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3 minutes ago, jrabrewer said:

Thanks @RedM, I know we're generally a nice bunch and that this was an isolated incident, and it definitely wont put me off going. But the instances of abuse between our own fans is definitely on the rise from what I've seen (not helped by things such as songs that end in "you ####s" directed at sections of our own support) which I do find sad. We all want the same thing at the end of the day

Most of us want the same thing - a good afternoon supporting our team without personally abusing anyone. Unfortunately, a percentage of people the world over - including the individual you had the misfortune to sit behind yesterday - don't quite think like that.

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Regarding atmosphere. I thought we started well, early goal got us really going then like the team we faded. Forest goal was a killer and then again like the team we didn’t recover ( not that I’m saying a pointvagainst Forest was a bad result). Forest were so quiet until they scored, couldn’t believe they made no sound at all.

But what do we sing, we have lost pretty much all the songs of last season, Flint, Fielding, Bobby Reid, Magnusson. Patterson was sung but he was pretty awful yesterday so that bombed. We need new songs ( for new hero’s).

Yesterday looked like two teams with more players to gel than made a good football match. Having said that it was a good game to get out the way. 

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Something has definitely happened over the last 5 or so years, used to be at least 3 or 4 songs a game that would carry far more widely around the ground (at the VERY least a monotonous "COME ON YOU RE-EDS"). Go back 10 or more years and almost every song would be picked up by people around the ground.

Doesn't seem to happen since the ground re-design. I can't believe that the extra 5-8k on our attendances are all people who don't know the words, so that can't be it. I don't know why it's so sterile. In Dolman Block B more would join in when S82 were next door in the Atyeo but it's not as if we can't hear any of it now.

With that said, this thread surprised me, as I thought the atmosphere was decent at kick of as City were really going for it, I even said to a mate, if we score early the roof will come off. It was after that it went totally flat. A 1-0 lead, not playing much football, grim sense Forest would get back into it - lot of nerves about.

If there are more moments to get people on their feet I think more people start joining in with songs, we didn't create much more in the game to get people up and animated. I also thought Forest after kick off were pretty quiet bar their one song, so it wasn't even like there was any competition to drown them out.

Side note - I was really pleased to see City net off the front of the Atyeo to push fans to the back of the stand. Given we get chucked in the back of beyond in lots of away venues, I suggested this on here a few times to create a mental distance between away fans and team and not let them create intimidation pitch side.

 

 

 

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I have said it on a similar thread last year, but i think a big help would be to move the entire singing section behind the goal in the South Stand. They need to be in a bigger area to encourage others to sing. It becomes infectious when people all around you are singing. We need the SS to be our Kop. When they are isolated in the corner (or a small section of the Atyeo as was) then it all becomes too fragmented.

Really hope this happens eventually would make a big difference.

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2 hours ago, Welcome To The Jungle said:

Atmosphere was great where I was. Didn't stop all game. I was at Celtic Park though.

Was up for the Rosenborg game a few weeks ago. How I'd love to see a standing area at Ashton Gate with a dedicated set of supporters in there every week. It's amazing how much an entire stadium can feed off the enthusiasm coming from one corner of the ground.

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20 hours ago, ForeverRes said:

Oh dear... 

The quietest I've ever heard AG on opening day of the season.

The game was cagey and not necessarily a type of game to get the crowd going, but was bitterly disappointed. 

We all know what an AG crowd can do. But we didn't really get that advantage today.

I thought the atmosphere was great at times yes there were some quiet points but still nowhere near the quietest it’s ever been. 

14 hours ago, WolfOfWestStreet said:

Mate everything you said was bang on. There's like 70 odd people that every week are up for it and 20K ******* zombies just sat there doing **** all Just "watching the game" you can do both you know.

Then people have the cheek to say the atmosphere is bad, no ******* shit when there is only a coach full even bloody trying. 

Too ******* hot? ... piss off, waste of a ******* seat

What a stupid post. Yes I get it, it is always nice to have a bit of atmosphere in games but isn’t ‘watching the game’ what you pay your money to. If people don’t want to sing, then that’s fine. It’s their money let them do what they want.

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22 minutes ago, Olé said:

Something has definitely happened over the last 5 or so years, used to be at least 3 or 4 songs a game that would carry far more widely around the ground (at the VERY least a monotonous "COME ON YOU RE-EDS"). Go back 10 or more years and almost every song would be picked up by people around the ground.

Doesn't seem to happen since the ground re-design. I can't believe that the extra 5-8k on our attendances are all people who don't know the words, so that can't be it. I don't know why it's so sterile. In Dolman Block B more would join in when S82 were next door in the Atyeo but it's not as if we can't hear any of it now.

