The Bard Posted April 28, 2021 Report Share Posted April 28, 2021 Is Nige going to be our Director of Football? Our current situation has similarities to when Bristol Rugby sacked Andy Robinson. Mark Tainton did the job for the rest of the season before moving into a CEO type role with Pat Lam as director of Rugby. Lam still coaches and picks the team with a head coach and other specialist coaches under him. Early on Nige said he'd met Pat Lam and Mark Tainton and looked round the rugby training entre. As this model clearly works in Rugby perhaps it is at least influencing our future. Comparing the S & C depts would have been all Nige needed to decide to get rid of Rolls. Perhaps a recently retired player will get the coaches job that Nige trusts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted April 28, 2021 Report Share Posted April 28, 2021 1 minute ago, The Bard said: Is Nige going to be our Director of Football? Our current situation has similarities to when Bristol Rugby sacked Andy Robinson. Mark Tainton did the job for the rest of the season before moving into a CEO type role with Pat Lam as director of Rugby. Lam still coaches and picks the team with a head coach and other specialist coaches under him. Early on Nige said he'd met Pat Lam and Mark Tainton and looked round the rugby training entre. As this model clearly works in Rugby perhaps it is at least influencing our future. Comparing the S & C depts would have been all Nige needed to decide to get rid of Rolls. Perhaps a recently retired player will get the coaches job that Nige trusts? It's an interesting thought, he seems to be looking at the whole set up. I guess it will depend on whether he feels the work required behind the scenes is so great that it will detract from first team Manager/HC duties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted April 28, 2021 Report Share Posted April 28, 2021 I think Pearson has previously said he’s not one to enjoy engaging with Agents. I don’t think he’d want to be in a role where that’s a bulk of his remit. I do think we’ll be looking at a new ‘senior’, whether that be CEO, DOF, whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted April 28, 2021 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2021 1 minute ago, Port Said Red said: It's an interesting thought, he seems to be looking at the whole set up. I guess it will depend on whether he feels the work required behind the scenes is so great that it will detract from first team Manager/HC duties. Good point. Or maybe he's thinking he can run things at distance and be more secure in his role? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted April 28, 2021 Report Share Posted April 28, 2021 1 minute ago, Harry said: I think Pearson has previously said he’s not one to enjoy engaging with Agents. I don’t think he’d want to be in a role where that’s a bulk of his remit. I do think we’ll be looking at a new ‘senior’, whether that be CEO, DOF, whatever. The two things should be separate shouldn't they Harry? CEO or COO to handle financial affairs, coordination with the Stadium activities etc and DOF deals with all things football, Failand etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted April 28, 2021 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2021 Just now, Harry said: I think Pearson has previously said he’s not one to enjoy engaging with Agents. I don’t think he’d want to be in a role where that’s a bulk of his remit. I do think we’ll be looking at a new ‘senior’, whether that be CEO, DOF, whatever. What I'm thinking is yes a CEO like Tainton to be appointed who does all the financials etc. Nige as Director of Football gives him a bit more clout than being a manager /hc. Greater degree of permanence and with a grip on the wider culture of the club which we all know has to drastically change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted April 28, 2021 Report Share Posted April 28, 2021 Can't see it myself. NP surely would be the Manager with a DOF that he trusts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted April 28, 2021 Report Share Posted April 28, 2021 I always sound like a broken record in these threads but the Directors of Football at successful clubs tend to be people who have never been managers and who are specialist Directors of Football. Barcelona, Man City and Bayern, for example, all have Directors of Football who do not have backgrounds as managers. They are very different roles. Appointing a manager as a Director of Football means you've got a Director of Football who wants to tell the manager how to do their job and a manager who has constantly got Nigel Pearson waiting in the wings to steal your job if things go wrong. I'd rather we appointed a Director of Football as a Director of Football. Not a manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted April 28, 2021 Report Share Posted April 28, 2021 26 minutes ago, The Bard said: What I'm thinking is yes a CEO like Tainton to be appointed who does all the financials etc. Nige as Director of Football gives him a bit more clout than being a manager /hc. Greater degree of permanence and with a grip on the wider culture of the club which we all know has to drastically change. I just don’t see that as Pearson’s skill set. As a DoF he’d have to be in charge of recruitment, scouting, performance analysis etc etc. I think his skill set is the man-management piece. I don’t know if he’d have the first clue where to start if he’d suddenly in charge of the scouting network, analysis team etc. Yes, he should have a remit which includes having people in those positions that HE wants and can work with, but I just don’t see it as his skill set. Most likely we appoint a CEO who runs the financials and off field personnel depts etc, and then a Head of Recruitment/Chief Scout. With Pearson in charge of the playing side but with a coach employed whom HE wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted April 28, 2021 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2021 My point is slightly lost. Pat Lam is Director of Rugby putting him unequivocally in charge of everything. He picks the team , coaches etc. Everything is under him. I can see something similar with Nige which seems unusual in football. It's interesting comparing the 2 set ups in the sports. They will probably end up being very similar but the job titles different which is entirely about attitudes around culture and social class. Particularly around the words manager and director. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted April 28, 2021 Report Share Posted April 28, 2021 54 minutes ago, Harry said: I think Pearson has previously said he’s not one to enjoy engaging with Agents. I suspect that agents might not enjoy engaging with Pearson! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted April 28, 2021 Report Share Posted April 28, 2021 24 minutes ago, Harry said: I just don’t see that as Pearson’s skill set. As a DoF he’d have to be in charge of recruitment, scouting, performance analysis etc etc. I think his skill set is the man-management piece. I don’t know if he’d have the first clue where to start if he’d suddenly in charge of the scouting network, analysis team etc. Yes, he should have a remit which includes having people in those positions that HE wants and can work with, but I just don’t see it as his skill set. Most likely we appoint a CEO who runs the financials and off field personnel depts etc, and then a Head of Recruitment/Chief Scout. With Pearson in charge of the playing side but with a coach employed whom HE wants. See, this is some of the problem. People seem to have this notion that when ex players become managers they all of a suddenly become experts in all aspects of running a business. Nothing is further from the truth. Let NP run team affairs and others run aspects of the club to which they are suitably qualified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted April 28, 2021 Report Share Posted April 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Harry said: I think Pearson has previously said he’s not one to enjoy engaging with Agents. I don’t think he’d want to be in a role where that’s a bulk of his remit. I do think we’ll be looking at a new ‘senior’, whether that be CEO, DOF, whatever. I agree...and I think this is why his announcement isn't happening any time soon. We'll be needing a new CEO, new assistant coaches, and scouting recruitment people. Imo NP will want his own people and way of working. If it does happen...we won't be playing 'attractive' football...more so ' Functional'. The future imo...is Functional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderInACan Posted April 28, 2021 Report Share Posted April 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, spudski said: The future imo...is Functional. Well, that's better than the shite we've been subjected to this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
42nite Posted April 28, 2021 Report Share Posted April 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, CyderInACan said: Well, that's better than the shite we've been subjected to this season True! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivorguy Posted April 28, 2021 Report Share Posted April 28, 2021 Functional sounds good after the recent shambles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted April 28, 2021 Report Share Posted April 28, 2021 19 minutes ago, spudski said: I agree...and I think this is why his announcement isn't happening any time soon. We'll be needing a new CEO, new assistant coaches, and scouting recruitment people. Imo NP will want his own people and way of working. If it does happen...we won't be playing 'attractive' football...more so ' Functional'. The future imo...is Functional. I don’t know about anyone else but i would be all for some ‘functional’ football! Providing that we are solid, hard to beat and the result are good then bring on functional football for a few seasons... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted April 28, 2021 Report Share Posted April 28, 2021 44 minutes ago, spudski said: I agree...and I think this is why his announcement isn't happening any time soon. We'll be needing a new CEO, new assistant coaches, and scouting recruitment people. Imo NP will want his own people and way of working. If it does happen...we won't be playing 'attractive' football...more so ' Functional'. The future imo...is Functional. I suspect that any announcement will be to introduce the admin new team etc and not just the new manager. In which case it takes time to align all aspects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted April 28, 2021 Report Share Posted April 28, 2021 4 minutes ago, BigTone said: I suspect that any announcement will be to introduce the admin new team etc and not just the new manager. In which case it takes time to align all aspects. The roof will collapse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted April 28, 2021 Report Share Posted April 28, 2021 2 hours ago, spudski said: If it does happen...we won't be playing 'attractive' football...more so ' Functional'. The future imo...is Functional. Give me Leicester City functional every day if the week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted April 28, 2021 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2021 20 minutes ago, Merrick's Marvels said: Give me Leicester City functional every day if the