SL more motivated towards Bristol Bears than BCFC?

[Floatn Over]

1 hour ago, Moor2Sea said:

Looking at the transcript SL says something about GoN returning later than expected. Well, according to GoNs tweet he was fit for 9 weeks before being selected! Does anyone really know what’s going on at our Club?

Worrying times, we have a scouting system still not fit for purpose, a CEO who makes such demotivating statements mid season that  team performance levels collapse, a manager who has been given all he wants, within reason, and still makes basic selection and tactical errors and a bloated squad lacking leaders, consistency and Championship quality - with those of any quality likely to depart in the next couple of months leaving us with the dross that no one else wants.

Aside from that everything is fine. 

Massive Summer Mr Ashton, absolutely massive. No more of the throw away  ‘ones for the future’ or ‘inexperienced, young and learning’ excuses, no more woeful transfer windows. 

We’ve gone soft, a cosy little Club, that brushes repeat failures and weaknesses under the carpet. Someone needs to shake us out of this lethargy. It’s the real world. Those with less have achieved far more. Look to the acheivers rather than failures and stop palming us off with being a little fish in a big pond. 

The first thing we need is a fundamental culture change and set the right DNA. I know that Warnock or Cotts don’t fit with the Cosy Club ethos but that sort of leadership we need somewhere in the top echelons of the establishment. 

We’ve heard enough of the excuses and corporate speak, now’s the time to go out and deliver. 

 

Excellent post, very well said.

On the GoN point, where is GoN gone ? We apparently (obviously) need leaders, well there you have one, give the guy a chance.

Just cannot go on signing players either permanently or on loan then do use them for various reasons.

Culture change and right DNA definitely needed.

A name/experienced director of football perhaps who walks the walk and knows what's what.

[ScottishRed]

4 hours ago, JonDolman said:

Don't get why people think he doesn't want us to go up? 100 plus million pounds would transform the club. 

Maybe he does, and the best way to achieve self- sustainability is to get there - the club would not need one penny more of his money then.

What I simply do not understand is why the gamble was not taken in January - none of the arguments against doing it have any credence.

[WhistleHappy]

4 hours ago, wendyredredrobin said:

I heard somewhere that Frank Fielding was being transferred to Bristol Bears.

Nice 'try' wendyredredgoalie gonna be 'converted' then? 

[Ivorguy]

1 hour ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Steve Lansdown is a businessman with a reputation on a global scale. Would you concentrate your efforts on a) a club you own in the 5th most watched league in Europe that is highly desireable to a whole host of eastern/middle eastern investors or b) a rugby club no-one outside of the UK has heard of.

The bloke ain't stupid

Businessman with a reputation on a global scale. Really ?  

Just like Trump then

[Rob k]

6 hours ago, cityironman said:

Pat Lam one of the highest paid coaches in the country, All Black player coming in reputed to be the first million pound a year player, Sale coach accusing Bristol of potentially ruining the sport with our spending.........are you sure!!

So how does any of that mean he’s more interested in Rugby?

All that suggests to me is that It’s easier to succeed in rugby with a bit of cash, I still see nothing to say SL is more interested in rugby. 

[054123]

7 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

FFP isn't a thing then?

I'm awaiting the great workarounds-it's pretty watertight now, or will be if enforced correctly- go on. Workaround?

Doesn’t appear to be sometimes.

im not against Lansdowns model but if premiership football is your aim then his really is the long shot outsider approach and far more likely that we are a div 2/3 yo yo team

[Mr Popodopolous]

2 hours ago, 054123 said:

Doesn’t appear to be sometimes.

im not against Lansdowns model but if premiership football is your aim then his really is the long shot outsider approach and far more likely that we are a div 2/3 yo yo team

They are tightening and have tightened it up quite strongly in Championship (our variant different to UEFA, which in turn differs from League One and again respectively PL and League Two).

However I digress- if enforced correctly? At this level, as it stands we and Leeds will definitely benefit. Surely Brentford too, probably a few assorted others but tbh most sides probably depending on the severity of their breach would be facing punishment or have hefty sales to avoid. We would benefit but the division would become fairly farcical for a time (just IMO of  course).

Provided we hold onto all the key players, LJ doesn't chop and change- churn for want of a better word- the squad so much, it's not a bad approach- the key for me is squad growing together, make tweaks here and there- keep vital core.

Of course, whether LJ is the right man to implement the strategy? Well, different debate entirely.

[cidered abroad]

15 hours ago, cityironman said:

As the title suggests is Steve L more interested in trying to push the new Bristol rugby franchise to the very top, as he has stated, than getting us to the promised land? Certainly costs a lot less money to achieve!! 

I don't believe that for one minute. 

