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Callum O'Dowda (Merged)

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7 minutes ago, archie andrews said:

Are you Callums old man? 

Nope, but he does look a spitting image for one of my younger cousins, so he's kind of like family to me!

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8 minutes ago, Super said:

If he wants to go let him.

Does he really want to go, though?  What is this based on?  If it's the contract for example, provided he's being realistic, then the club should meet his requirement as best they can.  He'll be worth at least £5million with another good season under his belt.

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4 minutes ago, FOTC! said:

Nobody is bigger than the club. If he doesn't want us, we don't need him. Move on.

This is what I'm saying, where has the impression come from he doesn't want us?  We don't need to just move good players on, find out if there is an issue, and resolve it!

Surely, now we are a top half improving Championship team, we must still have appeal to C'OD?

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6 minutes ago, reddogkev said:

Does he really want to go, though?  What is this based on?  If it's the contract for example, provided he's being realistic, then the club should meet his requirement as best they can.  He'll be worth at least £5million with another good season under his belt.

I'm sure the club have offered him a god deal on a par with a lot of players. He was hardly busting a gut to play for us at the end of the season was he?

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17 minutes ago, reddogkev said:

One of the key City decisions this summer will be Callum O'Dowda and his footballing future.  I can't claim to know anything about his personal position, apart from the views on here, but we seem resigned to losing him.

I fear this would be a whopper of a mistake.

Callum will be a top-quality player at this level, and should be a constant in the team.  He was fantastic during many periods this season, and of course scored a wonder goal against Norwich.

City should go above and beyond to get him a longer deal, and then the coaches simply have to build his confidence / strength and keep him in the team.  He has the talent to score 8-10 goals and should easily reach double-figures for assists.

As you can probably tell, I like the lad!  Any similar / opposing thoughts?

With his transfer fee and 3 years wages we will be lucky to get our money back in my opinion. If we go !above and beyond" presumably that means paying him a shedload more money and it seems like LJ doesn't really rate him anyway.

He doesn't appear to want to stay so he can go asap.

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12 minutes ago, reddogkev said:

Does he really want to go, though?  What is this based on?  If it's the contract for example, provided he's being realistic, then the club should meet his requirement as best they can.  He'll be worth at least £5million with another good season under his belt.

Of course he wants out. 

I swear every time this situation happens, fans still think we're in with a chance of keeping them. Baldock, Bryan, Reid & now O'Dowda. 

The contract offer was on the table from early last season, he still hasn't signed. Get rid & reinvest the few million we make on him. 

If we get 3 million and that pays for even half of Kalas I'd take it. 

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1 minute ago, Carey 6 said:

Of course he wants out. 

I swear every time this situation happens, fans still think we're in with a chance of keeping them. Baldock, Bryan, Reid & now O'Dowda. 

The contract offer was on the table from early last season, he still hasn't signed. Get rid & reinvest the few million we make on him. 

If we get 3 million and that pays for even half of Kalas I'd take it. 

Agreed. I think we would need £3m to cover his total cost.

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28 minutes ago, Carey 6 said:

Of course he wants out. 

I swear every time this situation happens, fans still think we're in with a chance of keeping them. Baldock, Bryan, Reid & now O'Dowda. 

The contract offer was on the table from early last season, he still hasn't signed. Get rid & reinvest the few million we make on him. 

If we get 3 million and that pays for even half of Kalas I'd take it. 

I get what you're saying, but if the club wants to keep Callum, then of course we must have a chance of keeping him.

He was happy to sign for us in the first instance, the club has grown massively since then, he has had continual international recognition, and has developed his game.

Unless he has had a falling out with coaches / players, or has suddenly turned into a greedy b*stard, why wouldn't he want to stay with City?

Keep him, play him, watch him get even better.

 

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Seems the same is happening as at Oxford.

He's on his way and rightly so if he doesn't want to be here.

A few million for him will go a long way towards new player(s).

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If he wants to stay he'll sign a new contract.

If not, let him go.

We have elliasson who i was really impressed with this season.

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In an ideal world I'd like him to stay but he has a year on his contract and the club has to be sustainable. I'd be delighted if he signed a new deal but, if he does not, this summer is the time to cash in. We don't want another Maynard situation of losing a player for below market value because we've let them dither about what they want to do. 

