Lansdown's Jobs For The Boys - The Famous Five

[Natchfever]

1 hour ago, billywedlock said:

I don't think Pat Lam would be at Bristol if that was the case 

SL made an arse of himself listening to Chris Booy and sticking with Robinson so he had to do something or he would fail in his dream of establishing a top rugby side. Fact is Pat Lam wont have cost the earth and the worlds most expensive player (allegedly) probably earns as much as Weiman.SL can get his kicks far more cheaply in rugby but even so I suspect they are well within the salary cap so are favourites for relegation. SL therefore does control Pat Lam because the squad is big in numbers but thin in quality and depth.

[Xiled]

1999 relegation - Benny Lennartsson

2013 relegation - Sean O'Driscoll

We would have also gone down if another non-friend/family member (Derek McInnes) had stayed in charge in 2013. Tony Pulis set about destroying the club from the inside. Steve Coppell had all the staying power of a feather in a hurricane. Danny Wilson kept us there or thereabouts in the Division III for too many years.

All of the appointments that are criticised as 'jobs for the boys' have actually done quite well when managing/coaching (with the exception of Brian Tinnion). And I've no idea why Stephen Lansdown shouldn't be allowed to appoint a vice-chairman he trusts? If millions of pounds of my own money were at stake, I would probably trust my family before complete strangers.

You might not like the individuals or the way they were appointed but that doesn't mean they've been bad decisions.

We are a lower end Championship club by nearly every metric. We've got a fantastic stadium but that doesn't change the fact that we are roughly were we should be in the football pyrimid.

We all want more. I get that. This season is not what any of us were hoping for and I personally think LJ has had more than a fair chance now. But I've got very little criticism for the commitment that Steve Lansdown has shown to the club. As such, I think he's allowed to make whatever appointments he likes.

[Alex_BCFC]

I'm still waiting for one of the queue of investors looking at City to come in and make us like Man City...Oh wait a minute, no one has shown any interest over the past x years.

This guy allows us to play Championship football, have a great stadium, and will hopefully get us to the Prem. Without him, no one can for sure say where we would be but I suspect it would in the old AG in League 1 - at best like a Barnsley.

He is actually trying to do it the right way by investing in talented youngsters that either get us up the table or we sell on so we can keep re-investing.

He has made mistakes (most people do in business BTW). I personally think he will have a big decision to make on LJ at some point again this season too. He shouldn't be above criticism and isn't. But to be honest unless someone comes in with loads of money and a great idea on how to manage the club better then I will continue to say thanks a lot to a guy who continues to keep us going and invest in players etc. Especially when you think of some of the chairmen that have come in over the years and messed up clubs (Hull, Coventry, Blackpool, Blackburn, Portsmouth, Leeds, Newcastle and probably loads more I've missed).

 

 

[Curr Avon]

5 hours ago, JBFC II said:

Why don't we look at the managers who weren't jobs for the boys then? 

O'driscoll, coppell, mcinnes, cotterill. 

All of them have a worse record at championship level than LJ... 

Mcinnes had his budget slashed by 50% prior to the 2012/13 season. No wonder we struggled.

O'Driscoll inherited McInne's financial hardships and we slumped to relegation.

Coppell managed us for 1 League game.

If SL had backed Cotterill in the transfer market, by signing the rumoured high calibrate targets Harry Maguire and Andre Gray in the Summer of 2015, then we could have seen a second successive promotion push. Mind you, by going a bit tonto, Cotterill only had himself to blame when his P45 arrived the following January.

Compared to that bunch, LJ's had loadsamoney.

[Lrrr]

4 minutes ago, Curr Avon said:

Mcinnes had his budget slashed by 50% prior to the 2012/13 season. No wonder we struggled.

O'Driscoll inherited McInne's financial hardships and we slumped to relegation.

Coppell managed us for 1 League game.

If SL had backed Cotterill in the transfer market, by signing the rumoured high calibrate targets Harry Maguire and Andre Gray in the Summer of 2015, then we could have seen a second successive promotion push. Mind you, by going a bit tonto, Cotterill only had himself to blame when his P45 arrived the following January.

Compared to that bunch, LJ's had loadsamoney.

At the same time though the rumour of the time was that it wasn't SL who backtracked on the fees.

[Spike]

6 hours ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said:

Lansdown's Job for the Fans:

1)We are still Bristol City

2)We play in an amazing Stadium

3)We have a fantastic training set up and facilities

4) Our youth policy is actually working for the first time ever.

