fao Julie H

[BessexRED]

31 minutes ago, EmissionImpossible said:

You don’t like the police do you.....

Can you really blame him when they put on shitshows like Saturday time and time again? Their treatment of football fans on the whole still to this day is absolutely disgusting.

[Guest]

These incidents open up a whole can of worms of issues that go beyond Saturdays problems.

If only we had a fans liaison group that contained people with real experience of such situations who could advise the club and police on how to deal with the problems BEFORE they arise.

I would be willing to bet that the next Swansea game will be a bubble, no question.

Perhaps we could start a new thread with questions for the police and club to give their response.

I’ll start

Did anyone ask British Rail (or whatever they are called now) how many rail tickets had been sold between Swansea and Bristol, and was that an abnormal amount?

[KevP]

3 minutes ago, BessexRED said:

Can you really blame him when they put on shitshows like Saturday time and time again? Their treatment of football fans on the whole still to this day is absolutely disgusting.

Nail on head there mate 

[Mr Popodopolous]

3 hours ago, Countryfile said:

Completely agree with this.

Its as if the club dont have anyone who is responsible for thinking about how to handle problems should they arise.

With the completion of the ground redevelopment the segregation of home and away fans, with away fans in a stand alone area,  must be amongst the easiest to control in the entire football league, yet we are unable to do so.

There are only two possible flash points, at either corner of the Atyeo, both areas can easily be made secure with a minimum amount of effort on the clubs part, they simply don’t appear to have the right people in place to make those decisions.

Barriers / stewards / Police  in place  PRIOR to fans coming into the stadium = fewer if any problems.

Right sort of stewards to support police too- experienced ones perhaps more used to football 15-20 years ago who can anticipate possible flashpoints in modern times, who can read the signs.

Young or inexperienced stewards? Wouldn't cut it, albeit fine for a lot of games.

[EmissionImpossible]

11 minutes ago, BessexRED said:

Can you really blame him when they put on shitshows like Saturday time and time again? Their treatment of football fans on the whole still to this day is absolutely disgusting.

The actions of some football fans are disgusting too but are you going to hate all football fans?

Mistakes are always made but rarely intentionally apart from a select few who just aren’t up to the job but deflecting attention away from the idiots causing the trouble to the police who aren’t necessarily helping, is ridiculous.

 

 

[Natchfever]

27 minutes ago, Countryfile said:

These incidents open up a whole can of worms of issues that go beyond Saturdays problems.

If only we had a fans liaison group that contained people with real experience of such situations who could advise the club and police on how to deal with the problems BEFORE they arise.

I would be willing to bet that the next Swansea game will be a bubble, no question.

Perhaps we could start a new thread with questions for the police and club to give their response.

I’ll start

Did anyone ask British Rail (or whatever they are called now) how many rail tickets had been sold between Swansea and Bristol, and was that an abnormal amount?

Fact is OB for some reason expected Swansea to all turn up on a train together singing hymns, and walk out of Temple Meads whereas plenty were in the BS3 postcode at 9.30 having  used Bedminster and Parson Street stations, plus of course motor vehicles.

Police intelligence with a very small i followed up by non answers or downright lies.

 

[JulieH]

31 minutes ago, Countryfile said:

These incidents open up a whole can of worms of issues that go beyond Saturdays problems.

If only we had a fans liaison group that contained people with real experience of such situations who could advise the club and police on how to deal with the problems BEFORE they arise.

I would be willing to bet that the next Swansea game will be a bubble, no question.

Perhaps we could start a new thread with questions for the police and club to give their response.

I’ll start

Did anyone ask British Rail (or whatever they are called now) how many rail tickets had been sold between Swansea and Bristol, and was that an abnormal amount?

Yes we did liaise with British rail and knew about the increase in ticket sales for the trains, hence why a special was arranged back 

there is a fans group that I liaise with every month, the first weds at 1930 in the supporters bar, I go to every meeting as do club officials, the next one is tomorrow.

with regards to next seasons fixturs there can be no decision made now , we don’t even know which league either team will be in so I cannot comment on that until fixtures are released , liaison done with club and supporter groups . 

