M.D Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 5 hours ago, marcofisher said: If we have 4 players suffering from an injured hamstring, can we not just combine them to make two complete players? What, like the three legged race? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swanker Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 On 13/01/2021 at 19:11, Major Isewater said: I hope it is . If it’s not then once again serious questions need to be answered. Cam Pring played 17 ninety min games at Pompey never missed a days training , we recall him he’s back ten days they put him on a heavy weight program for his legs they make him do it two days on the spin what happens ? He pulls his hamstring!! Out now for 8-10 weeks they have not got a clue and they have all been brought in by MARK ASHTON how long now are we going to put up with this man ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbie Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 15 minutes ago, swanker said: Cam Pring played 17 ninety min games at Pompey never missed a days training , we recall him he’s back ten days they put him on a heavy weight program for his legs they make him do it two days on the spin what happens ? He pulls his hamstring!! Out now for 8-10 weeks they have not got a clue and they have all been brought in by MARK ASHTON how long now are we going to put up with this man ? Do you know that as fact? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 50 minutes ago, swanker said: Cam Pring played 17 ninety min games at Pompey never missed a days training , we recall him he’s back ten days they put him on a heavy weight program for his legs they make him do it two days on the spin what happens ? He pulls his hamstring!! Out now for 8-10 weeks they have not got a clue and they have all been brought in by MARK ASHTON how long now are we going to put up with this man ? Why do they do that? What’s the purpose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tin Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 Lots of talk on this thread about luck or perhaps the lack of it with injuries. This has been going on for at least the last two-and-a-half seasons now, luck has nothing to do with it. At any point during that time, SL could’ve instructed a thorough audit of our medical team, training methods and who oversees it. Then make informed decisions on how to rectify it (and I don’t mean simply letting Ashton employ more of his mates). Rolls as head of performance needs to go, the medical team that has drawn public criticism from Williams needs to go, Ashton (who appointed all of them) needs to go. SL wouldn’t accept such failure in the finance world, so why is it acceptable in football? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swanker Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 41 minutes ago, Bobbie said: Do you know that as fact? How did he do his leg? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin_unreliant Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 19 minutes ago, swanker said: How did he do his leg? We don't know. Do you - or have you just made up your own story? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Team Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 26 minutes ago, tin said: Lots of talk on this thread about luck or perhaps the lack of it with injuries. This has been going on for at least the last two-and-a-half seasons now, luck has nothing to do with it. At any point during that time, SL could’ve instructed a thorough audit of our medical team, training methods and who oversees it. Then make informed decisions on how to rectify it (and I don’t mean simply letting Ashton employ more of his mates). Rolls as head of performance needs to go, the medical team that has drawn public criticism from Williams needs to go, Ashton (who appointed all of them) needs to go. SL wouldn’t accept such failure in the finance world, so why is it acceptable in football? Superb summary of how I see it as well. I am sure like many of you this would be accepted in my work place and I am sure it wouldn’t at HL either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcofisher Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 1 hour ago, M.D said: What, like the three legged race? Exactly, would this proposal get me a spot on the medical team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.D Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 8 minutes ago, marcofisher said: Exactly, would this proposal get me a spot on the medical team? I think your exactly the kind of person we need, Do you know Mark? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pride of the west Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 If true they put him on a weight program mid season then thats madness. Few weights here and there wont do any harm but to be on an actual program is ludicrous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packman Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 Somebody made up a story about being put on a weight program for 2 days, and now it's being bandied about as fact. He way well have been but if we don't know for sure maybe we shouldn't just guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Wrongagain Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 No matter what the cause, poor training regimes or wrong length grass it needs sorting and fast! I don’t think there’s another professional club in the UK with our injury record! So many muscular injuries are no accident, the rumours about poor back room staff have circulated for far too long and the fact that team morale and work ethic have slipped only puts the blame on one person - there is only one responsible for hiring and firing - Ashton gate does not need Ashton! How long before injured players start legal action against the club? Can only be a matter of time before a career ending injury ends up costing the club millions in Court! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 1 minute ago, dave36 said: No matter what the cause, poor training regimes or wrong length grass it needs sorting and fast! I don’t think there’s another professional club in the UK with our injury record! So many muscular injuries are no accident, the rumours about poor back room staff have circulated for far too long and the fact that team morale and work ethic have slipped only puts the blame on one person - there is only one responsible for hiring and firing - Ashton gate does not need Ashton! How long before injured players start legal action against the club? Can only be a matter of time before a career ending injury ends up costing the club millions in Court! Steve Brooker was very scathing about the medical team from his time here. Pretty much cut short his career I think is what he said/insinuated. Whether he tried any type of legal action I'm not sure/can't remember. When you think about it though, how many players have we had throughout the years where injuries/rehab have been an issue. Cheesley is the big obvious one, but what about the continual injury squad? Mercer, Matthews, Peacock (had his moments), Brooker. Throw Williams from the current squad in the mix - actually throw most of this squad in the mix - and it's pretty alarming. How about the loanees we've broken? Afobe (in training), Velika, Rodriguez just to name a few. How many over the years have come here on a season long loan, picked up a long term injury and then had their season ended whilst we're still paying them (I know Afobe came back but he never looked the same). I know in some instances they were freak injuries, but still you start asking yourself, are we cursed, unlucky, or when it comes to rehab, just incompetent? Something needs to be looked at, sooner rather than later. Personally I'd sack the lot and get in a new medical team that don't have history with long injury problems whilst in their care..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 5 minutes ago, Taz said: Steve Brooker was very scathing about the medical team from his time here. Pretty much cut short his career I think is what he said/insinuated. Whether he tried any type of legal action I'm not sure/can't remember. When you think about it though, how many players have we had throughout the years where injuries/rehab have been an issue. Cheesley is the big obvious one, but what about the continual injury squad? Mercer, Matthews, Peacock (had his moments), Brooker. Throw Williams from the current squad in the mix - actually throw most of this squad in the mix - and it's pretty alarming. How about the loanees we've broken? Afobe (in training), Velika, Rodriguez just to name a few. How many over the years have come here on a season long loan, picked up a long term injury and then had their season ended whilst we're still paying them (I know Afobe came back but he never looked the same). I know in some instances they were freak injuries, but still you start asking yourself, are we cursed, unlucky, or when it comes to rehab, just incompetent? Something needs to be looked at, sooner rather than later. Personally I'd sack the lot and get in a new medical team that don't have history with long injury problems whilst in their care..... Brooker tried to sue the club and take them court over lost earnings, unsure if it ever happened though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, petehinton said: Brooker tried to sue the club and take them court over lost earnings, unsure if it ever happened though I couldn't quite remember if that was the case or not. Do remember him being very damning though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sglosbcfc Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 21 minutes ago, Taz said: Steve Brooker was very scathing about the medical team from his time here. Pretty much cut short his career I think is what he said/insinuated. Whether he tried any type of legal action I'm not sure/can't remember. When you think about it though, how many players have we had throughout the years where injuries/rehab have been an issue. Cheesley is the big obvious one, but what about the continual injury squad? Mercer, Matthews, Peacock (had his moments), Brooker. Throw Williams from the current squad in the mix - actually throw most of this squad in the mix - and it's pretty alarming. How about the loanees we've broken? Afobe (in training), Velika, Rodriguez just to name a few. How many over the years have come here on a season long loan, picked up a long term injury and then had their season ended whilst we're still paying them (I know Afobe came back but he never looked the same). I know in some instances they were freak injuries, but still you start asking yourself, are we cursed, unlucky, or when it comes to rehab, just incompetent? Something needs to be looked at, sooner rather than later. Personally I'd sack the lot and get in a new medical team that don't have history with long injury problems whilst in their care..... Bloody hell mate, every club in the land could make a long list of injuries if they go back 20 years! We should focus on what has gone wrong in the last 12 months, in that time I've never known an injury list like it and no other club has been as badly affected as us so not all down to covid etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbie Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 2 hours ago, tin said: Lots of talk on this thread about luck or perhaps the lack of it with injuries. This has been going on for at least