5) Despite losing millions and millions and millions - he still covers the losses and invests in the club

 

I'm completely bewildered why he does it especially when the minute it's not going to the fan's plans or time frame - he and his family get contemptible abuse but please Steve.....

Do it again.

To be fair the fans appreciate the business side he's brought to the club, it's the football side of things we get frustrated with and this post does a great job of highlighting why. 

I like SL, but I hate him choosing our managers and I'd much rather than side of Bristol City would be left to staff who know their football. 

[KeepUpLino]

7 hours ago, Boston Red said:

LANSDOWN'S JOBS FOR THE BOYS. NUMBER 1. BRIAN TINNION.

Danny Wilson had lost us the play off final and had failed to get us promoted in four full seasons. Lansdown wanted to cut costs, so they parted company, and then, suddenly, without advertising the job or running interviews (unprofessional), he appointed Tinnion as player-manager. From nowhere. He had no experience. This would cost us one of our very best players. The fans were bemused. The dressing room was bemused. Tinnion always implied he did not have the support of the dressing room, and that there were bad eggs in there not playing for him. Lansdown had to come into the dressing room at times for teamtalks (eg Colchester at home). But the truth is, the dressing room
were probably just as confused as the fans. Lansdown came out fighting.

"Tinnion is not the cheap option. He is the right option"

It is arrogant of Lansdown to think that he is an alchemist who can just make a football manager out of anyone he pleases. You have to have certain talents. Brian Clough said "When you get success for a chairman, he is resentful, and thinks that anyone could have done what you did." But Lansdown was defiant.

"Judge me on Tinnion." He said, loudly and publicly.

OK Steve, I will. Tinnion is currently sat in the dugout in Swansea in an empty stadium 40 minutes after the final whistle. We have lost 7-1. He has a "Vietnam-Vet thousand yard stare" into the distance. He refuses to go back into the dressing room. He refuses to do the press, and Lansdown has to do it. "It could have been 10" Steve told the media. The next day Lansdown goes round to TInnion's house. Tinnion says he cannot face taking training on Monday. Let's be clear. He has not resigned. He has ABDICATED. He has remained in the post of manager while refusing to fulfill his duties. Lansdown has to sack him. I have never seen or heard of a manager ABDICATING like that in 30 years of
following football. Since that day, Tinnion has never tried to be a manager again. He wasn't a manager that failed. He wasn't a manager at all. That bad appointment meant BCFC wasted another 2 years in the third tier. It is the old business saying. "You spend 1% of the time recruiting badly, and 99% of the time dealing from the fallout of your bad recruitment." And this from a so-called business expert!!!

But Lansdown learnt from his mistakes, went through a lengthy search for his next manager, appointed Gary Johnson who had two promotions under his belt, and GJ took us up in his first full season, and then in the Championship, in our first season back, we were TOP with ten games to go. He took us from the bottom of the third tier to the top of the second tier in less than two and a half seasons. Brilliant. When GJ goes, Lansdown has learnt from his mistakes again, and appoints Coppell. But Coppell did not apply for the job. Lansdown headhunted him. Bad sign. Then Coppell won't take over because............he has a holiday in America booked. Clearly he did not really want the job. You can lead a horse to water.........etc etc. Coppell walks, and Lansdown looks silly. Coppell said on Talksport "I was a bit disappointed with the environment I found myself in." Yes Steve Coppell, we know. BCFC is run in an amateurish fashion. And now we come to..............................

LANSDOWN'S JOBS FOR THE BOYS. NUMBER 2. KEITH MILLEN.

You could not have sneezed in the time it took for Lansdown to appoint Millen after Coppell walked. Most Bristol City fans went to bcfc.co.uk and saw the headline "Coppell walks, Millen appointed." Many of them said "Hang on a minute, what just happened there? Why the haste?" Here we go again. Again Lansdown comes out publicly and says "Keith was second in the list behind Coppell. Did a great job as caretaker manager." True, but City now find themselves in a relegation battle. Millen gets us out of it. But the next season another one starts. Millen was on the radio last night. Anyone with half a brain can see he is not a leader of men. He has a voice like soggy cardboard and the manner of a primary school teacher talking gently to six year olds. But no!!! Steve Lansdown can make a football manager out of anyone!!! You just have to flatter his ego and be a thirty-something ex- Bristol City footballer with no experience at all. Under stress people revert to type, and the stress of losing Coppell had reverted Lansdown back into his old error of mediocre internal appointments.

