who has ever mentioned half time? 

Are you serious? you claim that our new stadium facilities are "dangerously" crowded. Wow! what are we going to do if we ever reach capacity? Perhaps some of that major investment, should have been spent reducing that risk by say, not having bars at pinch points and not putting offices and shops into such a restricted stadium. You are as one might say, talking out of your arse. And you accuse me of idiocy.

We as a group, would like to go to the match at an hour before kick off time, with the intention of getting my brother in law to his seat about twenty minutes before kick off, plenty of time to enjoy a drink and social event prior to the rush and the match. On one occasion we did this but had to take him into the stadium to afford him some comfort, as he couldn't stand for too long. We then had to bring him back down for a toilet break prior to going in for the match. This could have been so much easier at the earlier times when there are fewer people and he would have used the loo before going in, easy.

As for the seating you have not understood what seating I refer to, as it would not cause congestion and especially in the locations stated. Obviously you have a problem reading, probably a sight issue, as you also can't see the areas I refer to either. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt though and assume you only go to the football at times when it's really busy, which would affect you vision.

 

 

23 hours ago, exAtyeoMax said:

I'm sorry but your responses are a bit rude to say the least. I don't see how a small bench across certain walls can be a problem, every tube station platform has benches and at times are far more crowded than AG, in a far narrower and more dangerous space, with less exits. I don't see how 'policing' them would be a problem…I'm sure most fans would be happy to make way for those less able to stand - as in any public place. Why should anyone with mobility issues, or any other health problems miss out?

Having read this thread - I think you are one sided / blind  in your judgement here Max

See above for one example

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27 minutes ago, Tomarse said:

Worth noting the English National Stadium, Wembley, has the internal lights off at tonight's match @Mkelly

So our it's ok at 90k stadium for our national team but not at AG. SAG haven't got a clue 

This really needs to be addressed @Mkelly sooner rather than later if possible please given the amount of night matches coming up. The lighting is far far far too bright, in the South Stand at least. Would be great if it could be looked into. If it's ok for the national stadium it should be ok for Ashton Gate hopefully. 

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25 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

 

Having read this thread - I think you are one sided / blind  in your judgement here Max

See above for one example

My apologies. I was responding directly to one post. I don't think that trying to help people less able than most is 'whinging', I'm afraid. I want everyone to be able to come to Ashton Gate.

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I don't want a seat, all I want is a friggin table!!!! 

A circular blob of concrete would do just fine. Just something. 

My indegestion and subsequent trumping, as I'm stood gobbling a pasty in one hand and slurping a pint from the other, is a far greater health and safety hazard than a minor obstruction in a concourse as wide as an airport runway.

Assume reinforced glass and breeze block walls don't constitute an 'obstruction'  to egress from the stadium then? Just place a few round concrete 3 foot diameter flat-topped 'posts' next to these walls and tell SAG they're anti-terrorist barriers. They'll approve them without question. 

Jesz, not difficult.

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24 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

 

Having read this thread - I think you are one sided / blind  in your judgement here Max

See above for one example

I don't think you could have read the thread properly, or possibly not taken some of the comments by Nibor into account. My response, was in response to comments like this : 

"What a lot of silliness".  "Putting in seats will inconvenience everyone as it will be far more crowded than it already is and it is too crowded now, and nobody needs them".  "Those that can't stand for 15 minutes already have an alternative - sitting in their seats or using facilities for people with disabilities".  "Your idea is rubbish".

He then followed with: "I was whinging", "churlish idiocy", "clouding my judgement", "wanting everything my way", "breaking with reality", and "making illogical assumptions". Basically because I wouldn't bow to his opinions, which appear to be in themselves, selfish. So yes, I was rude in response to him, I've always used the philosophy of, if attacked, attack back but, harder.

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I sympathise with the debate. There is enough space in the Dolman, but it would be limited, cue complaints over fit people hogging seats. Would be worth trialling though on a limited  basis. Would be an advance on most grounds. The alternative is club areas re the supporters trust. We should be open to answering the question. 

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6 minutes ago, Dollymarie said:

With my cynical hat on (and this is purely a guess) is it that they need the lights on for our new all singing all dancing cctv to be at its best? Just a thought. . . . 

Possibly Marie, I've just read a bit on SAGs and they don't have the power people think, though I'm sure some who sit on the groups could make life a little more difficult. But if you meet the criteria in law, then it's been met, nothing the SAGs can do.

See link to HSE info on SAGs.

http://www.hse.gov.uk/event-safety/safety-advisory-groups.htm

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