City fans ejected from the South Stand at half time Vs Sheffield Utd

[Carey 6]

Quite a few in the home end again yesterday.  Picture doesn’t do it justice but caused problems yet again. 

Whenever they’re not there, there seems to be little or no trouble, a load in there yesterday, 3 (possibly more) ejections with shoddy at bet reasoning.

[Nogbad the Bad]

31 minutes ago, Carey 6 said:

Quite a few in the home end again yesterday.  Picture doesn’t do it justice but caused problems yet again. 

Whenever they’re not there, there seems to be little or no trouble, a load in there yesterday, 3 (possibly more) ejections with shoddy at bet reasoning.

Makes uneasy reading (and viewing) and fits in all too uncomfortably with my speculation on the East end thread.

A cynic might say that by permitting standing in the corner the club have got you exactly where they want you - many of the most 'volatile' fans gathered in one place where the powers that be can concentrate efforts to steward and dampen them down, while giving those fans just enough rope to hang themselves should they overdo the extra freedoms.

 

[Up The City!]

I do feel the police presence was a bit OTT yesterday.

[BTRFTG]

35 minutes ago, Carey 6 said:

3 (possibly more) ejections with shoddy at bet reasoning

Those who were ejected will have been told why. If around these parts and so inclined they can tell us why, though that's not to suggest their ejection was the result of something they did yesterday.

Forget the name of the fantastic, pragmatic copper who policed City away for years who when we were in conversation at Notts C one day broke off grabbing this bloke passing saying: "Put your hood up as I can't be bothered to take you out the ground."

"But I ain't done nothing...."

"You're subject to a three year banning order."

"Oh yeah, fair play....," and up when his his hood.

[JulieH]

1 hour ago, Carey 6 said:

Quite a few in the home end again yesterday.  Picture doesn’t do it justice but caused problems yet again. 

Whenever they’re not there, there seems to be little or no trouble, a load in there yesterday, 3 (possibly more) ejections with shoddy at bet reasoning.

These particular police were there to assist stewards ejecting 4 males from this area, which also culminated in the arrest of 1 Male.

again I will update once I know the outcome of his dealings with us. 

I will take back to my command team that you state the police help caused problems yet again, however this is the first policed game since August 4 and to my knowledge no police were there then either. If you could pm me details of the occasions it has caused problems after the Man City game in January 2018 then I will look into it.

since Man City representations were made via the supporters club about police stood in this area and there has been a massively reduced and often non existent presence in that area, I have personally just stood underneath in the concourse to assist stwerarding when smoke grenades were popular last season but again this problem appears at this stage to be under control.

i am keen to get the policing right in this area, working alongside fans and club but I am hoping now there has been an explanation as to why we were there you will understand, not necessarily agree however!!! 

[Carey 6]

36 minutes ago, JulieH said:

I will take back to my command team that you state the police help caused problems yet again, however this is the first policed game since August 4 and to my knowledge no police were there then either. If you could pm me details of the occasions it has caused problems after the Man City game in January 2018 then I will look into it.

since Man City representations were made via the supporters club about police stood in this area and there has been a massively reduced and often non existent presence in that area, I have personally just stood underneath in the concourse to assist stwerarding when smoke grenades were popular last season but again this problem appears at this stage to be under control.

i am keen to get the policing right in this area, working alongside fans and club but I am hoping now there has been an explanation as to why we were there you will understand, not necessarily agree however!!! 

So on August 4th, were police there or not, that makes little sense to me. 

Also, I’m stating it as I see it. Whenever there’s a large police presence, it gets people on edge & heightens tensions. The games you’ve not been there, in that area, in large numbers, I don’t recall seeing any trouble. 

As I earlier said It ‘seems’ as though this happens. I wasn’t stating fact, I was stating opinion.

Whether it does or not statistically you’ll have to tell us as no doubt you’ll know how many arrests/complaints there are when your team are in that area of the ground & when they’re not.  