Some of the things Millen said were embarrassing. After losing 3-0 at home to Ipswich on the opening day of the 2011/12 season, Millen said "I didn't see that coming!". By Jove, Keef, the ups and downs of being a football manager. And when we were 2-0 up at home to Reading with ten minutes to go and lost 3-2, Millen said, a few days later "I'm over it now." Well I'm glad you are over it now, Keef, because in a few days you are going to lead your team up to Blackpool, lose 5-0, and lose your job. There is a long delay while City appoint the next manager because..............................wait for it..............................our owner has gone to Africa. This is amateurish. McInnes has had his interview, wants the job, but is kept waiting (City now lose another two games) while Steve finishes safari. But he comes in, turns it round, wins 4 and draws 1 (away to West Ham) and gets us out of the relegation zone. Lansdown then goes on the radio.

I could not believe my ears. I am expecting him to say "Didn't want to sack Millen but it had to be done, but what a great manager we have in Derek Mcinnes. With the same players he has dragged us up the league with 13 points out of 15. Great track record in Scotland, we are really looking forward to hitting the play off places next season."
Lansdown barely mentions McInnes once. Instead he launches into a passionate defence of Keith Millen. Voice quivering with emotion, he tells us how he did not want to sack Keith, and how he cannot wait to give him a glowing reference. How must McInnes have felt hearing that? Clearly if you are a nice-guy yes man like Lee Johnson or Keith Millen
then Lansdown feels a burning personal loyalty to you because you flatter his ego. A winner like McInnes or Cotterill? Not so much. They are discarded very quickly, as soon as possible. Note also that Millen, like Tinnion, never wanted another manager's job again. He was never a manager in the first place.

LANSDOWN'S JOBS FOR THE BOYS. NUMBER 3. JON LANSDOWN.

Do you know Jon Lansdown's job title without looking it up? I don't either.

Do you know what Jon Lansdown actually does at BS3? I don't either.

Do you know what thing Jon Lansdown has to do in the next 18 months otherwise he will get the sack? There isn't one.

Look, of course Steve wants his son to have a job, and Jon Lansdown is surely not the worst employee at BS3. And I am not blaming him. He seems a nice down-to earth guy. And why wouldn't you accept a good job if it was offered to you? But it is jobs for the boys.

LANSDOWN'S JOBS FOR THE BOYS. NUMBER 4. LEE JOHNSON.

So City plummet down the leagues and are back where they started. Facing relegation to the fourth tier. Where they were when Tinnion left. We have spent 50 million for nothing because we can't get a good manager. Lansdown now approves of Keith Dawe's suggestion of Cotterill, who has a good track record. You see, Steve Lansdown can appoint a good manager. We just have to be in the relegation zone of the third tier for him to do it.  His two successful appointments are Gary Johnson and Steve Cotterill, both of whom were appointed when we were facing relegation to the fourth tier. The Five Pillars goes out of the window and we sign 35 year old Wade Elliot. There isn't time for managerial mumbo-jumbo in a relegation battle. Cotterill saves us from relegation, gets us up, but Lansdown seems distant. He doesn't even attend the Wembley
final (Africa again). Cotterill identifies Harry Maguire and Andre Gray, who would have been brilliant signings whom we could have sold on for a King's ransom. But the club isn't interested, Cotterill loses his mojo, so Lansdown appoints Lee Johnson. His record at Oldham and Barnsley is W1 D1 L1. 46 (yes forty-six) signing later, and 25 million pounds
spent, LJ's record at BCFC is..........wait for it.....................W1 D1 L1. He only ever was an average football manager. We could have given the job and all that money to someone
better. But note how a bland Yes-man excites Lansdowns loyalty, like Millen. LJ was given a 3.5 year contract, from 2016 to summer 2019. Generous. He keeps us up in his first half season. Then he spends 11 million. In October City are in 6th. He still has almost 3 years of the contract to go. But Lansdown gives him an extension of another year, to summer 2020. Why? We can only conclude that Lansdown is blown away by the talk, and thinks LJ is much better than he is. Why doesn't he just leave him on his current contract? He's not going anywhere. You know when single women finally find a man and start ringing their friends and family after only two weeks, getting over-excited and over
hopeful? It ends and then they look stupid. Well Lansdown looked stupid when as soon as adding a year to LJ's contract City lost 13 out of 16 league games (including 8 in a row), and were in relegation danger.

