BS4 on Tour... Posted January 19, 2019 Report Share Posted January 19, 2019 2 hours ago, RedDave said: Still only three losses away from fans calling for his head Like 90% of the other managers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted January 19, 2019 Report Share Posted January 19, 2019 Every Saturday night we get one of these threads.....with differing angles depending on the result....it’s tiresome but I respect everyone’s freedom to voice their opinion...so just thought I’d throw mine in here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whale Eye Beef Hooked Posted January 19, 2019 Report Share Posted January 19, 2019 A sign of a good manager /coach is having to sell your best players buying cheap replacements that you can coach into better players and doing the same again whilst trying to punch above your weight in one of the toughest leagues in Europe competing against parachute payments. A friend of mine is in the professional game and he is from the dark side of the city so he hates us but even his view is that we have a gem of a coach / manager that any club outside of the top 25 -30 clubs in the country would like to see at their club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joenaldo Posted January 19, 2019 Report Share Posted January 19, 2019 Doing a good job - because of the same names getting the jobs cant see him going anywhere Nobody gunna take a chance in the prem and in the champ too many managers with promotion on the CV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted January 19, 2019 Report Share Posted January 19, 2019 Give him a 12 month extension and re-evaluate every January with 18 months left? No real comfort zone of having 3/4 seasons left and no concern that its the last 12 months of a contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keynshamred Posted January 20, 2019 Report Share Posted January 20, 2019 Ten year contract for me. Blokes a city legend!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garland-sweden Posted January 20, 2019 Report Share Posted January 20, 2019 18, 17 and 11 place in the table since we join championship this time. We will see what place in the table we are when the season is over. This business is about results, not playing boring or attractive, defensive or offensive. The Club and LJ have progressed and thats its what about. LJ out or LJ in is guite funny. As long as he can make the team better he should stay. Look at Villa, Ipswich and many other clubs, its not a quick fix. Think City have learned from the past that it needs a good ground when you build a house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Lerring Posted January 20, 2019 Report Share Posted January 20, 2019 Jesus wept, think the op has jumped the gun a bit on this. This forum used to be ridiculous after a loss, now it's happening after a win too Bizarre how in the stands most fans manage to keep their heads (& opinions) in check after both wins and losses, but online is a whole different story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redmycolour Posted January 20, 2019 Report Share Posted January 20, 2019 8 hours ago, keynshamred said: Ten year contract for me. Blokes a city legend!! " Oh God" NO, a legend is someone what does wonders for the club, he hasn't YET, and I mean YET Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted January 20, 2019 Report Share Posted January 20, 2019 8 hours ago, keynshamred said: Ten year contract for me. Blokes a city legend!! I know you're joking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinmans Love Child Posted January 20, 2019 Report Share Posted January 20, 2019 20 hours ago, iamsober said: Massively over achieving. Sir Lee When does overachieving become just achieving? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted January 20, 2019 Report Share Posted January 20, 2019 20 hours ago, BarnzFM said: Hold fire!!! He’s has form for going on great and terrible runs, let’s wait and see how the team responds after we lose a couple This season does seem to have a different feel about it. A reasonable start, especially with the reorganisation needed after losing Flint, Reid and Bryan, was followed by the 4 defeats on the trot in November. At that time many thought it would herald the latest of LJ's sublime to ridiculous form swings. However, this time around the losing run was not only curtailed quickly, but was followed by the current unbeaten run and although we were not always convincing during the early part of the unbeaten run, we seem to be getting stronger and better as the run progresses. We will no doubt suffer setbacks over the remaining games, but the way the team is playing, and with us now having strength in depth within the squad, I think it more unlikely that we will see a massive slump in form as would have been the case in previous seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamsober Posted January 20, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2019 55 minutes ago, Tinmans Love Child said: When does overachieving become just achieving? When we are 14th and underachieving when we are below 14th. Anymore questions welcome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redmycolour Posted January 20, 2019 Report Share Posted January 20, 2019 On 19/01/2019 at 17:04, iamsober said: Get him tied down to a longer deal ASAP. He is going to be snapped up by a bigger club than us if we’re not careful. Very lucky to have him so give him what he deserves. Here we go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poland_exile Posted January 20, 2019 Report Share Posted January 20, 2019 On 19/01/2019 at 18:06, ExiledAjax said: Your user name is misleading. ffs, I am roaring with laughter frightened the dog! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted January 20, 2019 Report Share Posted January 20, 2019 On 19/01/2019 at 17:12, RedDave said: I talk facts. If we lose three in a row then some will be calling for his head I'm not going to hide, I hated his football recently, it was dire but I will honestly say I have seen an improvement in performance and an improvement on the tactical end of things. If we lose three games in a row I'd be disappointed but at this point Johnson has earned the rest of this season no matter how bad a run we go into. My biggest issue with LJ is consistency both bad and good, we seem to go between an amazing run of form to an awful run of form. Still, I hold up my hand and will say I wanted him gone when we were playing poorly, we looked to have no direction, no tactical style etc but he's proven that he can turn that around and change that and for that reason I think he's earned his right to show us where he can take this. I still don't think we'll gain promotion under LJ, I think we're far more likely to lose more quality players in the summer and then need yet another change and rebuild which will further frustrate but that's football when you're not a big money club. Right now LJ is the best manager we could hope for, I'll say that. I just hope for our sake that we can hold down enough players to give LJ less rebuilding to do and push on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveInSA Posted January 20, 2019 Report Share Posted January 20, 2019 I was thinking, sort of for a laugh, starting a "Jonhson Out" thread yesterday night, just to see what would happen. I've wanted him out, I thought the 5-0 Preston would have seen him on his ear, but he survived and I think he is learning. We (apparently) lost two of our best defenders in the summer And yet, we are now better in defence? The head coach has improved us defensively. Apparently, we're not playing well. And yet, we're winning games 1-0. Our home form isn't as good as our away form. We're 7th. My view is we're punching well above our weight. We're winning games. We're solid at the back. We could do with scoring more goals. Is Johnson doing a good job? You have to say yes. Looking at our squad and the resources we have, he is. Of course, we could loose 4 in a row again and then it's a different story. So, I'll withhold judgement until the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 20, 2019 Report Share Posted January 20, 2019 @Spike pretty sensible post. @DaveInSA I don’t think it’s that we aren’t playing well, it’s just we aren’t as expansive, nor flowing. When was the last time we looked “strung out” away from home - my biggest criticism of poor away performances last season and even some this season too - not at all in this run. I do think our football is improving slightly week on week. Yesterday’s goal was an example of a goal we wouldn’t be scoring 6-8 games ago. Even if we lose 4 on the spin, he’s earned a reprieve from bedsheet hysteria. A longer bad run, still wouldn’t be LJ Out, but would question can he ever deliver a consistent League season. Personally, thus pragmatic football is fine by me. It’s not just “all about results” for me. I’ve always thought LJ was a principled head-coach tactically, but becomes a magpie....ooooh new shiny idea.....and his team changes too revolutionary rather than fine tuning. I am seeing for the first time him sticking to his plan, making small adjustments to starting line-ups, logical selection choices, but the same 4141/4411. I’m never gonna pick the same eleven as him every week, and even yesterday if it had been me I would’ve picked Max over Frank. I didn’t criticise him pre-game, you learn to just wait and see how things pan out....Wilbraham away at Newcastle anyone!!! He is in control in his interviews, avoiding stupid comments that bite him. Its a good time to be a City fan. No-one on here is more right or wrong than anyone else. People are allowed to let their observations change their mind, back and forth too. It’s the ones that steadfastly stick to their views that confuse me, but hey-ho, each to their own. Roll-on Friday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted January 20, 2019 Report Share Posted January 20, 2019 6 hours ago, iamsober said: When we are 14th and underachieving when we are below 14th. Anymore questions welcome What has made you come to the conclusion that 14th is ‘achieving’ ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatknacker Posted January 20, 2019 Report Share Posted January 20, 2019 43 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said: What has made you come to the conclusion that 14th is ‘achieving’ ? Championship survival is achieving, if we make the play offs we've over achieved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted January 20, 2019 Report Share Posted January 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Fatknacker said: Championship survival is achieving, if we make the play offs we've over achieved. I agree...I was just wondering why the OP was so specific about 14th being ‘achieving’ - especially after we finished 11th last season.