[JulieH]

4 minutes ago, Loon plage said:

Fact is OB for some reason expected Swansea to all turn up on a train together singing hymns, and walk out of Temple Meads whereas plenty were in the BS3 postcode at 9.30 having  used Bedminster and Parson Street stations, plus of course motor vehicles.

Police intelligence with a very small i followed up by non answers or downright lies.

 

 

We removed Swansea fans from several pubs in bedminster early to prevent disorder occurring. 

[Natchfever]

6 minutes ago, JulieH said:

 

We removed Swansea fans from several pubs in bedminster early to prevent disorder occurring. 

How did they get so far as to be in Bedminster pubs where disorder would be likely ?Plenty of away fans drink in Bedminster pubs without a problem. Presumably we are talking about sufficient numbers, and of a type of "fan" who would be likely to generate disorder so the obvious question is how did they manage to bowl around the postcode undetected.

 I know for a fact a licensee had to ask a number to leave his pub with no police anywhere in sight.

[East End Old Boy]

14 minutes ago, JulieH said:

with regards to next seasons fixturs there can be no decision made now , we don’t even know which league either team will be in

Inside information from @JulieH I think she may have let something slip here folks!

“we are going up, we are going up!” 

[JulieH]

5 minutes ago, Loon plage said:

How did they get so far as to be in Bedminster pubs where disorder would be likely ?Plenty of away fans drink in Bedminster pubs without a problem. Presumably we are talking about sufficient numbers, and of a type of "fan" who would be likely to generate disorder so the obvious question is how did they manage to bowl around the postcode undetected.

 I know for a fact a licensee had to ask a number to leave his pub with no police anywhere in sight.

I didn’t say they were allowed to bowl around. Groups of Swansea fans were removed from 3 pubs in bedminster area by the police to prevent disorder  most didn’t even have time to drink their pint before we removed them. 

I am glad the licensee was able to remove them without police involvement , he clearly dealt with them well

it is also true that a number of Swansea fans drank in Ashton and bedminster without issues and in fact enjoyed a great atmosphere with other city fans .  

[lenred]

Still think that whilst it was of course unsavoury on Saturday that this discussion and the media reporting is now not in proportion to what’s actually happened. This kind of atmosphere used to be ten a penny at AG and at other grounds and bar the actual ‘violence’ and pitch invasions which could have got the club in trouble admittedly, I enjoyed the tension that was there on Saturday  -  it made it a much, much better experience all in all than we usually get at AG mostly.

We’ve had plenty of people on here before bemoaning the fact that there is no friction or atmosphere with away fans any more due to the set up of the ground now but when there is finally some there is a complete outcry. I get people with kids/older fans may have been worried and if I had my little one with me then of course I would’ve made sure they were well out of the way, but unless I’m missing something obvious from the reports the vast majority of ‘violence’ was complete handbags? Some chasing, posturing and a few windmills thrown? 

I’ve seen far worse supporting City home and away (and I missed the 70s and most of the 80s - the so called bad old days apparently!) 

It’s a fine line granted and we don’t want to see the pitch invasions, and yes it could have been much much better policed it seems. But if all this leads to bubbles, reduced fan allocations at AG (and for us at away grounds) and even more segregation in an already massively segregated stadium it will just make the atmosphere worse than it already is the vast majority of the time.  And that, imho, would be a massive shame. I appreciate that safety is of the utmost importance these days I really do, but let’s not sanitise it even more than it already is down the Gate because of a few coked up knob heads and the lack of police ‘clarity of thought’! 

[Mr Popodopolous]

7 minutes ago, lenred said:

Still think that whilst it was of course unsavoury on Saturday that this discussion and the media reporting is now not in proportion to what’s actually happened. This kind of atmosphere used to be ten a penny at AG and at other grounds and bar the actual ‘violence’ and pitch invasions which could have got the club in trouble admittedly, I enjoyed the tension that was there on Saturday  -  it made it a much, much better experience all in all than we usually get at AG mostly.

