JBFC II Posted January 31, 2021 Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 1 hour ago, TheReds said: Where does it all stop though? We are becoming a nation that just panders down a minority and too scared to speak up and actually have a debate without the name calling. Next step will be food sponsors because people are getting fat, energy drinks because they contain sugar, then it will be anything with meat in because Vegans don't like the sponsors. When are people going to take any responsibility for their own actions, or when are people going to get told to take some responsibility? Yes addiction to anything is bad, but not everything needs to be banned due to a minority. A minority? I would say the majority of the nation would be happy if shirts didn’t have gambling companies logos plastered all over them. Ofc people need to take responsibility for their actions, but surely providing companies that can ruin people’s lives with less opportunity to highlight their product is a good thing? Not really sure how anyone can disagree with this decision Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted January 31, 2021 Admin Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 12 hours ago, MelksRed said: Just heard on the BBC! Potentially a massive impact on us in terms of revenue. This had been mentioned as happening before this season, and before last season..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted January 31, 2021 Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 12 hours ago, Bar BS3 said: Not really, we'll probably just get another sponsor... Like what, 70%.. Of the other clubs..? I assume the football league will also need new sponsorship. I'll miss Mansion Bets advertising campaigns mind..! We might get another sponsor but I guess the reason all clubs have betting companies is the pay the most. 3 hours ago, TheReds said: Where does it all stop though? We are becoming a nation that just panders down a minority and too scared to speak up and actually have a debate without the name calling. Next step will be food sponsors because people are getting fat, energy drinks because they contain sugar, then it will be anything with meat in because Vegans don't like the sponsors. When are people going to take any responsibility for their own actions, or when are people going to get told to take some responsibility? Yes addiction to anything is bad, but not everything needs to be banned due to a minority. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted January 31, 2021 Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 Will be an influx of car dealerships/loan companies coming in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted January 31, 2021 Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 Just now, petehinton said: Will be an influx of car dealerships/loan companies coming in And line up the complaints about loan companies needing to be banned as shirt sponsors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted January 31, 2021 Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 Just now, Lrrr said: And line up the complaints about loan companies needing to be banned as shirt sponsors They’re even worse than gambling companies for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted January 31, 2021 Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 1 minute ago, petehinton said: They’re even worse than gambling companies for me We'll reach a point where charities are the only things allowed on shirts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReds Posted January 31, 2021 Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 1 hour ago, JBFC II said: A minority? I would say the majority of the nation would be happy if shirts didn’t have gambling companies logos plastered all over them. Ofc people need to take responsibility for their actions, but surely providing companies that can ruin people’s lives with less opportunity to highlight their product is a good thing? Not really sure how anyone can disagree with this decision Yes I would think it is a minority, the majority of the nation don't even watch football and I doubt they would have a view either way. As I said where does it all stop though? Are we going to all campaign against Plymouth and Ginsters due to people eating too many pasties? All drinks that contain sugar or even calories? Chocolate producers? Pizza Hut? Dominos? Mortgage companies? Every company that offers finance that get people into debt? I guess we cannot have Hargreaves Lansdown - expect many have lost money through shares? It is the start of a rocky road with too much regulation in my opinion. My main point is as a nation we have got into the victim mentality for virtually everything. If you have an issue with addiction go and seek some help and take some responsibility. Speaking as someone who many, many years ago got into debt through gambling myself, it was solely my fault and I sorted myself out, I didn't blame the bookies. Was it easy, no it wasn't. But I just do not see why we have a nation where they are now brought up to blame someone else for their own failings. Life isn't fair and it is hard for many people, but sometimes you just need to do something yourself and get on with it, but we have became too scared to tell people the truth for fear of offending them. We live in a country with free choice, whether that is gambling, eating, drinking, smoking etc. Many people enjoy any, or all of those things in moderation and have some fun, and a small minority will go too far and get a problem, but the answer isn't banning everything in sight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 31, 2021 Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 22 minutes ago, petehinton said: Will be an influx of car dealerships/loan companies coming in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted January 31, 2021 Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 I can remember many years back cries for bans on alcohol sponsors particularly Glasgow Rangers who had Tennents lager on their shirts. That died a death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeez Posted January 31, 2021 Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 Total assumption here but I get the sense the spiral on gambling addiction is potentially