the last two-and-a-half seasons now, luck has nothing to do with it. At any point during that time, SL could’ve instructed a thorough audit of our medical team, training methods and who oversees it. Then make informed decisions on how to rectify it (and I don’t mean simply letting Ashton employ more of his mates). Rolls as head of performance needs to go, the medical team that has drawn public criticism from Williams needs to go, Ashton (who appointed all of them) needs to go. SL wouldn’t accept such failure in the finance world, so why is it acceptable in football? I think bad luck has some part to play. I completely agree that things don’t look good and there needs to be some sort of investigation into how this is happening. However, if you look at someone like Wiemann, he never missed a training session and happened to get an ACL injury by falling awkwardly during a game. Very little blame could be attached to the medical team for that yet his injury is still lumped in with the argument that we have the worst injury record in the league. It can’t be all put down to luck but you also can’t say it has nothing to do with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 5 minutes ago, Bobbie said: I think bad luck has some part to play. I completely agree that things don’t look good and there needs to be some sort of investigation into how this is happening. However, if you look at someone like Wiemann, he never missed a training session and happened to get an ACL injury by falling awkwardly during a game. Very little blame could be attached to the medical team for that yet his injury is still lumped in with the argument that we have the worst injury record in the league. It can’t be all put down to luck but you also can’t say it has nothing to do with it For me, and I keep saying it, the main concern is not the number of the muscle injuries, but the extent of them and recovery period. Where are the little hamstring / thigh niggles that need a game or two rest? These are full-blown hamstring / thigh tears. I get why a sprinter in full flow, even when warm might tear their hammer...like Sessegnon did, but others? O’Dowda 70 minutes into a game, didn’t appear to be off the back of a sprint. Opi Edwards - training, what training was he doing Brunt - calf in training, enough to end his season (and his contract) Walsh - quad, in training last season etc, etc @LondonBristolian made a good post about where blame might lie. Are the players not recognising their own fatigue either? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swanker Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 1 hour ago, robin_unreliant said: We don't know. Do you - or have you just made up your own story? Why would I make that up? I know hardly anything about Pring or his time at Pompey. All I know is what’s been passed on to me and that we have a long list of players with serious muscle injuries. How do you suppose all these similar injuries are happening? Coincidence perhaps! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 12 minutes ago, swanker said: Why would I make that up? I know hardly anything about Pring or his time at Pompey. All I know is what’s been passed on to me and that we have a long list of players with serious muscle injuries. How do you suppose all these similar injuries are happening? Coincidence perhaps! So either you've seen or had someone who knows specifically tell you about the heavy weights program? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjak Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 FFS...............It's the dreaded curse of Ashton Gate..........our next signing will probably sustain a cruciate ligament injury getting out of his Porsche in the car park? Coincidence tends to be the exception and not the rule, so maybe we need a Shaman to banish the bad 'Pheckin' spirits lurking around the place? Ha! PS. Or maybe a change of medical staff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tin Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Bobbie said: I think bad luck has some part to play. I completely agree that things don’t look good and there needs to be some sort of investigation into how this is happening. However, if you look at someone like Wiemann, he never missed a training session and happened to get an ACL injury by falling awkwardly during a game. Very little blame could be attached to the medical team for that yet his injury is still lumped in with the argument that we have the worst injury record in the league. It can’t be all put down to luck but you also can’t say it has nothing to do with it Sorry, but I disagree. I said earlier in the season that the intensity shown by both Weimann and Pato couldn’t be sustained and that they risked being burnt out unless they were rotated, especially after the lack of a break and proper pre-season. In both cases, it was poor management to keep picking them Sat-Weds-Sat. As you say, this is Weimann’s first serious injury. Well, if his body wasn’t under the strain it was, I think he’d have kept that record. So that’s not down to luck, but poor management IMO. For all we know, and I suspect this to be true, Weimann could’ve been one of the players to back up Williams’ story to Gregor about the medical care they’re receiving, in which case blame can be attached to them for the care (or lack of it) they might be receiving. There’s no smoke without fire with stories like these and this fire’s been burning for a while now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbie Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 5 minutes ago, tin said: For all we know, and I suspect this to be true, Weimann could’ve been one of the players to back up Williams’ story to Gregor about the medical care they’re