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamsober Posted January 20, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2019 11 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said: I agree...I was just wondering why the OP was so specific about 14th being ‘achieving’ - especially after we finished 11th last season.... Our position in the league with regards to squad value/budget Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xerox6060 Posted January 20, 2019 Report Share Posted January 20, 2019 On 19/01/2019 at 17:20, AppyDAZE said: As well as he has done recently, still not sure we are in any real danger of losing him. This job is his dream job and it would take a MUCH BIGGER club to come in for him imo That ain't happening believe me He's going nowhere, and talk of new extended contracts is plain daft and unwise right now. You can jinx things easily Totally agree dream job for LJ, I think ours is one of the best jobs out there, in view of the potential and owner etc. He's had me pulling my hair out at times but I think he's doing well considering what we lost in the summer But it's also true I think he'll forever be three or four games from criticism whatsoever he does. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsquirrel Posted January 20, 2019 Report Share Posted January 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Davefevs said: @Spike pretty sensible post. @DaveInSA I don’t think it’s that we aren’t playing well, it’s just we aren’t as expansive, nor flowing. When was the last time we looked “strung out” away from home - my biggest criticism of poor away performances last season and even some this season too - not at all in this run. I do think our football is improving slightly week on week. Yesterday’s goal was an example of a goal we wouldn’t be scoring 6-8 games ago. Even if we lose 4 on the spin, he’s earned a reprieve from bedsheet hysteria. A longer bad run, still wouldn’t be LJ Out, but would question can he ever deliver a consistent League season. Personally, thus pragmatic football is fine by me. It’s not just “all about results” for me. I’ve always thought LJ was a principled head-coach tactically, but becomes a magpie....ooooh new shiny idea.....and his team changes too revolutionary rather than fine tuning. I am seeing for the first time him sticking to his plan, making small adjustments to starting line-ups, logical selection choices, but the same 4141/4411. I’m never gonna pick the same eleven as him every week, and even yesterday if it had been me I would’ve picked Max over Frank. I didn’t criticise him pre-game, you learn to just wait and see how things pan out....Wilbraham away at Newcastle anyone!!! He is in control in his interviews, avoiding stupid comments that bite him. Its a good time to be a City fan. No-one on here is more right or wrong than anyone else. People are allowed to let their observations change their mind, back and forth too. It’s the ones that steadfastly stick to their views that confuse me, but hey-ho, each to their own. Roll-on Friday. spot on for me Dave. its the fine tuning that's won me over this time. even gary owers said hed found a plan that suits his best 11 and is sticking to it.( hes not the messiah but does talk a lot of sense on the radio) previously there was too much sudden 'that didn't work,lets try this'. its been said countless times on here before that we need to let teams worry about us more rather than trying to set up to match them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 20, 2019 Report Share Posted January 20, 2019 10 minutes ago, redsquirrel said: spot on for me Dave. its the fine tuning that's won me over this time. even gary owers said hed found a plan that suits his best 11 and is sticking to it.( hes not the messiah but does talk a lot of sense on the radio) previously there was too much sudden 'that didn't work,lets try this'. its been said countless times on here before that we need to let teams worry about us more rather than trying to set up to match them. Funny enough, I just listened to the first 20 minutes of Twentyman’s Talk Back from yesterday. Was interested what Ian might have to say, but picked up on Owers comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro Posted January 20, 2019 Report Share Posted January 20, 2019 One thing I’ve said for years now is that not only have we, BCFC, started investing in youth and developing players, it is the same for the manager. He is developing, finding his way, one of the reasons I’ve personally been more patient and tolerant of his mistakes than some in the past. For me what we are seeing is the development of LJ - learning from mistakes, honing his style, developing his techniques and man management skills. Whether they will be good enough to do the unthinkable and get us out of this division on our current budget - still to be seen. I’m sure there will be more mistakes too. The football might be less interesting than a three month period last season, but as I debated at length with one poster a month or so ago, it’s more pragmatic and it is getting results. I think we’re all slowly acknowledging as fans it is a better way forward for us right now. Of course it is easier to stomach when results are as they’ve been - but even when people thought we were papering over cracks because we weren’t scoring many, we were becoming a much more organised and harder to beat team. Whether or not we keep this run going, i’m not so sure, but was mighty impressed with squad depth on show and the togetherness of the squad LJ has fostered. A manager some said wasn’t a leader of men. The problem with the top 6 and those of you fancing that us to get in it, I don’t see who is going