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His trouble is he's only ever available for part of a season due to injuries and after an injury takes a few games to get back in the swing, he's then very good for a run of games before another injury strikes. We need more players who don't get injured (eg like Brownhill or Flint when he was here). He obviously thinks he's good enough for the Prem but he'd be no more than a bench-warmer there (if that). Provided we get a decent fee the money can be better invested elsewhere.

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Really like Callum and hope he stays. Think he would be a massive part of our ongoing push to the premier league. But....surely if he was going to sign then he would have by now? Would like to see him given a chance in a more central role, although I think we've missed that opportunity. Really like Elliasson, and hopefully Adelakun gets up to our level and has that breakthrough season next season as Nic did previously. 

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I like COD, and I'd like him to stay, but I'd rather the club put this out in the open.

Offer him a new contract, give him a week to sign it, and if he doesn't, declare him available for transfer. If there's interest, but the financials are wrong, meet up and hash it out.

My one criticism of this club, and it's one that's been a problem for years, is that we drag these things out far too long.

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1 hour ago, reddogkev said:

I get what you're saying, but if the club wants to keep Callum, then of course we must have a chance of keeping him.

He was happy to sign for us in the first instance, the club has grown massively since then, he has had continual international recognition, and has developed his game.

Unless he has had a falling out with coaches / players, or has suddenly turned into a greedy b*stard, why wouldn't he want to stay with City?

Keep him, play him, watch him get even better.

 

Maybe he simply wants more money or thinks he can do better, maybe both! All of which I think he can achieve elsewhere 

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I don’t know whether he has a high opinion of himself or no, and I am obviously not privy to the offer on the table to judge whether it is just. However I could understand a young players ego being raised by the high praise he has received , especially from Martin O’Neill when manager of ROI. I would prefer keep as I believe him to be a talented lad with the best yet to come, but oh he won’t sign then he has to be moved on now as I wouldn’t want to lose him for nothing. Any chance of a bid from Forest?

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A newbie to OTIB. I'm also not his agent or his dad. This & the O'Dowda thread is a full of conspiracy theories gone mental, dark forces are at work to get wretched Callum away. It's embarrassing. If he does want out, it's no wonder given all the crap doing the rounds. If my memory serves me right, didn't Johnson say he was a great human being, unlucky with injuries?. Granted, he has flaws but he has shown glimpses of magic. He has been a huge loss to us towards the end of the campaign but getting injured is not the reason why we didn't make the play-offs

The lad wont sign a new deal. That's all we know. We don't why and we never will. Why do some feel they to fill in the gaps when they know jack sh**?. I agree with reddogkev that this baller is worth fighting for. He could really kick on with us next season and be an important part of our next drive for improved success.  If we lose him, then so be it. I wish him the best.

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It would appear that he wants to move on due to the lack of will to sign a new contract.

Some of the comments made by LJ towards the end of the season did not sit well either - it would appear that the player was not prepared to play - could be any number of reasons for that, not least that he wants to go......

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2 hours ago, reddogkev said:

Does he really want to go, though?  What is this based on?  If it's the contract for example, provided he's being realistic, then the club should meet his requirement as best they can.  He'll be worth at least £5million with another good season under his belt.

He will be worth nothing with another season under his belt, as hell take the signing on fee for himself as a bosman transfer. 

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23 minutes ago, EnderMB said:

I like COD, and I'd like him to stay, but I'd rather the club put this out in the open.

Offer him a new contract, give him a week to sign it, and if he doesn't, declare him available for transfer. If there's interest, but the financials are wrong, meet up and hash it out.

My one criticism of this club, and it's one that's been a problem for years, is that we drag these things out far too long.

The window isn't even open yet! We no longer do our business "in the open" which is the right way imo.

If Callum refuses to sign a new contract and we're not prepared to offer him improved terms, he'll be moved on for the right price and the first thing we'll hear about it is an ITK on here reporting it a couple of hours before the press conference!

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4 minutes ago, Rudolf Hucker said:

The window isn't even open yet! We no longer do our business "in the open" which is the right way imo.

If Callum refuses to sign a new contract and we're not prepared to offer him improved terms, he'll be moved on for the right price and the first thing we'll hear about it is an ITK on here reporting it a couple of hours before the press conference!

This isn't out of the blue. COD's head was allegedly turned before last window, and we dragged it out without giving any clarity on his position.

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Like others I also imagine he wants out, in which case I'm really not that bothered - however I'll stop short of doing the "don't let the door hit you on the way out thing". 