With only one quality rugby division, the Premiership, it is clearly relatively easy for a Club of Bristol's size to win promotion to it. It should also be possible with Bristol's attendances, to be able to stay there. 

It will take some cash for recruitment of top quality to keep Bris up there but it's doable. They are also, like City, working hard to develop their own young talent. 

But while it's much more difficult to get to football's Premier league, the rewards are much higher. Not only TV money but for the first season at least, full houses for every game. And if the team stayed up and started to do really well, the sky, sorry for the pun, is the limit. 

SL is clearly after Premier for both. He has a quality and proven Head Coach at Bristol Rugby (Bears) but needs to employ the same quality for City! Until he gets that right, it won't happen for City. 

[Natchfever]

14 hours ago, Rob k said:

I see this spouted all the time - never seen any evidence that actually backs up the statement however!

SL hires one of the worlds best rugby coaches.

SL hires his son's mate as football coach.

Theres your evidence.

[cidered abroad]

20 minutes ago, Loon plage said:

SL hires one of the worlds best rugby coaches.

SL hires his son's mate as football coach.

Theres your evidence.

Slightly humorous but true. 

[Rob k]

1 hour ago, Loon plage said:

SL hires one of the worlds best rugby coaches.

SL hires his son's mate as football coach.

Theres your evidence.

How much is it to hire Pep Guardiola again? 

[The Bard]

15 hours ago, wendyredredrobin said:

I heard somewhere that Frank Fielding was being transferred to Bristol Bears.

Trouble is he kicks it out on the full which means line outs are level with where he kicks it from not where the ball goes out.  Love to see Ian Madigan give Frank some kicking coaching...

[The Bard]

2 hours ago, cidered abroad said:

I don't believe that for one minute. 

With only one quality rugby division, the Premiership, it is clearly relatively easy for a Club of Bristol's size to win promotion to it. It should also be possible with Bristol's attendances, to be able to stay there. 

It will take some cash for recruitment of top quality to keep Bris up there but it's doable. They are also, like City, working hard to develop their own young talent. 

But while it's much more difficult to get to football's Premier league, the rewards are much higher. Not only TV money but for the first season at least, full houses for every game. And if the team stayed up and started to do really well, the sky, sorry for the pun, is the limit. 

SL is clearly after Premier for both. He has a quality and proven Head Coach at Bristol Rugby (Bears) but needs to employ the same quality for City! Until he gets that right, it won't happen for City. 

We were talking about this after the game.  The dynamic with the Rugby club is Pat Lam calling the shots.  He simply wouldn't have come to Bristol unless he had certain assurances.  No one seriously thinks LJ calls the shots do they?   

[MichaelRobartes]

2 hours ago, The Bard said:

Trouble is he kicks it out on the full which means line outs are level with where he kicks it from not where the ball goes out.  Love to see Ian Madigan give Frank some kicking coaching...

As long as he's inside his own 22, which he almost always would be, he can kick the ball dead. I think Frank could be ROG-esque in terms of kicking for the corner.

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21 hours ago, cityironman said:

As the title suggests is Steve L more interested in trying to push the new Bristol rugby franchise to the very top, as he has stated, than getting us to the promised land? Certainly costs a lot less money to achieve!! 

Is the Bristol Bears a suitable platform for us to 'out' BigTone?

[JasonM88]

12 hours ago, Loon plage said:

SL hires one of the worlds best rugby coaches.

SL hires his son's mate as football coach.

Theres your evidence.

Bristol Rugby can afford that, Bristol City can’t. Johnson earns more than Lam. Shut up. 

[RumRed]

1 hour ago, JasonM88 said:

Bristol Rugby can afford that, Bristol City can’t. Johnson earns more than Lam. Shut up. 

Bristol City has the potential to earn many times what the rugby ever will. And no need to be so rude .

[JasonM88]

1 hour ago, RumRed said:

Bristol City has the potential to earn many times what the rugby ever will. And no need to be so rude .

Bristol City do earn many times what the rugby do. Doesn’t mean we can afford the best coaches in the world, or even the best coaches in the championship. 

[Ivorguy]

2 hours ago, JasonM88 said:

Bristol City do earn many times what the rugby do. Doesn’t mean we can afford the best coaches in the world, or even the best coaches in the championship. 

No, but at very least we could have a Board that doesn't just rubber stamp an amateur approach to Head Coach/Manager appointments 

[Phileas Fogg]

8 hours ago, JasonM88 said:

Bristol Rugby can afford that, Bristol City can’t. Johnson earns more than Lam. Shut up. 

It’s an interesting angle on the theory that Lansdown wouldn’t appoint a hard nosed and experienced manager for City.

Pat Lam is very experienced and isn’t a ‘yes man’ at all. 