The picture taken was also after half time, which is when they’d already been taken out of the ground, so why were they sent to stand there at that point of the match? 

Could you also tell me what games last season we had smoke grenades set off in that section of the ground If that’s your justification for being stationed there?

Have we had any this season? 

 

[JulieH]

6 minutes ago, Carey 6 said:

So on August 4th, were police there or not, that makes little sense to me. 

Also, I’m stating it as I see it. Whenever there’s a large police presence, it gets people on edge & heightens tensions. The games you’ve not been there, in that area, in large numbers, I don’t recall seeing any trouble. 

As I earlier said It ‘seems’ as though this happens. I wasn’t stating fact, I was stating opinion.

Whether it does or not statistically you’ll have to tell us as no doubt you’ll know how many arrests/complaints there are when your team are in that area of the ground & when they’re not.  

The picture taken was also after half time, which is when they’d already been taken out of the ground, so why were they sent to stand there at that point of the match? 

Could you also tell me what games last season we had smoke grenades set off in that section of the ground If that’s your justification for being stationed there?

Have we had any this season? 

 

I have already discussed before smoke grenades in that section of the ground. In partnership with the club and the supporters club we have worked with a number of younger fans in that area over the last 6 months to educate and enable the problem of smoke grenades to be significantly reduced.

We have only had 2 this season , both on the opening fixture and 2 youths were arrested and are currently going through the system.

yes police were at the game on August 4 

police were there to try to explain to other fans what had happened and assist stewards in calming situation down, once this was achieved we left. 

 

 

[Harry]

5 hours ago, BTRFTG said:

Those who were ejected will have been told why. If around these parts and so inclined they can tell us why, though that's not to suggest their ejection was the result of something they did yesterday.

Yes, I was one of those ejected and I’ll be putting a complaint in to the police and to Bristol City for the incompetence and downright lies by one of their stewards.

3 of us were ejected and 1 was arrested. The arrest was supposedly for racial aggravation. 

The incident which occurred was that I was standing in the end of a row and was half in the aisle. A steward asked me to move and to find my seat. I moved inwards and said “is that satisfactory for you” and he replied “No, you need to find your seat”. I said that the area is unreserved standing to which he replied “No, it’s unreseved seating”. 

My response to this was that he was incorrect and that I was behind a seat so that should be satisfactory. At no point was any aggressive language or behaviour used. The steward then said “well, you’re gonna move one way or the other” and he left. 

Next thing I know, halftime arrives and I make my way down the stairs and am greeted by what seemed like 50 police and stewards! 

I am led away by 2 stewards to a small room (again I react with zero aggression or rudeness). Upon arriving in the room I am filmed and told that there has been a report of racist language toward a steward. This revelation obviously stuns me and my reaction was “you must be kidding me, that’s ridiculous”. 

3 others are then brought into the room so there are 4 of us altogether. 3 of us are then ejected from the ground with no questions or charges. 1 is detained and arrested on racial aggravation. 

This is an absolute joke and the chap arrested is the furthest you can ever get from being a racist. I can 100% guarantee that nothing, absolutely nothing, was said to this steward of a racist nature. In fact, there wasn’t even any aggression, rudeness or foul language toward him. The only things said were a disagreement on the standing arrangement, and when asked to move out of the aisle, I did. 

This steward has clearly contrived a report of racism to ensure that I was “moved one way or the other” as he’d so rudely pointed out. Knowing that the police would take it seriously and react, whereas if he’d reported that he’d just been merely spoken back to he obviously wouldn’t have got his way. 

This is utterly, utterly ridiculous and I am quite frankly disgusted. A man has been accused of racism, which is now on his police record, and even though there is no evidence and no official charges, this is still on his record, and for this chap it means disastrous consequences for his life as he will not be able to continue working in his current employment with a criminal record. 

A ridiculous and totally false accusation of racism, invented by a scorned steward has had a disastrous affect on this mans life and it is a vile and disgusting act by the steward in question. 

