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How The Flip Do We Beat WBA?!

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Only 4 teams have beaten them in the league this season, although three of those came since 29th December. 

Cardiff the last team to beat them, via a Tomlin free kick winner.

But how do we do it? Take the game to them? Play on the counter a la WR Derby County win?

How do we stop Livermore running the show? 

Any ideas we can pass on to the management team?

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They've switched to a 4-3-3 after playing most of the season in a 4-2-3-1 formation. 

Last two games they've gone with this. 

Johnstone

O'Shea, Ajayi, Bartley, Townsend

Livermore, Sawyers, Krovinovic

Pereira, Robson-Kanu, Robinson

Diangana has been injured, he was class against us at their place, hopefully he misses this one as well. 

They've got quality on the bench with Charlie Austin & Matt Phillips.

Whoscored has them down as being weak at defending set pieces, perhaps this should be our focus Saturday.

https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1381790/Show/England-Championship-2019-2020-Bristol-City-West-Bromwich-Albion

Could certainly do with Benkovic starting this one to mark Ajayi at set-pieces & be a threat in their box as well. 

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47 minutes ago, mozo said:

Only 4 teams have beaten them in the league this season, although three of those came since 29th December. 

Cardiff the last team to beat them, via a Tomlin free kick winner.

But how do we do it? Take the game to them? Play on the counter a la WR Derby County win?

How do we stop Livermore running the show? 

Any ideas we can pass on to the management team?

Get into them and....

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How about...a repeat of the last home game vs them?

We blitzed, absolutely blitzed them early. Personnel has changed but it has for them too- I believe they are similar to if not weaker than they were last April- certainly up top, but on the flipside Bilic is quite an upgrade on Moore, let alone Shan.

I think we have to be brave and yes it can't be a complete repeat but we have to be brave and get the crowd up- weren't we 3 up within the 1st 15-20 mins?? I still don't think they are the best defensively.

I think they are more fallible defensively than Leeds- they can be got at a bit more.

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5 minutes ago, Riaz said:

This reminds me of when we played them in 2010. They were going for automatic then and we were outside the play-offs

Danny Haynes had a great game that day.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_div_1/8524204.stm

It can be done. Especially at home. Always Believe.

Best game Haynes had for us that day. Almost felt sorry for Joe Mattock!

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"A congenital heart defect has apparently felled all 11 West Brom players moments before they could step onto the pitch!"

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I'm all for the possession but this feels like could be useful for an aggressive counterpressing game.

Press them but in key areas- not conceding the ball as much as v Derby but aim at say high 30's-mid 40's % possession wise and look to spring them- they are vulnerable in some ways and they don't have Gayle and Rodriguez up top. We should be brave but not gung ho or excessively risky.

Whether we win or not, I do fancy LJ to get a reaction out of the side Saturday.

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Firstly we must believe that we can win , this is West Brom we’re talking about. They’re good but not unbeatable.

 

Secondly we must want it more . Refuse to be beaten at our home. Take our chance to show the rest of the division that we are serious contenders.

Probably , most important of all , is that Bristol Rob goes out for several smokes during the game. 

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1 hour ago, mozo said:

Only 4 teams have beaten them in the league this season, although three of those came since 29th December. 

Cardiff the last team to beat them, via a Tomlin free kick winner.

But how do we do it? Take the game to them? Play on the counter a la WR Derby County win?

How do we stop Livermore running the show? 

Any ideas we can pass on to the management team?

Score more than them 

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10 minutes ago, Super said:

Can't see us playing 4-4-2 that would be a big mistake.

I can see us playing ANYTHING. Because let's face it, we have tried every system under the sun and often during a single game.

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18 minutes ago, Super said:

Can't see us playing 4-4-2 that would be a big mistake.

Agreed. It would.

9 minutes ago, AppyDAZE said:

I can see us playing ANYTHING. Because let's face it, we have tried every system under the sun and often during a single game.

Genuine 4-3-3 aside. Which ironically I think could suit us rather well.

Which DOESN'T include Paterson, Palmer or even O'Dowda as one of those 3, from a balance and stability POV.

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40 minutes ago, Roe said:

"A congenital heart defect has apparently felled all 11 West Brom players moments before they could step onto the pitch!"