With that said, this thread surprised me, as I thought the atmosphere was decent at kick of as City were really going for it, I even said to a mate, if we score early the roof will come off. It was after that it went totally flat. A 1-0 lead, not playing much football, grim sense Forest would get back into it - lot of nerves about.

If there are more moments to get people on their feet I think more people start joining in with songs, we didn't create much more in the game to get people up and animated. I also thought Forest after kick off were pretty quiet bar their one song, so it wasn't even like there was any competition to drown them out.

Side note - I was really pleased to see City net off the front of the Atyeo to push fans to the back of the stand. Given we get chucked in the back of beyond in lots of away venues, I suggested this on here a few times to create a mental distance between away fans and team and not let them create intimidation pitch side.

 

 

 

Undoubtedly agree with a lot of this post. Though time was when the team was under the cosh the crowd might up the noise a bit and the 2 sort of fed off each other. Maybe ticket prices and the expansion of modern football mindset have changed it who knows?

Can pick out 2 (fairly obscure) examples.

1999-2000 Mansfield FA Cup. Shaun Taylor handball on the line. In the rain- penalty to Mansfield and he got sent off. Towards end of his career, said he was 'making himself big' or words to that effect. Sticks in the mind as it was my first full season but the crowd though a low attendance was excellent tbh.

2005-06 Chesterfield. Massive losing streak in GJ's first season. We were 1-4 down and fairly sure a decent number left early (as people would, from all stands). Those who remained made a great racket. Not sure why exactly but it was good to see!

Would these happen in 2018? Not too sure. Maybe we've come accustomed to bigger things, better things as fans. The higher priced tickets, the redevelopment and the increased expectations (as well as modern football with associated increase in regulations) all play a part I feel.

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The atmosphere was pretty good at kick off and for around 15 minutes after,a bit like city's performance.

I wonder if it's because the cider wears off.!for the fans,not the players

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6 hours ago, SonOfDjuric said:

Palace is a good example, Watford too, Boro also have a dece atmosphere.

On the continent, teams like Dynamo Dresden, Sankt Pauli, even our amigos Willem II too

Watford!? Hahahahaha I live in Watford and am unfortunate to know plenty of Watford and to describe Watford  having a decent atmosphere discredits anything else you say on atmospheres.

Also, if you're gonna have a moan about people not creating an atmosphere - try spending the time singing than sat there counting people who are singing? Seems like  waste of time to me?

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7 hours ago, Red-Robbo said:

Indeed. They were loud from mid-Dolman.

But the acoustic advantage of being given a whole stand with a low roof helped them. And of course, they can't hear any singing from fans sat in our stands that are higher than the Atyeo roof.

Arrogant gits, as ever.

Yep, particularly their sarcastic applause when the 22,000 crowd was announced.

How many do they get at home?

About the same.

Don’t know what it is about Midlands clubs but Villa, Wolves and even Birmingham City (who averaged less than us last season) seem to all think we are ******* Yeovil or something.

Patronising *****.

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7 minutes ago, grifty said:

Also, if you're gonna have a moan about people not creating an atmosphere - try spending the time signing than sat there counting people who are signing? Seems like  waste of time to me?

Think his hand would start to ache after a while 

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One thing I noticed yesterday was that there was far more children in attendance than I can ever remember before. Which is great for the club.

I appreciate a good atmosphere but it’s not overly important and as a player, you rarely notice it anyway apart from pivitol moments in games. 

 

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6 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Yep, particularly their sarcastic applause when the 22,000 crowd was announced.

How many do they get at home?

About the same.

Don’t know what it is about Midlands clubs but Villa, Wolves and even Birmingham City (who averaged less than us last season) seem to all think we are ******* Yeovil or something.

Patronising *****.

 

Forest's run out music should be Living In The Past....

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5 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Yep, particularly their sarcastic applause when the 22,000 crowd was announced.

How many do they get at home?

About the same.

Don’t know what it is about Midlands clubs but Villa, Wolves and even Birmingham City (who averaged less than us last season) seem to all think we are ******* Yeovil or something.

Patronising *****.

Found a unusually high percentage of Forest fans I’ve encountered (Not all) to be arrogant ********

Purely down to one (Invpcrdible Tbf)  shortish reign under Clough 

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31 minutes ago, grifty said:

Watford!? Hahahahaha I live in Watford and am unfortunate to know plenty of Watford and to describe Watford  having a decent atmosphere discredits anything else you say on atmospheres.

Also, if you're gonna have a moan about people not creating an atmosphere - try spending the time signing than sat there counting people who are signing? Seems like  waste of time to me?