As said at the beginning, I will be making a formal complaint to both Avon & Somerset police and to Bristol City Football Club. I am totally disgusted. 

@JulieH

[BCFC1959]

8 minutes ago, Harry said:

Yes, I was one of those ejected and I’ll be putting a complaint in to the police and to Bristol City for the incompetence and downright lies by one of their stewards.

3 of us were ejected and 1 was arrested. The arrest was supposedly for racial aggravation. 

The incident which occurred was that I was standing in the end of a row and was half in the aisle. A steward asked me to move and to find my seat. I moved inwards and said “is that satisfactory for you” and he replied “No, you need to find your seat”. I said that the area is unreserved standing to which he replied “No, it’s unreseved seating”. 

My response to this was that he was incorrect and that I was behind a seat so that should be satisfactory. At no point was any aggressive language or behaviour used. The steward then said “well, you’re gonna move one way or the other” and he left. 

Next thing I know, halftime arrives and I make my way down the stairs and am greeted by what seemed like 50 police and stewards! 

I am led away by 2 stewards to a small room (again I react with zero aggression or rudeness). Upon arriving in the room I am filmed and told that there has been a report of racist language toward a steward. This revelation obviously stuns me and my reaction was “you must be kidding me, that’s ridiculous”. 

3 others are then brought into the room so there are 4 of us altogether. 3 of us are then ejected from the ground with no questions or charges. 1 is detained and arrested on racial aggravation. 

This is an absolute joke and the chap arrested is the furthest you can ever get from being a racist. I can 100% guarantee that nothing, absolutely nothing, was said to this steward of a racist nature. In fact, there wasn’t even any aggression, rudeness or foul language toward him. The only things said were a disagreement on the standing arrangement, and when asked to move out of the aisle, I did. 

This steward has clearly contrived a report of racism to ensure that I was “moved one way or the other” as he’d so rudely pointed out. Knowing that the police would take it seriously and react, whereas if he’d reported that he’d just been merely spoken back to he obviously wouldn’t have got his way. 

This is utterly, utterly ridiculous and I am quite frankly disgusted. A man has been accused of racism, which is now on his police record, and even though there is no evidence and no official charges, this is still on his record, and for this chap it means disastrous consequences for his life as he will not be able to continue working in his current employment with a criminal record. 

A ridiculous and totally false accusation of racism, invented by a scorned steward has had a disastrous affect on this mans life and it is a vile and disgusting act by the steward in question. 

As said at the beginning, I will be making a formal complaint to both Avon & Somerset police and to Bristol City Football Club. I am totally disgusted. 

@JulieH

I was also one of the 4 ejected and I too will be making formal complaints.

We were dealt with disgracefully and a mate of ours falsley accused of racism.

All due to complete and utter fabrication of the facts by a steward.

Absolutely disgusted with the way we were treated.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[BTRFTG]

7 minutes ago, Harry said:

Yes, I was one of those ejected and I’ll be putting a complaint in to the police and to Bristol City for the incompetence and downright lies by one of their stewards.

3 of us were ejected and 1 was arrested. The arrest was supposedly for racial aggravation. 

The incident which occurred was that I was standing in the end of a row and was half in the aisle. A steward asked me to move and to find my seat. I moved inwards and said “is that satisfactory for you” and he replied “No, you need to find your seat”. I said that the area is unreserved standing to which he replied “No, it’s unreseved seating”. 

My response to this was that he was incorrect and that I was behind a seat so that should be satisfactory. At no point was any aggressive language or behaviour used. The steward then said “well, you’re gonna move one way or the other” and he left. 

Next thing I know, halftime arrives and I make my way down the stairs and am greeted by what seemed like 50 police and stewards! 

I am led away by 2 stewards to a small room (again I react with zero aggression or rudeness). Upon arriving in the room I am filmed and told that there has been a report of racist language toward a steward. This revelation obviously stuns me and my reaction was “you must be kidding me, that’s ridiculous”. 