We’ve had plenty of people on here before bemoaning the fact that there is no friction or atmosphere with away fans any more due to the set up of the ground now but when there is finally some there is a complete outcry. I get people with kids/older fans may have been worried and if I had my little one with me then of course I would’ve made sure they were well out of the way, but unless I’m missing something obvious from the reports the vast majority of ‘violence’ was complete handbags? Some chasing, posturing and a few windmills thrown? 

I’ve seen far worse supporting City home and away (and I missed the 70s and most of the 80s - the so called bad old days apparently!) 

It’s a fine line granted and we don’t want to see the pitch invasions, and yes it could have been much much better policed it seems. But if all this leads to bubbles, reduced fan allocations at AG (and for us at away grounds) and even more segregation in an already massively segregated stadium it will just make the atmosphere worse than it already is the vast majority of the time.  And that, imho, would be a massive shame. I appreciate that safety is of the utmost importance these days I really do, but let’s not sanitise it even more than it already is down the Gate because of a few coked up knob heads and the lack of police ‘clarity of thought’! 

I agree on a fair bit of this.

The problem is that the way the game has developed means that any sort of aggro in the ground- and yes it would have added something to the atmosphere for sure- but any sort of aggro or flashpoints in the ground can attract a lot of jumpiness from authorities etc. On the pitch especially which shouldn't have happened.

It does nothing to help the cause of fans who want safe standing introduced for example or alcohol allowed in view of the pitch again- or even an expanded Singing Section (the latter may not be feasible in the current ground with the current regs). I would welcome both but any bother in the ground just weakens the case a bit unfortunately and slows progress down.

[phantom]

14 hours ago, slartibartfast said:

If you saw HTV West news tonight you'd have seen why. Some brass hat being interviewed said that they had no intelligence (he should have stopped right there ) of any impending trouble. He could have asked me (and I know **** all about  it, not ITK ) !

Problem with this, many people will take this as being FACT, but how he claimed that there was no intelligence is laughable, it was all over social media etc for days

[PHILINFRANCE]

59 minutes ago, phantom said:

Problem with this, many people will take this as being FACT, but how he claimed that there was no intelligence is laughable, it was all over social media etc for days

Apropos potential 'trouble' being 'all over social media' prior to the match, what happened to @Swansea, who had been predicting, almost gloating about Swansea fans in the home ends?

Was he finally banned?

[KevP]

2 minutes ago, PHILINFRANCE said:

Apropos potential 'trouble' being 'all over social media' prior to the match, what happened to @Swansea, who had been predicting, almost gloating about Swansea fans in the home ends?

Was he finally banned?

Nah he was just a knob who disappeared up his own arse.

[PHILINFRANCE]

7 minutes ago, KevP said:

Nah he was just a knob who disappeared up his own arse.

I noticed he had gone quiet, and just assumed he had been banned as his posts seemed to become more and more provocative as the match drew near.

[RedLionLad]

Is it correct that fans were escorted from Temple Meads to Ashton Gate and taken for a drink at V Shed along the way?

[Natchfever]

3 minutes ago, RedLionLad said:

Is it correct that fans were escorted from Temple Meads to Ashton Gate and taken for a drink at V Shed along the way?

A lot stayed in Knight Templar.

[42nite]

3 hours ago, JulieH said:

I saw them going though the turnstiles on cctv 

That's fair enough @JulieH, but as queried elsewhere on this thread, did every one of the estimated 800 Swansea fans have to insert their tickets into the turnstiles to gain entry, or were they turned off, or maybe some exit doors were opened as well?

'Going through the turnstiles' doesn't confirm that they all used tickets to get in.

 

[phantom]

14 minutes ago, RedLionLad said:

Is it correct that fans were escorted from Temple Meads to Ashton Gate and taken for a drink at V Shed along the way?

No ,that was two different groups of supporters, the escorts were brought together so they eventually came in one larger group

[TV Tom]

3 minutes ago, 42nite said:

That's fair enough @JulieH, but as queried elsewhere on this thread, did every one of the estimated 800 Swansea fans have to insert their tickets into the turnstiles to gain entry, or were they turned off, or maybe some exit doors were opened as well?

'Going through the turnstiles' doesn't confirm that they all used tickets to get in.