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... and still the heavyweight bullshitter of the wooooooooooooorld ...

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6 minutes ago, AppyDAZE said:

Who are gonna get

City's 4 goals then?

I will in attendance at the game and will happily bring my boots

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51 minutes ago, Tinmans Love Child said:

Get into them and....

...**** 'em up.

That'll be a good start.

Individual battles all over the pitch were lost last saturday and that can't happen this saturday - we won't get away with 0-1 again.

Into them right from the off.

 

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57 minutes ago, Riaz said:

This reminds me of when we played them in 2010. They were going for automatic then and we were outside the play-offs

Danny Haynes had a great game that day.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_div_1/8524204.stm

It can be done. Especially at home. Always Believe.

And I quote, "Johnson has only just returned from a loan spell at Derby and provided a telling contribution to help ease the pressure on his father and manager Gary."

1 hour ago, CHAZ MICHAELS said:

It's quite simple, we just have to score at least 1 more goal than they do.

Why weren't you in the dressing room on Saturday?!

33 minutes ago, BigTone said:

Score more than them 

That'll never work...

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19 minutes ago, Robbored said:

We beat them the same way as last season.

That was down to putting Webster in midfield, completely threw them. We need to apply the same intensity like last season, that won us the game. Start like we have pretty much all season and it could be all over for us by HT. 

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They are very well organised, but quite a dogged side, not at all like West Brom teams of the past.  They are vulnerable at set pieces.  A friend of mine is a West Brom fan and he has been predicting that the bubble will burst all season, but has been impressed how they’ve kept on grinding out narrow victories (excep over the new year, when they had a pretty poor run).  I think the answer has to be to play as we did against Derby, as Benkovic and Hendrickson will scare them at set pieces. Everyone has to be on their game, and we could do with a large dollop of good LUCK.  Simple really.

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12 minutes ago, Negan said:

That was down to putting Webster in midfield, completely threw them. We need to apply the same intensity like last season, that won us the game. Start like we have pretty much all season and it could be all over for us by HT. 

Indeed - very smart move by LJ. 

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1 hour ago, cityloyal473 said:

Go at them from the off. If we end up losing at least we had a go. 

This! Stuff the over respectful stuff. Yes, they're a good side but so are we. 

I could accept a defeat if we had a right go for a change. I think most would in all honesty. 

go for it City! 

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5 3 2 .... hope for the best...

There usualy good games entertaining games....

Bollox to that....

Play when it breaks down for them....

They will give you a chance or 2

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2 hours ago, mozo said:

Only 4 teams have beaten them in the league this season, although three of those came since 29th December. 

Cardiff the last team to beat them, via a Tomlin free kick winner.

But how do we do it? Take the game to them? Play on the counter a la WR Derby County win?

How do we stop Livermore running the show? 

Any ideas we can pass on to the management team?

Cheat.

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Maybe adopt a little of Leeds 'professionalism' for both Saturday's game and the remaining matches.

They are masters of it and we could do with employing some of it.

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One things for sure, we need to be smart.  Every time Livermore cynically commits a foul to break our flow (believe me, it will be multiple occasions), we need to get in the refs ear and tell him the count.  And that’s just the niggly stuff.  Likely to leave his foot in, go in high, etc as well during the 90.  Get him on a yellow it reduces his effectiveness.  He’s Sawyers protector, he stops transition which expose Sawyers lack of defensive ability.

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He will go 3-5-2 but Ellison will play wing back 

 

 .....,,...........Bentley...........

........,Kalas. Williams ....Benkovic....

elliason...hendrikson....smith......,,,,,Dasilva .....

...............,,,,,........,,,,..pato...........

......,,,,,,,,,....Wells.....................fam......,, 

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What a difference...