3 others are then brought into the room so there are 4 of us altogether. 3 of us are then ejected from the ground with no questions or charges. 1 is detained and arrested on racial aggravation. 

This is an absolute joke and the chap arrested is the furthest you can ever get from being a racist. I can 100% guarantee that nothing, absolutely nothing, was said to this steward of a racist nature. In fact, there wasn’t even any aggression, rudeness or foul language toward him. The only things said were a disagreement on the standing arrangement, and when asked to move out of the aisle, I did. 

This steward has clearly contrived a report of racism to ensure that I was “moved one way or the other” as he’d so rudely pointed out. Knowing that the police would take it seriously and react, whereas if he’d reported that he’d just been merely spoken back to he obviously wouldn’t have got his way. 

This is utterly, utterly ridiculous and I am quite frankly disgusted. A man has been accused of racism, which is now on his police record, and even though there is no evidence and no official charges, Thai is still on his record, and for this chap it means disastrous consequences for his life as he will not be able to continue working in his current employment with a criminal record. 

A ridiculous and totally false accusation of racism, invented by a scorned steward has had a disastrous affect on this mans life and it is a vile and disgusting act by the steward in question. 

As said at the beginning, I will be making a formal complaint to both Avon & Somerset police and to Bristol City Football Club. I am totally disgusted. 

@JulieH

If that's true that's very worrying and for those ejected, but not arrested, the club should have at least given you confirmation (verbally with a commitment to put in writing, perhaps they should have pre-printed pro-formas,) of why they considered you to be in breach of their terms. As you weren't arrested you'd have to take it up with the club, as in such case the police will be acting on behalf of the club in enforcing the steward's request to have you ejected. I'd have expected at least the steward's senior first speak with you to explain any allegation.

As to your mate, if he's been charged with racial aggravation then the complainant will have to demonstrate malice or ill-will based upon their ethnicity. Doesn't have to be verbal but there aren't many gestures that reference ethnicity so that would be easy to ascertain. To be arrested one might imagine the police had first investigated whether they thought there were sufficient grounds and in reality that has to be more than a single, off the cuff remark or gesture. Malice and ill-will implies it's sustained over a period. If arrested and not subsequently charged then your mate has a clear route for seeking redress for defamation of character from the police and should that cost him his livelihood that's a substantive claim, particularly if he's not previously known to the police. 

[Harry]

44 minutes ago, BTRFTG said:

If that's true that's very worrying and for those ejected, but not arrested, the club should have at least given you confirmation (verbally with a commitment to put in writing, perhaps they should have pre-printed pro-formas,) of why they considered you to be in breach of their terms. As you weren't arrested you'd have to take it up with the club, as in such case the police will be acting on behalf of the club in enforcing the steward's request to have you ejected. I'd have expected at least the steward's senior first speak with you to explain any allegation.

As to your mate, if he's been charged with racial aggravation then the complainant will have to demonstrate malice or ill-will based upon their ethnicity. Doesn't have to be verbal but there aren't many gestures that reference ethnicity so that would be easy to ascertain. To be arrested one might imagine the police had first investigated whether they thought there were sufficient grounds and in reality that has to be more than a single, off the cuff remark or gesture. Malice and ill-will implies it's sustained over a period. If arrested and not subsequently charged then your mate has a clear route for seeking redress for defamation of character from the police and should that cost him his livelihood that's a substantive claim, particularly if he's not previously known to the police. 

I spoke with the Head Steward after I was escorted off the premises. I’ve known him for a long time as he’s stewarded the area for years so I asked for a quiet word. The steward in question was one I’d never seen before so I asked the Head Steward if he knew him. The Head Steward said he did not know of him. I said it’s a bit strange that the Head Steward did not know one of the stewards? 

Anyway, as far as I understand the law at the moment, if any allegation of racial abuse is made, the police MUST arrest the suspect, with or without any proof/evidence. Even if no charges are brought this still sits on your record. Basically anyone can accuse anyone else of racism and the person HAS to be arrested! 

