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Having been out at a Birthday celebration I have not watched any football today but instead just going through the reports to get an understanding of how things went

the pool tamed the shrew(expected) BUT the Shrews had a goal ruled out by var is that allowed as their players aren't used to it and should it not only apply to the cheating bar stewards in the prem (and yes I don't know the offside rule  but male).

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I think it’s obvious you’ve been out at a birthday ‘celebration’ !!!!! Re-read your post tomorrow ... but fair play for having a top night out! 

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16 minutes ago, reddoh said:

Having been out at a Birthday celebration I have not watched any football today but instead just going through the reports to get an understanding of how things went

the pool tamed the shrew(expected) BUT the Shrews had a goal ruled out by var is that allowed as their players aren't used to it and should it not only apply to the cheating bar stewards in the prem (and yes I don't know the offside rule  but male).

Pretty sure when we played Man City in the Cup in 17/18, we couldn’t use goal line tech, because it wasn’t in place for both legs, or something like that.

Or maybe it was another cup game, where had there been a replay, it wouldn’t be available.

Personally, I think it’s wrong to have VAR unless it is for both initial tie and replay.

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8 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Pretty sure when we played Man City in the Cup in 17/18, we couldn’t use goal line tech, because it wasn’t in place for both legs, or something like that.

Or maybe it was another cup game, where had there been a replay, it wouldn’t be available.

Personally, I think it’s wrong to have VAR unless it is for both initial tie and replay.

Why wasn’t goal line tech available for our games vs Man City? - it was being used in both the premier league and championship that season ...

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13 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

Why wasn’t goal line tech available for our games vs Man City? - it was being used in both the premier league and championship that season ...

As I said might’ve been another cup game.  Thinking back, it must’ve been at least the season before, because I remember them installing it above our seats for the Stoke game.  Hull - season before???  Dunno, certainly recall something.

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I thought  the FA would get this sorted out as it is their competition but I do wonder as the premier league is their pet and deserves all the help it can possibly get! 

 

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43 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Pretty sure when we played Man City in the Cup in 17/18, we couldn’t use goal line tech, because it wasn’t in place for both legs, or something like that.

Or maybe it was another cup game, where had there been a replay, it wouldn’t be available.

Personally, I think it’s wrong to have VAR unless it is for both initial tie and replay.

It was VAR 'Ashton Gate isn't technically ready for VAR! Arsenal vs Chelsea will have it though, so don't worry if you were just really excited for a robot referee.'

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/01/09/manchester-city-vs-bristol-city-league-cup-semi-final-live/ 

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Really poor that they have it in some games and not others. I hate VAR myself but at least use it consistently if they are going to use it.

You would have felt absolutely gutted being a Shrews fan after that goal got ruled out.

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It's ludicrous amd completely ridiculous that if this game had taken place at Shrewsbury, their goal would have almost certainly stood. It is a disgrace and stupefying that the playing field is NOT level in the competition called the FA Cup. It degrades the whole nature of the rules, and is a travesty.  Good luck to the young lads of Liverpool, but VAR should be for everyone, or not at all.  Ok, so the goal was correctly ruled out, but the spririt of the game is being eroded by VAR, and it has to be re-examined, as it is not working IMHO.

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5 hours ago, maxjak said:

It's ludicrous amd completely ridiculous that if this game had taken place at Shrewsbury, their goal would have almost certainly stood. It is a disgrace and stupefying that the playing field is NOT level in the competition called the FA Cup. It degrades the whole nature of the rules, and is a travesty.  Good luck to the young lads of Liverpool, but VAR should be for everyone, or not at all.  Ok, so the goal was correctly ruled out, but the spririt of the game is being eroded by VAR, and it has to be re-examined, as it is not working IMHO.

The goal was not correctly ruled out. The decision went against IFAB's guidance. VAR is not meant to be used for marginal decisions.

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9 hours ago, hodge said:

It was VAR 'Ashton Gate isn't technically ready for VAR! Arsenal vs Chelsea will have it though, so don't worry if you were just really excited for a robot referee.'

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/01/09/manchester-city-vs-bristol-city-league-cup-semi-final-live/ 

@BS4 on Tour... na na na-na na

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9 hours ago, hodge said:

It was VAR 'Ashton Gate isn't technically ready for VAR! Arsenal vs Chelsea will have it though, so don't worry if you were just really excited for a robot referee.'