I do think there is a "player" there, certainly among the 3-4 with the highest potential at the club to play at a higher level (well disciplined wingers with strength, pace and balance often go far), and maybe that is what is driving his self-belief. My biggest problem with the guy is his consistency, which is abysmal. He has one good game, then goes missing the next.

Perhaps he thinks that is down to the manager and tactics rather than his ability. I don't know. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that it isn't all his fault, as between he and Eliasson we know that neither player survives a poor 45 minutes in the team long enough to develop any consistency. Nonetheless, O'Dowda's record of staying in the team is appalling.

Side question - we know he and Brownhill are best buddies. They're the same age and both clearly have potential. Arguably Brownhill has done more to demonstrate his. He has also signed a new contract and appears loyal and passionate about City. O'Dowda isn't. In so many other ways they are alike, what drives that one difference. Dare I mention class?

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1 minute ago, EnderMB said:

This isn't out of the blue. COD's head was allegedly turned before last window, and we dragged it out without giving any clarity on his position.

We know nothing. We thrive on gossip, rumour and intrigue. A random photo of the left knee of someone drinking coffee with LJ in Clifton can generate a ten page thread on here and keep us going for weeks.

City have possibly been very clear and precise with Callum - or maybe not. None of us know - unless we've been told. So how do you know "his head was allegedly turned" or that we've "dragged it out without giving any clarity on his position"?

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13 minutes ago, EnderMB said:

This isn't out of the blue. COD's head was allegedly turned before last window, and we dragged it out without giving any clarity on his position.

Who is the we in your statement? Is that COD, City or a purchasing club? 

What clarity were you expecting, the club rightfully don't tell the public (including its own fans/supporters) anything about on going transfer situations. 

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3 minutes ago, Olé said:

Side question - we know he and Brownhill are best buddies. They're the same age and both clearly have potential. Arguably Brownhill has done more to demonstrate his. He has also signed a new contract and appears loyal and passionate about City. O'Dowda isn't. In so many other ways they are alike, what drives that one difference. Dare I mention class?

Fair question Olé. Perhaps being a regular part of a second or third level international squad has given Callum ideas above his present level of development? Josh spends his international breaks back at home with his family, he's stated in previous interviews, so perhaps that helps to explain the difference?

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58 minutes ago, EnderMB said:

I like COD, and I'd like him to stay, but I'd rather the club put this out in the open.

Offer him a new contract, give him a week to sign it, and if he doesn't, declare him available for transfer. If there's interest, but the financials are wrong, meet up and hash it out.

My one criticism of this club, and it's one that's been a problem for years, is that we drag these things out far too long.

Im guessing that if we want him to stay we would have offered him a new contract during the current season ( i.e. the one just finished) so before he goes into the final year.  It's then in the player's hands as to whether he accepts or not, although my read is that it's become clear in the last few months that he is not going to sign.

If so, and we are looking to offload him, then the earliest we can do that is when the summer window opens so can;t see how we've dragged things out far too long.

Also, if COD is looking for a move you can bet his agent has been touting him around clubs that they think will be interested. If so, and there is genuine interest, then fingers crossed we get offers in quickly once the window is open again.

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12 minutes ago, Olé said:

Like others I also imagine he wants out, in which case I'm really not that bothered - however I'll stop short of doing the "don't let the door hit you on the way out thing". 

I do think there is a "player" there, certainly among the 3-4 with the highest potential at the club to play at a higher level (well disciplined wingers with strength, pace and balance often go far), and maybe that is what is driving his self-belief. My biggest problem with the guy is his consistency, which is abysmal. He has one good game, then goes missing the next.

Perhaps he thinks that is down to the manager and tactics rather than his ability. I don't know. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that it isn't all his fault, as between he and Eliasson we know that neither player survives a poor 45 minutes in the team long enough to develop any consistency. Nonetheless, O'Dowda's record of staying in the team is appalling.

Side question - we know he and Brownhill are best buddies. They're the same age and both clearly have potential. Arguably Brownhill has done more to demonstrate his. He has also signed a new contract and appears loyal and passionate about City. O'Dowda isn't. In so many other ways they are alike, what drives that one difference. Dare I mention class?

I agree with all of that.  For me COD should sign a new deal, one that will be much improved on his current deal, knuckle down and be a key part of next season’s team.  He can do a Flint and agree verbally that if we get the right offer he can go. Win-win. 