The arrest sits in your database regardless and you need to appeal against the arrest and then if you are successful you then have to apply to have the record removed. A lengthy process by the sounds of it. 

The guy in question was informed at the police station what he was accused of saying and I’ve been told by him what this is. And trust me when I say, this guy would NEVER EVER say something like that. It’s a total fallacy. And no one else in the area heard anything of this nature. Before being detained they advised that CCTV would be available and viewed at by 4:30, but lo and behold this evidence never showed up and he was detained. 

[Mr Popodopolous]

15 minutes ago, Harry said:

I spoke with the Head Steward after I was escorted off the premises. I’ve known him for a long time as he’s stewarded the area for years so I asked for a quiet word. The steward in question was one I’d never seen before so I asked the Head Steward if he knew him. The Head Steward said he did not know of him. I said it’s a bit strange that the Head Steward did not know one of the stewards? 

Anyway, as far as I understand the law at the moment, if any allegation of racial abuse is made, the police MUST arrest the suspect, with or without any proof/evidence. Even if no charges are brought this still sits on your record. Basically anyone can accuse anyone else of racism and the person HAS to be arrested! 

The arrest sits in your database regardless and you need to appeal against the arrest and then if you are successful you then have to apply to have the record removed. A lengthy process by the sounds of it. 

The guy in question was informed at the police station what he was accused of saying and I’ve been told by him what this is. And trust me when I say, this guy would NEVER EVER say something like that. It’s a total fallacy. And no one else in the area heard anything of this nature. Before being detained they advised that CCTV would be available and viewed at by 4:30, but lo and behold this evidence never showed up and he was detained. 

You may want to contact FSF Faircop about it- that's their Twitter handle too, if you make little headway.  Their Twitter handle is @ FSF_Faircop

They're pretty good by all accounts.

[gl1]

1 hour ago, Harry said:

Yes, I was one of those ejected and I’ll be putting a complaint in to the police and to Bristol City for the incompetence and downright lies by one of their stewards.

3 of us were ejected and 1 was arrested. The arrest was supposedly for racial aggravation. 

The incident which occurred was that I was standing in the end of a row and was half in the aisle. A steward asked me to move and to find my seat. I moved inwards and said “is that satisfactory for you” and he replied “No, you need to find your seat”. I said that the area is unreserved standing to which he replied “No, it’s unreseved seating”. 

My response to this was that he was incorrect and that I was behind a seat so that should be satisfactory. At no point was any aggressive language or behaviour used. The steward then said “well, you’re gonna move one way or the other” and he left. 

Next thing I know, halftime arrives and I make my way down the stairs and am greeted by what seemed like 50 police and stewards! 

I am led away by 2 stewards to a small room (again I react with zero aggression or rudeness). Upon arriving in the room I am filmed and told that there has been a report of racist language toward a steward. This revelation obviously stuns me and my reaction was “you must be kidding me, that’s ridiculous”. 

3 others are then brought into the room so there are 4 of us altogether. 3 of us are then ejected from the ground with no questions or charges. 1 is detained and arrested on racial aggravation. 

This is an absolute joke and the chap arrested is the furthest you can ever get from being a racist. I can 100% guarantee that nothing, absolutely nothing, was said to this steward of a racist nature. In fact, there wasn’t even any aggression, rudeness or foul language toward him. The only things said were a disagreement on the standing arrangement, and when asked to move out of the aisle, I did. 

This steward has clearly contrived a report of racism to ensure that I was “moved one way or the other” as he’d so rudely pointed out. Knowing that the police would take it seriously and react, whereas if he’d reported that he’d just been merely spoken back to he obviously wouldn’t have got his way. 

This is utterly, utterly ridiculous and I am quite frankly disgusted. A man has been accused of racism, which is now on his police record, and even though there is no evidence and no official charges, this is still on his record, and for this chap it means disastrous consequences for his life as he will not be able to continue working in his current employment with a criminal record. 