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/01/09/manchester-city-vs-bristol-city-league-cup-semi-final-live/ 

 

3 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

@BS4 on Tour... na na na-na na

Not sure what you’re getting at @Davefevs ?! What is this link telling me?!

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8 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

 

Not sure what you’re getting at @Davefevs ?! What is this link telling me?!

That because we didn’t have VAR, Man City couldn’t use it in the first leg. Had to both have VAR to use it. 

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9 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

That because we didn’t have VAR, Man City couldn’t use it in the first leg. Had to both have VAR to use it. 

Well, all I posted (above) was asking why we couldn’t use GOAL LINE TECHNOLOGY vs Man City as it was being used in both the PL and championship when we played Man City - this was in response to you posting that it couldn’t be used when we played Man City as it wasn’t in place when we played them - I didn’t mention VAR at all!

So na na na na na - right back at ya! ✌️😄🤣

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2 minutes ago, TomF said:

Another absolutely **** decision in the Wolves/Leicester game 

It's just bollocks, making a complete mockery of the game. 

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3 minutes ago, TomF said:

Another absolutely **** decision in the Wolves/Leicester game 

I’m actually in favour of VAR, think they need to tweak the process and also some rules need looking at in light of the use of it. 
 

However, that is ******* shocking. 

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4 minutes ago, TomF said:

Another absolutely **** decision in the Wolves/Leicester game 

It showed the player was off side So it was the correct decision

VAR could be a good thing

but the way its being used in this country is killing the game

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1 minute ago, Maltshoveller said:

It showed the player was off side So it was the correct decision

VAR could be a good thing

but the way its being used in this country is killing the game

Well it didn't, the margin of error as quoted by hawkeye is 32 cm I believe so it didn't show anything of the sort. 

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3 minutes ago, WolfOfWestStreet said:

I hate premier league football so much I'm starting to think I don't even want city to go up.

VAR is just the worst thing to happen to football I hate it a passion. 

Even worse it means that Paul Ince has just made some sense which is frankly a disgrace. 

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Rules of football applied, VAR isn't the issue its the fact no one thought to look over the rules of football to see if complications could be thrown up by it

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2 hours ago, hodge said:

Rules of football applied, VAR isn't the issue its the fact no one thought to look over the rules of football to see if complications could be thrown up by it

Of course VAR is the a big issue in this. If we didn't have the stupid thing no one would be questioning the sort of goal that was ruled out tonight.  No one would care either.

Until it is used to sort out the 'clear and obvious', error, as it promised to do, then it will never be accepted by fans and players. Even then I personally wouldn't want it in the game as it slows it down etc.

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14 hours ago, Maltshoveller said:

It showed the player was off side So it was the correct decision

VAR could be a good thing

but the way its being used in this country is killing the game

And again. The goal was not correctly ruled out. The decision went against IFAB's guidance. VAR is not meant to be used for marginal decisions. What is occurring is that goals are being ruled out now because doing otherwise and following the official International guidance will harm the integrity of results.

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Apologies for re-opening this topic. However I just cannot see where the offside is. The player receives the ball from the corner therefore cannot be offside. Then he passes backwards, so no offside there either. Please can someone with a greater understanding of the laws please explain when and where the offside occurred. Thanks.

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36 minutes ago, trickytimes said:

Apologies for re-opening this topic. However I just cannot see where the offside is. The player receives the ball from the corner therefore cannot be offside. Then he passes backwards, so no offside there either. Please can someone with a greater understanding of the laws please explain when and where the offside occurred. Thanks.

This came up a little while ago as I wasn't fully aware of the rule either.

It doesn't matter if the pass was backwards, it's because the Wolves player that received it was ahead of the ball.

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On 04/02/2020 at 23:23, Davefevs said:

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Personally, I think it’s wrong to have VAR unless it is for both initial tie and replay.

Personally, I’d end that sentence at “...VAR.”

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2 hours ago, Roe said:

This came up a little while ago as I wasn't fully aware of the rule either.

It doesn't matter if the pass was backwards, it's because the Wolves player that received it was ahead of the ball.

I wish I'd have seen this because it sounds weird. I was watching the 4-4 bore draw on Sky at the time.