Before the Man U game last season, Lansdown told the Sun he prefers Lee Johnson to Jose Mourinho. Excuse me? Yes, Jose is alienating everyone with his negative talk. But he has won over 20 major trophies, including the Champions League, across all of Europe while Lee Johnson has won the square root of diddly squitt. What can we conclude other than that the major requirement of Steve Lansdown's manager seems to be that you flatter his ego first, and win things second?

LANSDOWN'S JOBS FOR THE BOYS. NUMBER 5. JAMIE MCALLISTER.

City are in relegation danger. Lansdown has to do something. Can't sack Golden Boy!!! So he sacks John Pemberton. Then he goes on Radio Bristol. He tells Twentyman "We've appointed Macca...............er.......................er..........................I mean............................Jamie Mcallister." Jobs for the boys.

At some point in the next 5 years Lansdown will have to appoint a new manager. Let us face it, he will be pining and yearning and aching to appoint Jamie Mcallister. Mcallister is small. He has no managerial experience. He played for Bristol City. He is young. He is an internal appointment. He is the classic Lansdown appointee. Lansdown has shown he can appoint a good manager when he has to, like Gary Johnson and Steve Cotterill, but he prefers the Millen/Tinnion/Johnson style appointment. A businessman once said "I am intelligent enough to appoint men more intelligent than I am." Let us hope Steve Lansdown can do that. Socrates said "I know nothing. I am only wise because unlike everyone else, I know that I know nothing". Let us hope that Steve Lansdown can say to himself "I am rubbish at appointing football managers. But at least I know that, and therefore I need to get someone else to do it, or take bucketloads of advice as I do it."

City fans were bewildered when Tinnion got the job without a proper process. City fans were bewildered when Millen got the job without a proper process. City fans were bewildered when Lee Johnson got the job when his record at Oldham and Barnsley was so mediocre. Please Steve. Not again.

Best post ever on OTIB 

[Robbored]

9 minutes ago, Spike said:

I like SL, but I hate him choosing our managers and I'd much rather than side of Bristol City would be left to staff who know their football. 

SL freely admits that he’s not a football expert and that’s why he employs people with the knowledge of the game to manage the club but like virtually all owners his appointments frequently don’t work out. 

In his tenure he must have seen at least four managers come and go and realised that they’re not always quite as they appear at interview and so this time he employs a manager who a) knows the football club. b) is trustworthy and can be relied upon to work with his strategy.

SLs skills are his business acumen and he wants the club to run along business lines (about time to) and employs a CEO to oversee the running of the club but no major decisions are made without his approval. 

 

[KeepUpLino]

6 hours ago, JBFC II said:

Why don't we look at the managers who weren't jobs for the boys then? 

O'driscoll, coppell, mcinnes, cotterill. 

All of them have a worse record at championship level than LJ... 

Are you sure about that :s

[Chappers]

4 hours ago, ScottishRed said:

But we are not in transition - this is the model, lauded by many on here, sell your 'best' players when you get an acceptable offer.

Under this plan we will be in a permenant state of transition.

The players you mention above won't be here in 2 years if they continue to develop, they will be sold to the highest bidder - that is the model, as will the next batch that come along if they enhance their value.

Whilst the plan makes perfect sense financially and is actually a positive in attracting young, relatively cheap players, as it simply makes us a stepping stone for those players. It does nothing to give us a realistic chance of promotion - zero.

I think our HC does sometimes get frustrated by that but in all honesty that is probably tempered by his realization that he is not going to get another job at this level anytime soon - there is no way his toys are leaving the pram.

Its the same for MA - big salary, big profile now with the FL gig and NO PRESSURE! 

The plan is utterly flawed and anyone who does not see that does not understand this game.

#toocosy

 

 

What’s the alternative? We can’t compete financially with the larger clubs, and spending on experience has not fared well in the past. This model should keep us competitive, and sustainably. I just can’t get as worked up as many, we are financially stable, decent chairman, great facilities, playing at a good level, and a crop of bright youngsters coming through the ranks. 

[JBFC II]

43 minutes ago, KeepUpLino said:

Are you sure about that :s

Yep, they all do

[KeepUpLino]

7 hours ago, JBFC II said:

Yep, they all do

Wrong!! Steve coppell broke several championship records in 2005/06 season getting Reading promoted to the Premier league as champions...

 

[cheese]

8 hours ago, KeepUpLino said:

Best post ever on OTIB 

You don't read much then?

[KeepUpLino]

2 minutes ago, cheese said:

You don't read much then?