A ridiculous and totally false accusation of racism, invented by a scorned steward has had a disastrous affect on this mans life and it is a vile and disgusting act by the steward in question. 

As said at the beginning, I will be making a formal complaint to both Avon & Somerset police and to Bristol City Football Club. I am totally disgusted. 

@JulieH

If your account of the events that lead to the arrest are balanced and accurate this is an appalling abuse of the stewards powers. You cannot blame the police for following up the accusation but it would appear that there may be many others witness to the conversation, in and around the aisle you’re were in and you need to find them. Due to the severity of the accusation and the potential impact on your friends employment and future employment I urge the club to firstly launch an investigation and secondly play an active part in appealing for witnesses. Any witness can easily be checked on cctv as the club records and documents any altercation between staff and fans via cctv.

i wish you and especially your friend the best of luck resolving this. I too am absolutely furious that, if how you reported it is factual and true, the full weight of the law should chastise the steward for his actions

 

best of luck mate, could you keep this forum informed of how you are getting on?

[JulieH]

1 hour ago, Harry said:

I spoke with the Head Steward after I was escorted off the premises. I’ve known him for a long time as he’s stewarded the area for years so I asked for a quiet word. The steward in question was one I’d never seen before so I asked the Head Steward if he knew him. The Head Steward said he did not know of him. I said it’s a bit strange that the Head Steward did not know one of the stewards? 

Anyway, as far as I understand the law at the moment, if any allegation of racial abuse is made, the police MUST arrest the suspect, with or without any proof/evidence. Even if no charges are brought this still sits on your record. Basically anyone can accuse anyone else of racism and the person HAS to be arrested! 

The arrest sits in your database regardless and you need to appeal against the arrest and then if you are successful you then have to apply to have the record removed. A lengthy process by the sounds of it. 

The guy in question was informed at the police station what he was accused of saying and I’ve been told by him what this is. And trust me when I say, this guy would NEVER EVER say something like that. It’s a total fallacy. And no one else in the area heard anything of this nature. Before being detained they advised that CCTV would be available and viewed at by 4:30, but lo and behold this evidence never showed up and he was detained. 

I am hopeful your and the other witness details were taken by police at the time?

if not feel free to e mail me witness details and when I am back in the office on Tuesday I will ensure the officer dealing is aware and can make contact appropriately 

e mail address is:

julie.hayward@avonandsomerset.pnn.police.uk

our role is to investigate and collect evidence from all sources including witnesses and cctv ( if appropriate) before a charging decision can be made. 

[Harry]

7 minutes ago, JulieH said:

I am hopeful your and the other witness details were taken by police at the time?

if not feel free to e mail me witness details and when I am back in the office on Tuesday I will ensure the officer dealing is aware and can make contact appropriately 

e mail address is:

julie.hayward@avonandsomerset.pnn.police.uk

our role is to investigate and collect evidence from all sources including witnesses and cctv ( if appropriate) before a charging decision can be made. 

No. No details were taken by the police at the time. All 3 of us were ejected and no discussions occurred with any police officers. Should it have done? 

[BTRFTG]

2 hours ago, Harry said:

Anyway, as far as I understand the law at the moment, if any allegation of racial abuse is made, the police MUST arrest the suspect, with or without any proof/evidence. 

That is not true. The police have to have reasonable and proportionate grounds upon which to arrest and that's somewhat more than the unilateral word of an individual. Aggravation requires malice or ill-will  such it would  be reasonable for an arresting officer to have first ascertained whether the comments or gestures were sustained, directed and unambiguous. Arrest is a serious loss of liberty, hence my point as to should charges not follow and should one demonstrate the that arrest was unreasonable then the police are on the hook for damages, including those to reputation. They're extremely conscious how expensive that can prove hence tend to err on the side of caution in demanding more than individual hearsay. If they've erred then the types of 'damage' you mention count considerably to the value of any compensation payable, including whether or not arrest or subsequent prosecution was malicious.