I also asked him to specify the “shit teams who have a great atmosphere” and he came up with two clubs in Premier League and one who was only recently relegated from it.

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I imagine a fair few including myself have not seen any pre season games and were more interested in watching the new guys than concentrating on singing. The atmosphere will pump up as the season moves on. 

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15 hours ago, grifty said:

Watford!? Hahahahaha I live in Watford and am unfortunate to know plenty of Watford and to describe Watford  having a decent atmosphere discredits anything else you say on atmospheres.

Also, if you're gonna have a moan about people not creating an atmosphere - try spending the time singing than sat there counting people who are singing? Seems like  waste of time to me?

Sorry shag, but am perfectly capable of counting whilst singing...

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14 hours ago, ChippenhamRed said:

I also asked him to specify the “shit teams who have a great atmosphere” and he came up with two clubs in Premier League and one who was only recently relegated from it.

Fine, Exeter, Oxford often have good atmospheres and are creating a set up not too dissimilar to Section 82. Pompey isn’t too shabby also

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3 minutes ago, SonOfDjuric said:

Fine, Exeter, Oxford often have good atmospheres and are creating a set up not too dissimilar to Section 82. Pompey isn’t too shabby also

Portsmouth has always been good. In this league, Leeds and Millwall can be good. Stoke historically too, interesting to see whether they still are after a decade or so in the Prem.

I don't think we're that bad overall, sadly I think the logistics doesn't help. The singers are as far away from the away support as possible, and we seem to need a bit of interaction to get atmosphere going.

I think best archetypal situation would be having Atyeo as ours, redevelop it and make it a moden single tiered stand, make it relaxed on standing/safe standing. Put away fans in the lower corner of the Lansdown nearest the Atyeo. Think that would produce the best atmosphere provided we could fill the new Atyeo.

Won't happen now sadly. The current logistics will never do much for the atmosphere overall with so much distance from the away support.

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The intense heat would definitely have had a detrimental affect on fans feeling boisterous, and wanting to sing.

It was bloody boiling in the lower dolman, so no doubt in the singing section too.

The game wasn't exciting for the most part, and Forest fans ( more under cover from the sun btw) were very quiet themselves until they scored when they were noisy for perhaps 10 minutes or so.

All in all I thought the atmosphere not too bad, all things considered. A more exciting game with more goalmouth action and a few tackles flying in would have helped, but basically we were baking.

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On 04/08/2018 at 18:28, ForeverRes said:

Oh dear... 

The quietest I've ever heard AG on opening day of the season.

The game was cagey and not necessarily a type of game to get the crowd going, but was bitterly disappointed. 

We all know what an AG crowd can do. But we didn't really get that advantage today.

I do believe the whole England euphoria World Cup thing has detracted from the normal anticipation of the start of season. 

For weeks we basked in the sunshine drinking heavily watching lots of football as England progressed to the semis. In many instances it was just like a normal Saturday following City, if not better on occasions. 

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On 05/08/2018 at 01:49, Ska Junkie said:

What a load of bollocks this thread is!

Yes. it was crap today but do people think it was orchestrated in yesteryear? No, fans just turned up, stood in certain areas where noise was expected and sang. If people choose to sit and watch, no problem, I'm probably one of them nowadays. 

The club have decided that the Dolman / South stand corner is now the 'noisy place', if you want to make a row, go for it, but don't criticise people that choose to sit elsewhere and don't! What happens in that corner should be more spur of the moment. That's modern football in a nutshell.

Sanctimonious prat (uber fan!). 

The big difference, IMHO, is that standing on the terrasses we become a  big single unit singing as one , sat down we are a bit more isolated and self conscious to start singing.

In the past there were more big factories where workmates would arrive as a group and sing as a group .

 I believe that people drank more as well , that didn't matter if you came on foot or on a coach but drinking and driving ( unless you're a local journalist) is too dangerous so fans are more inhibited. 

The game has changed as well less ' blood and thunder ' which got the supporters fired up but  more technical . 

The villains these days are mostly diving cheats not nasty buggers who hit one of our own and raise the shackles. 

In short , our lives and the game have become more sanitised and robbed us of our raw emotions. We can no longer release our frustrations by shouting , singing and swearing at a football ground on a Saturday afternoon.

Sit down , shut up and don't scare off the money making sponsors is the message I get from the modern game .

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11 minutes ago, Major Isewater said:

 The big difference, IMHO, is that standing on the terrasses we become a  big single unit singing as one , sat down we are a bit more isolated and self conscious to start singing.

In the past there were more big factories where workmates would arrive as a group and sing as a group .

 I believe that people drank more as well , that didn't matter if you came on foot or on a coach but drinking and driving ( unless you're a local journalist) is too dangerous so fans are more inhibited. 