I thought it was a great post, perfect describes SL time at the club... Must do better!!!

[Guest]

8 hours ago, Robbored said:

SL freely admits that he’s not a football expert and that’s why he employs people with the knowledge of the game to manage the club but like virtually all owners his appointments frequently don’t work out. 

In his tenure he must have seen at least four managers come and go and realised that they’re not always quite as they appear at interview and so this time he employs a manager who a) knows the football club. b) is trustworthy and can be relied upon to work with his strategy.

SLs skills are his business acumen and he wants the club to run along business lines (about time to) and employs a CEO to oversee the running of the club but no major decisions are made without his approval. 

 

And he ballsed that appointment up too 

[KeepUpLino]

15 minutes ago, Bri Stool City said:

Absolutely, other posts and attempts to high jack the thread shows just how this clubs fans are split; big changes required before we get anywhere Weds result has delayed that happening but hopefully it will happen one day......soon.

Exactly mate...  There’s always gonna be a few fans with zero ambition... If their home life’s are as exciting as there aspirations for our football I feel sorry for their partners 

[cheese]

27 minutes ago, KeepUpLino said:

I thought it was a great post, perfect describes SL time at the club... Must do better!!!

It's very selective and flawed in its assumptions.  But I can see why some might like it. 

[Robbored]

15 minutes ago, Bri Stool City said:

there are many clubs that have past us by and many will continue to do so. We are seemingly quite happy to be mediocre and show why we cannot keep any decent players.

You just don’t get what “stability and sustainability “ means do you..............

[KeepUpLino]

Just now, cheese said:

It's very selective and flawed in its assumptions.  But I can see why some might like it. 

It does miss out a lot of the positive stuff SL has done for the club but describes very accurately the underlying issues of not getting the right professionals in place to get this club moving forward on the pitch a problem we’re still seeing now with the FAILED LJ project 

[KeepUpLino]

Just now, Robbored said:

You just don’t get what “stability and sustainability “ means do you..............

There’s no Stability at this club, pretty much the same as it’s always been!! 

 This club could very easily be relegated this season!

[Son of Fred]

13 hours ago, ScottishRed said:

But we are not in transition - this is the model, lauded by many on here, sell your 'best' players when you get an acceptable offer.

Under this plan we will be in a permenant state of transition.

The players you mention above won't be here in 2 years if they continue to develop, they will be sold to the highest bidder - that is the model, as will the next batch that come along if they enhance their value.

Whilst the plan makes perfect sense financially and is actually a positive in attracting young, relatively cheap players, as it simply makes us a stepping stone for those players. It does nothing to give us a realistic chance of promotion - zero.

I think our HC does sometimes get frustrated by that but in all honesty that is probably tempered by his realization that he is not going to get another job at this level anytime soon - there is no way his toys are leaving the pram.

Its the same for MA - big salary, big profile now with the FL gig and NO PRESSURE! 

The plan is utterly flawed and anyone who does not see that does not understand this game.

#toocosy

 

 

Bang on-'being in that continual state of transition will eventually have only the one outcome,it's attritional by nature and it ain't an outcome of the upwards variety..

[Marina's Rolls Royce]

8 hours ago, Spike said:

To be fair the fans appreciate the business side he's brought to the club, it's the football side of things we get frustrated with and this post does a great job of highlighting why. 

I like SL, but I hate him choosing our managers and I'd much rather than side of Bristol City would be left to staff who know their football. 

 

8 hours ago, Robbored said:

SL freely admits that he’s not a football expert and that’s why he employs people with the knowledge of the game to manage the club but like virtually all owners his appointments frequently don’t work out. 

In his tenure he must have seen at least four managers come and go and realised that they’re not always quite as they appear at interview and so this time he employs a manager who a) knows the football club. b) is trustworthy and can be relied upon to work with his strategy.

SLs skills are his business acumen and he wants the club to run along business lines (about time to) and employs a CEO to oversee the running of the club but no major decisions are made without his approval. 

 

Back when Colin Sexstone was CEO and a new Manager was being chosen- SL wanted Mark Robins but Colin and other members of the board wanted McInnes and the rest is history.

Most Manager's are  allowed to choose their coaching staff and I'm not sure who else other than an owner should choose the Manager. I think that Millen was better than most gave him credit for particularly with the smallest of budgets whilst Lee Johnson hasn't yet proved himself unworthy of the position he holds.

Meanwhile...... criticism that an owner who has invested £100,000,000 into our club should employ his son, a passionate BCFC fan who has literally grown up around the club, and future successor to SL defies belief. 