quicker & more damaging than alcoholism, especially in younger people. I really dislike the gambling sponsors, they will no doubt have impression on young people. Given the profits they make surely there can only be one winner. Happy to see the back of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted January 31, 2021 Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 Assume everyone agrees that the ban on cigarette sponsorship is a good thing. Don’t see why banning gambling sponsors is any different Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Maesknoll Red Posted January 31, 2021 Admin Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 4 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: Assume everyone agrees that the ban on cigarette sponsorship is a good thing. Don’t see why banning gambling sponsors is any different What next, drink? Then cars, unless it’s a totally electric brand and so on, where does it stop. I used to take part in competitions sponsored by Embassy, Woodbine and others, it didn’t make me want to smoke, anymore than the gambling sponsorship makes me want to gamble. I recall when we had Blackthorn on our shirts, again, that didn’t make me want to drink it, foul stuff (albeit head and shoulders above Strongbow). I would suggest the campaign to highlight the dangers of smoking and the price has more to do with it than advertising/ sponsorships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted January 31, 2021 Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 1 minute ago, Maesknoll Red said: What next, drink? Then cars, unless it’s a totally electric brand and so on, where does it stop. I used to take part in competitions sponsored by Embassy, Woodbine and others, it didn’t make me want to smoke, anymore than the gambling sponsorship makes me want to gamble. I recall when we had Blackthorn on our shirts, again, that didn’t make me want to drink it, foul stuff (albeit head and shoulders above Strongbow). I would suggest the campaign to highlight the dangers of smoking and the price has more to do with it than advertising/ sponsorships. I don’t care about what’s next. I care that gambling sponsorship is banned. Good for you that advertising doesn’t make you want to do it. Obviously not everyone is like that or advertising wouldn’t exist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeez Posted January 31, 2021 Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 Just now, Maesknoll Red said: I used to take part in competitions sponsored by Embassy, Woodbine and others, it didn’t make me want to smoke, anymore than the gambling sponsorship makes me want to gamble. I recall when we had Blackthorn on our shirts, again, that didn’t make me want to drink it, foul stuff (albeit head and shoulders above Strongbow). I would suggest the campaign to highlight the dangers of smoking and the price has more to do with it than advertising/ sponsorships. If sponsorship didn’t work the companies wouldn’t spend money doing it. While it didn’t make you smoke the fact you remember it so clearly means it had a positive effect of brand recognition. We now know smoking kills so does that make Embassy & Woodbine nostalgic when you consider how many people probably died of lung cancer as a result of their product placement? Is it ok if families are ruined because of a gambling addiction causing bankruptcy and suicides? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted January 31, 2021 Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 As said by someone else I assume all gambling advertising on tv will be banned along with the EFL being sponsored by sky bet, or will we just get the token gesture of banning shirt sponsorships? The television advertising is worse by far than shirt sponsorships telling you 'all you have to do is select..... to win'. If everythings removed, great serious action has then been taken, I just doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Maesknoll Red Posted January 31, 2021 Admin Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 6 minutes ago, Red Alert said: If sponsorship didn’t work the companies wouldn’t spend money doing it. While it didn’t make you smoke the fact you remember it so clearly means it had a positive effect of brand recognition. We now know smoking kills so does that make Embassy & Woodbine nostalgic when you consider how many people probably died of lung cancer as a result of their product placement? Is it ok if families are ruined because of a gambling addiction causing bankruptcy and suicides? The memories of those big competitions do invoke nostalgic thoughts and the level of sponsorship has never been replaced. I would say from the smokers I have known over the years (loads in my youth, not many now) they would stick to their brand pretty religiously, so the advertising wasn’t really successful at getting smokers to switch brands. Do you think drink sponsors should be banned? Anything else that could cause problems, should that go the same way? If something is legal to do, then I’m not so convinced the suppliers of it shouldn’t be able to use the same tools as any other business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveybadger Posted January 31, 2021 Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 5 hours ago, Tinmans Love Child said: To be fair if it doesn’t work then why do the gambling companies bother with sponsorship? The drop in cigarette advertising has helped to reduce smoking levels, so I think the same would happen with gambling so this ban is good Indeed. The bodies quoted in this article are the experts so I’d be inclined to listen to them: https://amp.theguardian.com/society/2018/sep/05/premier-league-betting-sponsors-ignore-plight-of-uk-gambling-addicts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReds Posted January 31, 2021 Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 16 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: I don’t care about what’s next. I care that gambling sponsorship is banned. Good for you that advertising doesn’t make you want to do it. Obviously not everyone is like that or advertising wouldn’t exist The same people will gamble regardless of what sponsor is on a shirt if they want to. Do you think punters with or without a gambling problem are suddenly going