to drop out there right now though! Until then - I’m enjoying the.....progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 21, 2019 Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 3 hours ago, Davefevs said: @Spike pretty sensible post. @DaveInSA I don’t think it’s that we aren’t playing well, it’s just we aren’t as expansive, nor flowing. When was the last time we looked “strung out” away from home - my biggest criticism of poor away performances last season and even some this season too - not at all in this run. I do think our football is improving slightly week on week. Yesterday’s goal was an example of a goal we wouldn’t be scoring 6-8 games ago. Even if we lose 4 on the spin, he’s earned a reprieve from bedsheet hysteria. A longer bad run, still wouldn’t be LJ Out, but would question can he ever deliver a consistent League season. Personally, thus pragmatic football is fine by me. It’s not just “all about results” for me. I’ve always thought LJ was a principled head-coach tactically, but becomes a magpie....ooooh new shiny idea.....and his team changes too revolutionary rather than fine tuning. I am seeing for the first time him sticking to his plan, making small adjustments to starting line-ups, logical selection choices, but the same 4141/4411. I’m never gonna pick the same eleven as him every week, and even yesterday if it had been me I would’ve picked Max over Frank. I didn’t criticise him pre-game, you learn to just wait and see how things pan out....Wilbraham away at Newcastle anyone!!! He is in control in his interviews, avoiding stupid comments that bite him. Its a good time to be a City fan. No-one on here is more right or wrong than anyone else. People are allowed to let their observations change their mind, back and forth too. It’s the ones that steadfastly stick to their views that confuse me, but hey-ho, each to their own. Roll-on Friday. Do agree- especially the bolded bit. Football not that bad and as you say improving. I'll be in a minority here, but saw signs- small steps admittedly- but looking back definite small signs v Millwall. Mediocre performance overall yes, but dominating the ball helps with confidence and unlike v Preston, we did have near misses- not clear cut chances and the 1 shot on target and own goal what we all remember but we also hit the woodwork, fairly sure in the first half too we hit the side netting and had 1 if not 2 other chances that flashed wide but not by much. It was a lot better than Ipswich away, in some respects for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 21, 2019 Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 52 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Do agree- especially the bolded bit. Football not that bad and as you say improving. I'll be in a minority here, but saw signs- small steps admittedly- but looking back definite small signs v Millwall. Mediocre performance overall yes, but dominating the ball helps with confidence and unlike v Preston, we did have near misses- not clear cut chances and the 1 shot on target and own goal what we all remember but we also hit the woodwork, fairly sure in the first half too we hit the side netting and had 1 if not 2 other chances that flashed wide but not by much. It was a lot better than Ipswich away, in some respects for example. My comments post Millwall: The post-match interviews are frustrating to listen to. He does treat us fools, certainly inferiors (which of course we are) and that bugs me. As @AppyDAZE says, the subs excuse was lame. I thought we were the better side today, played with control in the first half for the first time in a long time. We built pressure and we unlucky when Diedhiou hit the bar. We continued this and got a deserved opener, if somewhat fortuitous, although Diedhiou was stooping to head home had Cooper not put it in with a Larry Grayson-esque flick. So what changed at 1-0? We went all pretty...but without purpose. Little give and goes in the centre if the pitch whilst your front-runners are making all kinds of runs ahead of you. We suddenly went 4141 from 4231/4411, Pack sat deeper for some reason, making it difficult for us to get out from driven diagonals from Millwall. But we did change and got our control back, especially down the left. Surely we’d weathered the gentle storm. Would need to check the goal again. Kelly getting flak for being caught with Morison, but also another Millwall player (Tunnicliffe?) outside him. I really think he feared Morison flicking it on but as it was, Morison headed into the path of Williams who finished well on the volley. Who was tracking Williams? Why wasn’t Webster on Morison, allowing Kelly some Protection? Probably a game we should’ve won 1-0, but we didn’t. Not gonna sit here and blame it on LJ tonight...although thought Watkins would come on for Weimann and O’Dowda would come on centrally for Paterson, but it meant changing positions again. Diedhiou was tired though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jj77 Posted January 21, 2019 Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 Hang on a minute let's not be too hasty. Another losing streak is just around the corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted January 21, 2019 Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, jj77 said: Hang on a minute let's not be too hasty. Another losing streak is just around the corner. Saw that in your crystal ball did you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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