 

What would be the point of getting up to 800 go through turnstiles that are turned off? It would be a lot quicker to just let them through the gates

[Natchfever]

8 minutes ago, 42nite said:

That's fair enough @JulieH, but as queried elsewhere on this thread, did every one of the estimated 800 Swansea fans have to insert their tickets into the turnstiles to gain entry, or were they turned off, or maybe some exit doors were opened as well?

'Going through the turnstiles' doesn't confirm that they all used tickets to get in.

 

Could have been carrying anything too.

[RedM]

Last season at Cardiff away, think the KO was 12.30 on a Sunday morning if I remember right. After the match I went back into Cardiff City centre  with another female, so two females together, no colours etc a couple of hours after the match had finished with no trouble and we were refused entry at several pubs. If you didn’t have ID with a Welsh address you weren’t allowed in. All pubs were being staffed by security. They would of had no idea from our appearance that we had been to the match, we could have just been out shopping but they weren’t having any of it. Eventually we found a nice little pub near the castle and had a drink no bother.

Cardiff’s treatment of fans after the match seemed well OTT, Bristol’s treatment seemed too welcoming and invited trouble in my opinion

[Natchfever]

2 minutes ago, RedM said:

Last season at Cardiff away, think the KO was 12.30 on a Sunday morning if I remember right. After the match I went back into Cardiff City centre  with another female, so two females together, no colours etc a couple of hours after the match had finished with no trouble and we were refused entry at several pubs. If you didn’t have ID with a Welsh address you weren’t allowed in. All pubs were being staffed by security. They would of had no idea from our appearance that we had been to the match, we could have just been out shopping but they weren’t having any of it. Eventually we found a nice little pub near the castle and had a drink no bother.

Cardiff’s treatment of fans after the match seemed well OTT, Bristol’s treatment seemed too welcoming and invited trouble in my opinion

To be fair to the doormen, some of the clientele may have reacted negatively to your accent had you been allowed into the pub(s) At least in Cardiff city centre there are plenty of options closer to the castle.

[Mr Popodopolous]

Don't know if it made any difference to timings- maybe not substantively, but I don't know.

Could it just have been a case of 'Open turnstiles, show ticket to police or steward, through- don't bother with putting it through the formal way, dispense with search regime to avoid bottleneck and due to late arrivals.' Fast Tracking maybe?

[BCFC Jimmer]

3 hours ago, TETBURY MASSIVE said:

That doesn't prove that they all had tickets.......!

No surprise you are sticking up for your bestie.......

You're absolutely right, it doesn't prove anything and it doesn't seem plausible for that many people to get through the turnstiles that quickly.  I'm not sure why people on here seem to take the words of a police officer as gospel. Newsflash: Police officers will make something up or elaborate the truth to cover their own arse. You don't need to be Sherlock to work that out.

[42nite]

1 minute ago, harrys said:

What would be the point of getting up to 800 go through turnstiles that are turned off? It would be a lot quicker to just let them through the 

There may be a legal requirement for the stadium to know exactly how many people are in the ground in case of emergencies (Hillsborough, Bradford), and even though the turnstile ticket entry may have been turned off, the number of people passing through the turning gates could well have been registered.

However, this would have been negated if doors were opened as well.

Just looking for some clarification from Julie.

[richwwtk]

26 minutes ago, Loon plage said:

To be fair to the doormen, some of the clientele may have reacted negatively to your accent had you been allowed into the pub(s) At least in Cardiff city centre there are plenty of options closer to the castle.

What sort of person would react negatively to two women having a drink just because their accent isn't right? That would be insane and it would be a better idea to eject the person likely to react if they are that volatile.

[Natchfever]

6 minutes ago, richwwtk said:

What sort of person would react negatively to two women having a drink just because their accent isn't right? That would be insane and it would be a better idea to eject the person likely to react if they are that volatile.

A **** would react negatively obviously.

Said **** might be a regular with 20 mates however.

If you think its a better idea to attempt the removal of that person with the associated reaction rather than suggest the two one off visitors look elsewhere then with respect you do not have a clue.