[BobBobSuperBob]

47 minutes ago, JulieH said:

I am hopeful your and the other witness details were taken by police at the time?

if not feel free to e mail me witness details and when I am back in the office on Tuesday I will ensure the officer dealing is aware and can make contact appropriately 

e mail address is:

julie.hayward@avonandsomerset.pnn.police.uk

our role is to investigate and collect evidence from all sources including witnesses and cctv ( if appropriate) before a charging decision can be made. 

 

39 minutes ago, Harry said:

No. No details were taken by the police at the time. All 3 of us were ejected and no discussions occurred with any police officers. Should it have done? 

It seems the officers dealing with the matter have ‘conveniently’  Ignored the simplest basics @JulieH and ‘ conveniently’ failed to take details of witnesses that could be pivotal to the accuseds defence

 

Hmmmmmmmmmm

Not good is it ?

Doesnt sound a very professional or competent  ‘investigation’ does it (Incredible lack of basics or deliberate ?)

 

 

 

@Harry & @BCFC1959

 

As for your explanation 

‘ I am led away by 2 stewards to a small room (again I react with zero aggression or rudeness). Upon arriving in the room I am filmed and told that there has been a report of racist language toward a steward. This revelation obviously stuns me and my reaction was “you must be kidding me, that’s ridiculous”. 

 3 others are then brought into the room so there are 4 of us altogether. 3 of us are then ejected from the ground with no questions or charges. 1 is detained and arrested on racial aggravation. 

 

1 Who took you to a room (? Stewards only ?  ) Under what power ?

2 It sounds as if you have been detained , without being arrested - (Sounding false imprisonment to me )

3 Who filmed you and under what power ?

 

Sounds like the Police and / or stewards have overstepped their powers here before we talk your clear explanation / accusation that the Steward has perverted the course of justice in a most serious way 

 

Has your friend arrested been charged do you know? @BCFC1959

 

 

@Matt Parsons BCFCSLO - something you certainly should be aware of I’d suggest

[Guest]

If there was any "racial aggravation" surely you/friend/fellow supporter would have been arrested or taken out the stands straight away? Why would they wait until half time for you to walk down to them? Seems very odd and clueless by the Stewards and Police - although I agree that the Police probably will only have been advised to arrest etc by the stewards.

[BTRFTG]

1 hour ago, Harry said:

No. No details were taken by the police at the time. All 3 of us were ejected and no discussions occurred with any police officers. Should it have done? 

Not necessarily. That's why you need to establish why you were ejected? Being removed from the ground by stewards for failing to comply with the terms of admission is a matter for the club, not police. You admit to standing in a proscribed area (the aisle that forms the emergency exit) but state you removed yourself when asked. Most reasonable people might conclude you were reckless in the former though reasonable in complying when pointed the error of your ways. In case you were asked to comply and thereafter refused so to do it would be entirely reasonable for the club to oblige you to leave, but as you state this wasn't the case. Breaching the terms of admission is a civil matter, though where it might be argued you'd endangered others by your actions then it would become a police matter.

[JulieH]

10 hours ago, Harry said:

No. No details were taken by the police at the time. All 3 of us were ejected and no discussions occurred with any police officers. Should it have done? 

Not necessarily, but I will get hold of the officer dealing to ensure you will all be contacted .

thank you 

[JulieH]

10 hours ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

 

It seems the officers dealing with the matter have ‘conveniently’  Ignored the simplest basics @JulieH and ‘ conveniently’ failed to take details of witnesses that could be pivotal to the accuseds defence

 

Hmmmmmmmmmm

Not good is it ?

Doesnt sound a very professional or competent  ‘investigation’ does it (Incredible lack of basics or deliberate ?)

 

 

 

@Harry & @BCFC1959

 

As for your explanation 

‘ I am led away by 2 stewards to a small room (again I react with zero aggression or rudeness). Upon arriving in the room I am filmed and told that there has been a report of racist language toward a steward. This revelation obviously stuns me and my reaction was “you must be kidding me, that’s ridiculous”. 