What happened, was he standing in an offside position for the corner, and came back to collect a short one?

This is puzzling me.

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11 minutes ago, AppyDAZE said:

I wish I'd have seen this because it sounds weird. I was watching the 4-4 bore draw on Sky at the time.

What happened, was he standing in an offside position for the corner, and came back to collect a short one?

This is puzzling me.

He took the a short corner, and was running away from the goal when the ball was played back to him. So the ball went backwards, and when he received the ball he was in an onside position. But at the moment the ball was played, he was in a (very arguably) offside position. 

 

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2 minutes ago, elhombrecito said:

He took the a short corner, and was running away from the goal when the ball was played back to him. So the ball went backwards, and when he received the ball he was in an onside position. But at the moment the ball was played, he was in an (very arguably) offside position. 

 

Gotcha. Thanks. VAR is a joke.

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2 hours ago, Roe said:

This came up a little while ago as I wasn't fully aware of the rule either.

It doesn't matter if the pass was backwards, it's because the Wolves player that received it was ahead of the ball.

Seen it now. Mad.

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2 hours ago, elhombrecito said:

He took the a short corner, and was running away from the goal when the ball was played back to him. So the ball went backwards, and when he received the ball he was in an onside position. But at the moment the ball was played, he was in a (very arguably) offside position. 

 

So ball went backwards?....in which case cannot be offside.

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20 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

So ball went backwards?....in which case cannot be offside.

There is no mention of the direction of the pass in the offside law. He was in front of the ball when it was passed, therefore he can be offside. 

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34 minutes ago, elhombrecito said:

There is no mention of the direction of the pass in the offside law. He was in front of the ball when it was passed, therefore he can be offside. 

Arggggh, what an arse I am.

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1 hour ago, elhombrecito said:

There is no mention of the direction of the pass in the offside law. He was in front of the ball when it was passed, therefore he can be offside. 

Wow. That’s news to be. I thought the ball had to be played forwards. Is that new?

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6 minutes ago, Fordy62 said:

Wow. That’s news to be. I thought the ball had to be played forwards. Is that new?

It's been that way all the way through modern football, but every time it comes up a few people are surprised.

It seems like there were a few generations who got taught a simplified version of it they've never unlearned.

You will regularly notice pundits, managers and professionals get this wrong from now on and it will annoy you!

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12 minutes ago, Nibor said:

It's been that way all the way through modern football, but every time it comes up a few people are surprised.

It seems like there were a few generations who got taught a simplified version of it they've never unlearned.

You will regularly notice pundits, managers and professionals get this wrong from now on and it will annoy you!

To be fair this situation is very, very rare. Generally when the ball is played backwards the receiver is behind the ball meaning that they can't be onside meaning that I think people associate a backwards pass with being unable to be offside. 

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1 minute ago, Spud55 said:

To be fair this situation is very, very rare. Generally when the ball is played backwards the receiver is behind the ball meaning that they can't be onside meaning that I think people associate a backwards pass with being unable to be offside. 

It happens enough that most fans would have encountered it a few times before - usually around balls drilled through the box level or cut back, sometimes around short corners.  It's come up on here at least once in the last six months.

What is surprising is the number of people who have this "ball moves forwards" form of words in their head having been taught it even though it's never been part of the laws. 

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18 minutes ago, hodge said:

Compare Son's var red card for kicking out vs Maguire

Quite. How was this not reviewed 🤷‍♂️
 

 

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28 minutes ago, TomF said:

Quite. How was this not reviewed 🤷‍♂️
 

 

It was and deemed not violent conduct

On the disallowed goal to me Fred pushes CA into Williams so how does VAR allow one push but not another 

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4 minutes ago, hodge said:

It was and deemed not violent conduct

On the disallowed goal to me Fred pushes CA into Williams so how does VAR allow one push but not another 

For me this is the exact purpose of the pitch side monitor, as we may have ended up with 2 completely different interpretations of the "foul" or not. VAR should ask the ref to have another look and make up their own mind. 

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1 minute ago, hodge said:

It was and deemed not violent conduct

On the disallowed goal to me Fred pushes CA into Williams so how does VAR allow one push but not another 

Both have one thing in common 

Goes in Man Utd favour 

Thought that might of ended with VAR

but still need to look after the big boys

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