to have a bet with Mansion bet because a City player runs out from the tunnel? All the advertising does is keep their name out there and relevant, so a punter will have that in their minds when they are going to have a gamble. All Mansion bet are doing is taking away a few punters from the other bookies. If you want to help curb problem gamblers, it is TV advertising that needs ending first and not a shirt sponsor. Impulse gambling is huge, and when the likes of Ray Winstone at HT is banging on about something people will log on and bet there and then. That is what needs to stop, as the chasing of losses begins straight after that bet has lost for many, and it is a slipper slope to go down. The biggest gambling problem is online fruit machines and online casinos, quick games and addictive, which means quicker and bigger losses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted January 31, 2021 Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 37 minutes ago, Maesknoll Red said: What next, drink? Been down that road already - quite a few years ago tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted January 31, 2021 Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 15 minutes ago, TheReds said: The same people will gamble regardless of what sponsor is on a shirt if they want to. Do you think punters with or without a gambling problem are suddenly going to have a bet with Mansion bet because a City player runs out from the tunnel? All the advertising does is keep their name out there and relevant, so a punter will have that in their minds when they are going to have a gamble. All Mansion bet are doing is taking away a few punters from the other bookies. If you want to help curb problem gamblers, it is TV advertising that needs ending first and not a shirt sponsor. Impulse gambling is huge, and when the likes of Ray Winstone at HT is banging on about something people will log on and bet there and then. That is what needs to stop, as the chasing of losses begins straight after that bet has lost for many, and it is a slipper slope to go down. The biggest gambling problem is online fruit machines and online casinos, quick games and addictive, which means quicker and bigger losses. I think I said I want all gambling sponsorship banned. Not just shirt sponsorship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prinny Posted January 31, 2021 Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 Just now, And Its Smith said: I think I said I want all gambling sponsorship banned. Not just shirt sponsorship. Do you want gambling banned? Because it's the act that causes issues not the advertising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dman_Red Posted January 31, 2021 Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 I'm torn on this issue because I'm very much in agreement with @TheReds view that people need to ultimately be responsible for their own actions. However, after having seen the effects of gambling, it does cause major issues for some and as others have pointed out it can spiral very quickly as opposed to other addictions. (I'm not downplaying other vices, I just know more about this one). If we were to ban betting advertising, those who still want to gamble can. The option will still be there, it's still only a click away, but it won't be in your face and could help vulnerable people manage their addiction. I don't have an issue with the shirt sponsorship really, it's the interactive adverts, bet now, odds boost, TalkSport telling you the odds as they commentate on the game..."a £25 pre match bet on Man City could be cashed out for £41 now". Making it all sound easy. I also think there is probably a link between betting and the abuse that players receive on social media. If someone's put a significant amount (to them) on a team to win, player to score or even a player to have a shot on target and that outcome doesn't materialise, it's so easy to logon and vent your frustration directly at that individual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted January 31, 2021 Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 10 minutes ago, Prinny said: Do you want gambling banned? Because it's the act that causes issues not the advertising. Yes please. Cheers for sorting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReds Posted January 31, 2021 Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 Ban something where the very high majority of people can have a flutter and some enjoyment? Bizarre imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prinny Posted January 31, 2021 Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: Yes please. Cheers for sorting How do you feel about supporting a club that is taking money to promote gambling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted January 31, 2021 Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, TheReds said: Ban something where the very high majority of people can have a flutter and some enjoyment? Bizarre imo. I was being flippant as was the person who I replied too, I assume Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Maesknoll Red Posted January 31, 2021 Admin Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 13 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: Yes please. Cheers for sorting It would just go underground as it used to be. No regulation at all, I’m sure that would help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted January 31, 2021 Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 Just now, Prinny said: How do you feel about supporting a club that is taking money to promote gambling? I don’t like their decision to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prinny Posted January 31, 2021 Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, Maesknoll Red said: It would just go underground as it used to be. No regulation at all, I’m sure that would help. Regulation is the actual answer, not banning everything that hurts someone. Because there's a long list of stuff you have to ban to stop people destroying their own and others lives. Betting can definitely be better regulated. Betting companies can definitely be less predatory. Prohibition... worked... right... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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