receiving, in which case blame can be attached to them for the care (or lack of it) they might be receiving. There’s no smoke without fire with stories like these and this fire’s been burning for a while now. So you’re now just making stuff up to back up your point? Why do you suspect that to be true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 8 minutes ago, tin said: Sorry, but I disagree. I said earlier in the season that the intensity shown by both Weimann and Pato couldn’t be sustained and that they risked being burnt out unless they were rotated, especially after the lack of a break and proper pre-season. In both cases, it was poor management to keep picking them Sat-Weds-Sat. As you say, this is Weimann’s first serious injury. Well, if his body wasn’t under the strain it was, I think he’d have kept that record. So that’s not down to luck, but poor management IMO. For all we know, and I suspect this to be true, Weimann could’ve been one of the players to back up Williams’ story to Gregor about the medical care they’re receiving, in which case blame can be attached to them for the care (or lack of it) they might be receiving. There’s no smoke without fire with stories like these and this fire’s been burning for a while now. Agree with vast majority of that, but an ACL injury as freak as Weimann’s is difficult to class into the sane group as all the muscle injuries we’ve had. Having done my ACL going up for a header with nobody around me, I find it difficult to put Weimann’s injury in with the others. Happy to disagree though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, tin said: For all we know, and I suspect this to be true, Weimann could’ve been one of the players to back up Williams’ story to Gregor about the medical care they’re receiving, in which case blame can be attached to them for the care (or lack of it) they might be receiving. There’s no smoke without fire with stories like these and this fire’s been burning for a while now. I really don’t buy that the medical/physio department are at fault. They’re all fully qualified, professional and experienced people who know what they’re doing. As I posted previously the days of Buster Footman are long gone. If there is an explanation for the long injury list then maybe the training regime needs reviewing and I suspect that that is what Deano will be examining with his specialist team. As a former health care professional I’d be seriously irritated if an untrained patient of mine complained that I wasn’t doing a proper job.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, Robbored said: I really don’t buy that the medical/physio department are at fault. They’re all fully qualified, professional and experienced people who know what they’re doing. As I posted previously the days of Buster Footman are long gone. If there is an explanation for the long injury list then maybe the training regime needs reviewing and I suspect that that is what Deano will be examining with his specialist team. and the “medical” people, Rolls and Orme especially play a big part in defining (Rolls) that regime and implementing (Orme) it. If you watch the videos you will see Orme leading all the physical training stuff, warm-up, exercises etc. As a former health care professional I’d be seriously irritated if an untrained patient of mine complained that I wasn’t doing a proper job.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tin Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 Just now, Bobbie said: So you’re now just making stuff up to back up your point? Why do you suspect that to be true? Not making anything up, chap, just joining the dots and offering an opinion. Gregor had to corroborate the Williams story before going to print. Working in that industry and knowing how confidential sources work, that will mean he spoke to another player(s) or a member of the medical staff. I doubt the latter would admit their own failings, so it almost certainly came from a player(s). Given that Pato sought a second specialist opinion outside of the club after our own medics failed to get to the bottom of it, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if it was him. I could also see motive for Weimann because of his exemplary injury record. 4 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Agree with vast majority of that, but an ACL injury as freak as Weimann’s is difficult to class into the sane group as all the muscle injuries we’ve had. Having done my ACL going up for a header with nobody around me, I find it difficult to put Weimann’s injury in with the others. Happy to disagree though. Oh, I agree it’s usually bad luck to do an ACL. But I also think he was at risk of a serious injury due to the workload he was under, eg not being rotated out or allowed to rest - and that isn’t down to luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbie Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 1 minute ago, tin said: Not making anything up, chap, just joining the dots and offering an opinion. Gregor had to corroborate the Williams story before going to print. Working in that industry and knowing how confidential sources work, that will mean he spoke to another player(s) or a member of the medical staff. I doubt the latter would admit their own failings, so it almost certainly came from a player(s). Given that Pato sought a second specialist opinion outside of the club after our own medics failed to get to the bottom of it, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if it was him. I could also see motive for Weimann because of his exemplary injury record. So in short, yes, you’re completely making stuff up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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