 3 others are then brought into the room so there are 4 of us altogether. 3 of us are then ejected from the ground with no questions or charges. 1 is detained and arrested on racial aggravation. 

 

1 Who took you to a room (? Stewards only ?  ) Under what power ?

2 It sounds as if you have been detained , without being arrested - (Sounding false imprisonment to me )

3 Who filmed you and under what power ?

 

Sounds like the Police and / or stewards have overstepped their powers here before we talk your clear explanation / accusation that the Steward has perverted the course of justice in a most serious way 

 

Has your friend arrested been charged do you know? @BCFC1959

 

 

@Matt Parsons BCFCSLO - something you certainly should be aware of I’d suggest

I think if u read Harry’s reply witness details were taken, I am just ensuring that the oic is aware? 

 

[BobBobSuperBob]

1 hour ago, JulieH said:

I think if u read Harry’s reply witness details were taken, I am just ensuring that the oic is aware? 

 

Really ? 

Not as I read it as below 

12 hours ago, JulieH said:

I am hopeful your and the other witness details were taken by police at the time?

our role is to investigate and collect evidence from all sources including witnesses and cctv ( if appropriate) before a charging decision can be made. 

 

12 hours ago, Harry said:

No. No details were taken by the police at the time. 

 

[RedLionLad]

Anyone else getting totally pissed off with this racism malarkey?

 

How nice it must be that just one word can be used to pervert the course of justice. It has almost become a weapon.

[BigAl&Toby]

4 minutes ago, RedLionLad said:

Anyone else getting totally pissed off with this racism malarkey?

 

How nice it must be that just one word can be used to pervert the course of justice. It has almost become a weapon.

What’s the word?

Not really. Can’t see any justification for it in any set of circumstances.

What am I missing?

[BobBobSuperBob]

6 minutes ago, RedLionLad said:

Anyone else getting totally pissed off with this racism malarkey?

 

How nice it must be that just one word can be used to pervert the course of justice. It has almost become a weapon.

Anyone astute who adds that claim to any other allegations knows that it ramps up the situation five fold and will ensure a whole host of action 

Like sexual allegations - ‘ Easy to allege , difficult to disprove ‘

 

[BobBobSuperBob]

3 minutes ago, BigAlToby&Liam said:

What’s the word?

Not really. Can’t see any justification for it in any set of circumstances.

What am I missing?

We don’t know the actual allegation of racist behaviour here Al

But I think Red Lion is highlighting that if someone makes a racial claim in any verbal exchange a balloon goes off

If that claim is false , a lie , it’s a serious (Consequences for those falsely accused) perverting course of justice

[richwwtk]

44 minutes ago, BigAlToby&Liam said:

What’s the word?

Not really. Can’t see any justification for it in any set of circumstances.

What am I missing?

I think the word is racism. He was saying that he's pissed off with it being used falsely in order to heighten the severity of an offence. (I think).

[RedLionLad]

1 hour ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

We don’t know the actual allegation of racist behaviour here Al

But I think Red Lion is highlighting that if someone makes a racial claim in any verbal exchange a balloon goes off

If that claim is false , a lie , it’s a serious (Consequences for those falsely accused) perverting course of justice

......and once the accusation has been made, how the hell can you defend yourself?

 

Someone throws mud. Mud sticks.

[Harry]

5 hours ago, JulieH said:

Not necessarily, but I will get hold of the officer dealing to ensure you will all be contacted .

thank you 

You should now have received an email from me. Also copied in to Matt Parsons, Dave Storr, The FSF, Supporters Trust and Jon Lansdown. 

[JulieH]

1 minute ago, Harry said:

You should now have received an email from me. Also copied in to Matt Parsons, Dave Storr, The FSF and Jon Lansdown. 

Thank you, I am in tomorrow to travel to West Brom so will have a look before I leave