 

WBA CHARACTERISTICS

Finishing scoring chances
Very Strong
Coming back from losing positions
Very Strong
Creating scoring chances
Strong
Attacking down the wings
Strong
Creating long shot opportunities
Strong
Creating chances using through balls
Strong
Creating chances through individual skill
Strong

 

Defending against long shots
Weak
Defending set pieces
Weak
Stopping opponents from creating chances
Weak
Avoiding fouling in dangerous areas
Weak
 

West Bromwich Albion's Style of Play

  • Possession football
  • Control the game in the opposition's half
  • Attack through the middle
  • Short passes
  • Attempt through balls often
  • Opponents play aggressively against them

 

CITY CHARACTERISTICS

 

Finishing scoring chances
Very Strong
Attacking down the wings
Very Strong
Creating chances using through balls
Strong
Stealing the ball from the opposition
Strong

 

Keeping possession of the ball
Weak
Stopping opponents from creating chances
Weak
Defending against long shots
Weak
Protecting the lead
Weak
Defending counter attacks
Weak
Avoiding individual errors
Weak
 

Bristol City's Style of Play

  • Attempt through balls often
  • Attack through the middle
  • Attacking down the right
  • Long balls
  • Rotate their first eleven
  • Playing in their own half
  • Non-aggressive

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1 hour ago, ExiledAjax said:

Fortis fortuna adiuvat  

Is he available on a free? Har har 🤡

40 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

One things for sure, we need to be smart.  Every time Livermore cynically commits a foul to break our flow (believe me, it will be multiple occasions), we need to get in the refs ear and tell him the count.  And that’s just the niggly stuff.  Likely to leave his foot in, go in high, etc as well during the 90.  Get him on a yellow it reduces his effectiveness.  He’s Sawyers protector, he stops transition which expose Sawyers lack of defensive ability.

I really don't rate their attackers but all about their midfield.

I guess Henriksen has to be the screen in front of defence, but also combatting Livermore's physicality.

Then Korey to stay tight to Sawyers?

Can we play Wells and Fam? 

Can we play Weimann and Elliasson?!

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19 minutes ago, mozo said:

Is he available on a free? Har har 🤡

I really don't rate their attackers but all about their midfield.

I guess Henriksen has to be the screen in front of defence, but also combatting Livermore's physicality.

Then Korey to stay tight to Sawyers?

Can we play Wells and Fam? 

Can we play Weimann and Elliasson?!

I think we have to see Fam and Nahki together at home.  We either go wingbacks to facilitate that (I wouldn’t personally) or we play a 442 variant, but the wide midfielder on the opposite side to the ball gas to come inside, play narrow and make it a transitional three.  They need to do it quickly and be prepared for the switch, where the wideman who’s been tucked in, now becomes the wide midfielder, and everyone shifts across again.

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8 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

I think we have to see Fam and Nahki together at home.  We either go wingbacks to facilitate that (I wouldn’t personally) or we play a 442 variant, but the wide midfielder on the opposite side to the ball gas to come inside, play narrow and make it a transitional three.  They need to do it quickly and be prepared for the switch, where the wideman who’s been tucked in, now becomes the wide midfielder, and everyone shifts across again.

Brownhills with his skillset could've been perfect for the wide right in the 4-4-2...able to play wide RM and CM. Don't think we have a real natural fit for that now though. I mean we have some who could be okay in that role, but natural?

Possibly go O'Dowda from a tactical POV, as he can run at opposition both our wide and on the break in the middle perhaps. 

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For me, the game will be won and lost in the midfield. If we sit back at home (again), we are done for.

If we dictate and press them via midfield, we have a chance. They are defo beatable IMO.

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Read that WBA have  started playing 4-3-3. Dunno if it's temporary. 

Strong midfield as others say. Livermore and Sawyers, Krovinovic can come inside, Pereira AND Diangana but they're wide aren't they?

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3 hours ago, Super said:

Can't see us playing 4-4-2 that would be a big mistake.

LJ Likely to spring a surprise again with 442 you just know it

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3 minutes ago, GasDestroyer said:

For me, the game will be won and lost in the midfield. If we sit back at home (again), we are done for.

If we dictate and press them via midfield, we have a chance. They are defo beatable IMO.

4-3-3 do you think?

Definitely think we'd need that platform. Agree we must be positive, they maybe top but in a lot of ways I rate Leeds and in some ways Brentford as tougher.

Last season, 3-0 in the first 20!

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3 hours ago, JonDolman said:

Shame we ain't got Adam Webster in midfield again! What a game he had there last season.

Really need Korey back for this one.

For 20-30 minutes he was fantastic....before rookie manager James Shan realised we’d gone 4222.  After that it was edge of the seat stuff, and although we did spring a few counter-attacks we just held on.

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