Let's hope for all our sakes, the OP doesn't get the type of owner he deserves.

[RedM]

16 hours ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

Wow

Not what I was necessarily expecting from the title

A very well written , interesting & thought provoking thread - one of the best written and reads I’ve ever seen on here

Hmmmmmmnmm

Struggling to disagree in any way

Exactly my thoughts after reading too. @Boston Red, why have you only posted a handful of times?!

It’s the second time in a couple of days I have thought it was a harsh read to see it down in black and white but you can’t argue with any of it. If people only read one post today this should be it.

I actually feel a bit sick inside now. 

[BigAl&Toby]

21 minutes ago, Robbored said:

You just don’t get what “stability and sustainability “ means do you..............

How are we stable and sustainable?

Because if decisions made in the past and now we make a loss. We then need Lansdown to chip in - and seemingly be grateful - or sell players to balance the books and avert FFP issues.

Meanwhile the cycle that causes this reliance on one man and his model continues.

I’m missing something in all of this. 

[BigAl&Toby]

16 minutes ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said:

 

Back when Colin Sexstone was CEO and a new Manager was being chosen- SL wanted Mark Robins but Colin and other members of the board wanted McInnes and the rest is history.

Most Manager's are  allowed to choose their coaching staff and I'm not sure who else other than an owner should choose the Manager. I think that Millen was better than most gave him credit for particularly with the smallest of budgets whilst Lee Johnson hasn't yet proved himself unworthy of the position he holds.

Meanwhile...... criticism that an owner who has invested £100,000,000 into our club should employ his son, a passionate BCFC fan who has literally grown up around the club, and future successor to SL defies belief. 

Let's hope for all our sakes, the OP doesn't get the type of owner he deserves.

Are you for real? Because Lansdown has invested in our club he gets the right to employ his son based on him being a passionate fan?

******* hell.

You make me smile 

[BobBobSuperBob]

3 minutes ago, RedM said:

Exactly my thoughts after reading too. @Boston Red, why have you only posted a handful of times?!

It’s the second time in a couple of days I have thought it was a harsh read to see it down in black and white but you can’t argue with any of it. If people only read one post today this should be it.

I actually feel a bit sick inside now. 

And this type of post / thread , whether you agree or not is interesting and thought provoking

Along with posts like Match thoughts from @Olé, and @Davefevs tactical analysis these type f posts are good to read, digest and discuss

 

[Robbored]

24 minutes ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said:

 

Back when Colin Sexstone was CEO and a new Manager was being chosen- SL wanted Mark Robins but Colin and other members of the board wanted McInnes and the rest is history.

Most Manager's are  allowed to choose their coaching staff and I'm not sure who else other than an owner should choose the Manager. I think that Millen was better than most gave him credit for particularly with the smallest of budgets whilst Lee Johnson hasn't yet proved himself unworthy of the position he holds.

Meanwhile...... criticism that an owner who has invested £100,000,000 into our club should employ his son, a passionate BCFC fan who has literally grown up around the club, and future successor to SL defies belief. 

Let's hope for all our sakes, the OP doesn't get the type of owner he deserves.

I’m not sure about your first sentence! 

The rest I agree with 100%

[JBFC II]

1 hour ago, KeepUpLino said:

Wrong!! Steve coppell broke several championship records in 2005/06 season getting Reading promoted to the Premier league as champions...

 

Didn't realise we were called reading! 

The only record he broke for us was shortest stay in the job! 

[RedM]

6 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

And this type of post / thread , whether you agree or not is interesting and thought provoking

Along with posts like Match thoughts from @Olé, and @Davefevs tactical analysis these type f posts are good to read, digest and discuss

 

Going off on a bit of a tangent now but I agree. At least this forum is used well and we have lots of contributors with varying views and opinions. Never a dull moment on here for sure. 

[Alessandro]

1 hour ago, KeepUpLino said:

I thought it was a great post, perfect describes SL time at the club... Must do better!!!

Despite ignoring more names in the same period that aren’t jobs for the boys?

Derek McInnes

Tony Docherty

Sean O’D

Steve Coppell

Gary Johnson

Steve Cotterill

Mark Ashton

There are 7 off the top of my head.

I’m not arguing SL is good a picking managers, the track record isn’t great- but to say the OP is selective and elaborate in their use of events and the reaction of some to it is a massive case of selective memory, is an understatement.

Yes Steve must do better!