The game has changed as well less ' blood and thunder ' which got the supporters fired up but  more technical . 

 The villains these days are mostly diving cheats not nasty buggers who hit one of our own and raise the shackles. 

In short , our lives and the game have become more sanitised and robbed us of our raw emotions. We can no longer release our frustrations by shouting , singing and swearing at a football ground on a Saturday afternoon.

 Sit down , shut up and don't scare off the money making sponsors is the message I get from the modern game .

Excellent post- agree with a lot of this.

It's not just even since the 70's or 80's though, to me it's continued apace despite all seaters in the late 90's and mid 2000's onwards. The increased sanitisation is a big factor, though Forest fans were quite noisy all told. (Away fans tend to be, plus they tend to stand as a rule- at minimum it is tolerated).

Re-development has played a part too I feel. More comfortable facilities don't help create a more raucous atmosphere. Definitely something seems to have been lost even in last 10-20 years let alone a longer period .Can't fully place it though- probably quite a few factors...Acceptable use of language another.

Example. Is chanting 'Where's your caravan' at a goalie with long hair a permitted chant in 2018 or would you get pulled up for racism?

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41 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said:

The intense heat would definitely have had a detrimental affect on fans feeling boisterous, and wanting to sing.

It was bloody boiling in the lower dolman, so no doubt in the singing section too.

The game wasn't exciting for the most part, and Forest fans ( more under cover from the sun btw) were very quiet themselves until they scored when they were noisy for perhaps 10 minutes or so.

All in all I thought the atmosphere not too bad, all things considered. A more exciting game with more goalmouth action and a few tackles flying in would have helped, but basically we were baking.

I actually felt myself wilting in the heat yesterday, and the cider didn’t help either,as soon as I got home I sat down and fell asleep,which pleased the missus no end.

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10 minutes ago, NOTBLUE said:

I actually felt myself wilting in the heat yesterday, and the cider didn’t help either,as soon as I got home I sat down and fell asleep,which pleased the missus no end.

' I actually felt myself wilting '

You should keep that sort of behaviour for your bedroom , you big perv !

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3 minutes ago, Major Isewater said:

' I actually felt myself wilting '

You should keep that sort of behaviour for your bedroom , you big perv !

Small Perv actually!

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34 minutes ago, Major Isewater said:

The big difference, IMHO, is that standing on the terrasses we become a  big single unit singing as one , sat down we are a bit more isolated and self conscious to start singing.

In the past there were more big factories where workmates would arrive as a group and sing as a group .

 I believe that people drank more as well , that didn't matter if you came on foot or on a coach but drinking and driving ( unless you're a local journalist) is too dangerous so fans are more inhibited. 

The game has changed as well less ' blood and thunder ' which got the supporters fired up but  more technical . 

The villains these days are mostly diving cheats not nasty buggers who hit one of our own and raise the shackles. 

In short , our lives and the game have become more sanitised and robbed us of our raw emotions. We can no longer release our frustrations by shouting , singing and swearing at a football ground on a Saturday afternoon.

Sit down , shut up and don't scare off the money making sponsors is the message I get from the modern game .

Spot on Major! 

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On 05/08/2018 at 13:32, BobBobSuperBob said:

Congratulations mate

You ‘Go again’ :thumbsup:

;)

Many thanks Bob! Third time lucky. And I am. Very lucky!

Have to be honest. Didn’t miss Saturday. The Ardeche is so much more pleasant than BS3...... 😎

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11 hours ago, Major Isewater said:

The big difference, IMHO, is that standing on the terrasses we become a  big single unit singing as one , sat down we are a bit more isolated and self conscious to start singing.

In the past there were more big factories where workmates would arrive as a group and sing as a group .

 I believe that people drank more as well , that didn't matter if you came on foot or on a coach but drinking and driving ( unless you're a local journalist) is too dangerous so fans are more inhibited. 

The game has changed as well less ' blood and thunder ' which got the supporters fired up but  more technical . 

The villains these days are mostly diving cheats not nasty buggers who hit one of our own and raise the shackles. 

In short , our lives and the game have become more sanitised and robbed us of our raw emotions. We can no longer release our frustrations by shouting , singing and swearing at a football ground on a Saturday afternoon.

Sit down , shut up and don't scare off the money making sponsors is the message I get from the modern game .

Not just the modern game major, modern life.

Only express a view and expect to be accepted if it’s agreeable to the majority. Or he who shouts loudest.

If you speak up or out you’re ******. Or ridiculed.

Won’t stop me and the boy though. If the ref’s a *** he’s a *** and it needs to be pointed out. 😀

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