But football, clubs and players aren’t like that. 

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1 minute ago, hodge said:

LJ has said since January we've been trying to get him to sign a new deal, clearly club want him to stay.

Depends on what money the club have offered him,,, offer him 25k a week for 3 years and he will stay. I dont think hes worth that though, and if the contract offer puts him at the average first team salary level and he refuses it, then we should let him go. Hes clearly a decent prospect but hasnt really affected games often enough in my view.

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28 minutes ago, simon uk said:

Depends on what money the club have offered him,,, offer him 25k a week for 3 years and he will stay. I dont think hes worth that though, and if the contract offer puts him at the average first team salary level and he refuses it, then we should let him go. Hes clearly a decent prospect but hasnt really affected games often enough in my view.

Exactly. Whatever average is in terms of squad wage then he's that, but no more.

I seem to recall LJ questioning his character when injured but didn't see the quote, is that the case or otib 2+2 =5 ? If so then that might be the reason for his apparent stance on a new contract.

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3 hours ago, Rudolf Hucker said:

Free Nelson Mandela. 

Oh hang on. 

My daughter used to think that song was about her - free Nelson and Ella.......

And no she isn't called Nelson.

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4 minutes ago, steveybadger said:

My daughter used to think that song was about her - free Nelson and Ella.......

And no she isn't called Nelson.

Wow.

What would she think if she heard France Gall's song, Ella Elle l'a'?

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1 hour ago, Olé said:

Side question - we know he and Brownhill are best buddies. They're the same age and both clearly have potential. Arguably Brownhill has done more to demonstrate his. He has also signed a new contract and appears loyal and passionate about City. O'Dowda isn't. In so many other ways they are alike, what drives that one difference. Dare I mention class?

I think COD is advised by 'business-minded' individuals shall we say, who know that to milk as much money out of COD's short career they need to keep him moving...transfer fees, signing on fees, bigger wages etc. 

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4 hours ago, Super said:

I'm sure the club have offered him a god deal on a par with a lot of players. He was hardly busting a gut to play for us at the end of the season was he?

For a second there I thought that read as a God deal with a lot of prayers.!!

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Got no time for players who don't want to stay with us. You're either with us or against us.

He (and his agent) probably think he's better (and worth more money) than he really is.

He's had some good games, but also a few bad ones. Needs to be more direct and consistent.

Maybe another coach will get that out of him. We'll see.

If he goes, we'll hopefully find someone better who wants to be here and wear the shirt with pride. 

 

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12 minutes ago, Bazooka Joe said:

Got no time for players who don't want to stay with us. You're either with us or against us.

He (and his agent) probably think he's better (and worth more money) than he really is.

He's had some good games, but also a few bad ones. Needs to be more direct and consistent.

Maybe another coach will get that out of him. We'll see.

If he goes, we'll hopefully find someone better who wants to be here and wear the shirt with pride. 

 

Seems pretty clear he is not "on the bus". Over to Ashton to get the best deal for us, as he did with Reid.

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2 hours ago, Kid in the Riot said:

I think COD is advised by 'business-minded' individuals shall we say, who know that to milk as much money out of COD's short career they need to keep him moving...transfer fees, signing on fees, bigger wages etc. 

I think he is another young lad heavily influenced by his father. I just hope for his sake that his father provides better advice than Zach Clough’s. 

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19 hours ago, reddogkev said:

 

Unless he has had a falling out with coaches / players, or has suddenly turned into a greedy b*stard, why wouldn't he want to stay with City?

 

You think he may have had some kind of roe with the club... ?  or could it be his advisors egging him on to go for a move and he's taken the bait hook line and sinker?     

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16 minutes ago, WhistleHappy said:

You think he may have had some kind of roe with the club... ?  or could it be his advisors egging him on to go for a move and he's taken the bait hook line and sinker?     

COD had a roe ? :) 

 

 

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1 hour ago, WhistleHappy said:

You think he may have had some kind of roe with the club... ?  or could it be his advisors egging him on to go for a move and he's taken the bait hook line and sinker?     

If his agent/ advisors have turned Callum's head, I'm going to gut them like a fish!

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It was obvious from day one that ODowda would see out his 3 years with us and look to move higher. He did the same to his hometown team so why would it be any different for us.

I like the guy as a player but as others have said his potential far outweights anything we've ever seen from him, certainly on a consistent enough basis. 

He'll be sold for £5m+, good business.

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