Perhaps by nature there are less Lee Johnson type coaches in rugby, but still - by appointing Lam it shows that Lansdown will appoint that ‘type’ if necessary.

Or.. and I’m wildly speculating here.. does Jon Lansdown have more of a say on the football side than rugby and it was him that feels more comfortable around people like Johnson?

If that’s the case, perhaps it’s an extension on @Olé‘s ideas about Johnson surrounding himself with players he feels comfortable with carrying on right up to board level..

[Bris Red]

On 06/05/2018 at 22:13, Mr Popodopolous said:

FFP isn't a thing then?

I'm awaiting the great workarounds-it's pretty watertight now, or will be if enforced correctly- go on. Workaround?

Even before FFP was a ‘thing’ Lansdown never really splashed the cash. The odd signings here and there but he has always been very sensible with his cash when lets be honest if you want success in this sport you have to take a financial risk as such . He could have easily thrown more around in his early tenure as chairman if he really wanted too...

[Bris Red]

10 hours ago, Ivorguy said:

No, but at very least we could have a Board that doesn't just rubber stamp an amateur approach to Head Coach/Manager appointments 

Indeed. I look at the chairman of Brighton and think thats a man that really wanted the topflight for his club, got the stadium got the proven manager in Chris Hughton and then backed him heavily financially. Tony Bloom was/is serious the Lansdowns for me are too happy plodding, its needs a Tony Bloom approach imo..

[Mr Popodopolous]

10 minutes ago, bris red said:

Even before FFP was a ‘thing’ Lansdown never really splashed the cash. The odd signings here and there but he has always been very sensible with his cash when lets be honest if you want success in this sport you have to take a financial risk as such . He could have easily thrown more around in his early tenure as chairman if he really wanted too...

Fair point, though his investment by the time of 2013 relegation was 50 million or such so that's not exactly chickenfeed.

The difference was then too, we didn't have the infrastructure or other revenue generators to support or build on his spending, so it was in some ways a case of cash in, wages out and SL makes up a shortfall.

Was IMO at least, spending just to stand still in some ways.

[Jerseybean]

Certainly seems his business life is going well.

https://jerseyeveningpost.com/news/business/2018/05/08/ravenscroft-adds-more-than-15-bn-to-assets/

 

 

[CyderInACan]

On 07/05/2018 at 11:13, The Bard said:

We were talking about this after the game.  The dynamic with the Rugby club is Pat Lam calling the shots.  He simply wouldn't have come to Bristol unless he had certain assurances.  No one seriously thinks LJ calls the shots do they?   

You listen to Pat Lam and you feel inspired. 

You listen to Lee Johnson and you feel confused. 

 

[nickolas]

On 06/05/2018 at 17:17, cityironman said:

As the title suggests is Steve L more interested in trying to push the new Bristol rugby franchise to the very top, as he has stated, than getting us to the promised land? Certainly costs a lot less money to achieve!! 

Cost wise im sure this is the case. With salary caps he can manage the egg chasing so much more easily. 

With inflated fees and wages for the football this becomes impossible almost. 

Add to that LJ treating his money like a kid in a sweet shop then this dont help either!!!

[Natchfever]

21 hours ago, JasonM88 said:

Bristol Rugby can afford that, Bristol City can’t. Johnson earns more than Lam. Shut up. 

So ..

1. What can Bristol rugby afford ?

2. What can bcfc afford?

3. What does LJ earn?

4. What does PL earn?

You dont know the answer to any of those questions so I suggest you shut up until you do.

[JasonM88]

46 minutes ago, Loon plage said:

So ..

1. What can Bristol rugby afford ?

2. What can bcfc afford?

3. What does LJ earn?

4. What does PL earn?

You dont know the answer to any of those questions so I suggest you shut up until you do.

**** off. 

[cityironman]

1 hour ago, JasonM88 said:

**** off. 

Don't dish it out if you can't take it back!! Bristol City & Bristol (Bears) Rugby are two parts of the same company (Bristol Sport) so its not a question of what BCFC & Bristol Rugby can afford because essentially they are one and the same, its just a question of whether they are prepared to put in the necessary funds to give both codes a realistic chance of getting to the top tier. So far so good with the rugby, not quite so good with the footie!!

[JasonM88]

1 minute ago, cityironman said:

Don't dish it out if you can't take it back!! Bristol City & Bristol (Bears) Rugby are two parts of the same company (Bristol Sport) so its not a question of what BCFC & Bristol Rugby can afford because essentially they are one and the same, its just a question of whether they are prepared to put in the necessary funds to give both codes a realistic chance of getting to the top tier. So far so good with the rugby, not quite so good with the footie!!

They are not one of the same, and can never be one of the same due to different regulations on money in both sports. It does not allow income from both clubs to simply be put into one pot.