week. We are currently dysfunctional so a flip to the opposite is absolutely what we need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Oil Services Posted April 28, 2021 Report Share Posted April 28, 2021 2 hours ago, spudski said: The future imo...is Functional. functional 1. of or having a special activity, purpose or task 2. designed to be practical and useful, not attractive practical 1. of or concerned with the actual doing or use of something rather than with theory or ideas 2. (of an idea, plan or method) likely to succeed or be effective in real circumstances So, Bristol City under Nige, in spudski's view: likely to succeed at its special task/activity - winning football matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pezo Posted April 28, 2021 Report Share Posted April 28, 2021 3 hours ago, Harry said: I just don’t see that as Pearson’s skill set. As a DoF he’d have to be in charge of recruitment, scouting, performance analysis etc etc. I think his skill set is the man-management piece. I don’t know if he’d have the first clue where to start if he’d suddenly in charge of the scouting network, analysis team etc. Yes, he should have a remit which includes having people in those positions that HE wants and can work with, but I just don’t see it as his skill set. Most likely we appoint a CEO who runs the financials and off field personnel depts etc, and then a Head of Recruitment/Chief Scout. With Pearson in charge of the playing side but with a coach employed whom HE wants. He can always put in place "head of's" in some of those positions. He has said he doesn't like agent interaction so under this hypothetical structure I would certainly expect a head of recruitment. I would also expect a head coach and a head of analysis. This would make it similar to the model we currently have but NP in place of MA the difference being roles and responsibilities - NP would be a lot closer to the squad than MA has been. Of course it would be very Bristol City to get a quality manager and then not ask them to be a manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted April 28, 2021 Report Share Posted April 28, 2021 15 minutes ago, Moments of Pleasure said: functional 1. of or having a special activity, purpose or task 2. designed to be practical and useful, not attractive practical 1. of or concerned with the actual doing or use of something rather than with theory or ideas 2. (of an idea, plan or method) likely to succeed or be effective in real circumstances So, Bristol City under Nige, in spudski's view: likely to succeed at its special task/activity - winning football matches. In theory yes...but the reality is, other teams are doing the same thing, so you also have to find other ways to find that edge. Functional...could be seen as doing the basics well, which we haven't. Finding flair on top of that, without it being detrimental to functionality, is the recipe it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_Alligator Posted April 28, 2021 Report Share Posted April 28, 2021 I don't think Nige would want that sort of role. The longer the silence goes on the more I'm inclined to think that Nige won't be involved beyond the end of this season and that the club is now engaged in finding both a team manager and dof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted April 28, 2021 Report Share Posted April 28, 2021 Well it's all agreed now so who gives a crap one way or the other. NP on a 3 year deal. Good news ........ I hope!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_Alligator Posted April 28, 2021 Report Share Posted April 28, 2021 58 minutes ago, Red_Alligator said: I don't think Nige would want that sort of role. The longer the silence goes on the more I'm inclined to think that Nige won't be involved beyond the end of this season and that the club is now engaged in finding both a team manager and dof. Looks like i might just have forced SL's hand then!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted April 28, 2021 Report Share Posted April 28, 2021 6 hours ago, The Bard said: Is Nige going to be our Director of Football? Our current situation has similarities to when Bristol Rugby sacked Andy Robinson. Mark Tainton did the job for the rest of the season before moving into a CEO type role with Pat Lam as director of Rugby. Lam still coaches and picks the team with a head coach and other specialist coaches under him. Early on Nige said he'd met Pat Lam and Mark Tainton and looked round the rugby training entre. As this model clearly works in Rugby perhaps it is at least influencing our future. Comparing the S & C depts would have been all Nige needed to decide to get rid of Rolls. Perhaps a recently retired player will get the coaches job that Nige trusts? On the basis that Pat Lam was initially employed as Head Coach. I cannot remember exactly how long it was before he was made Director of Rugby but at least 18 months I think. In which case, it will probably be a case of walk before run for NP. His main job at present is to repair the playing squad so hands on manager is the best way to start. Also, in my experience in industry, it is sensible not to make too many changes at once. While we may have 13 players out of contract, it is probable that we recruit only 5 or 6 and use the young ones in a building season. So maybe that is why NP or SL are not rushing to send Simpson and Downing packing now as coaching is to be done how he NP dictates. Could still mean he brings in another of his own. Whatever happens now, it will be a season of repair and build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted April 28, 2021 Report Share Posted April 28, 2021 6 hours ago, The Bard said: My point is slightly lost. Pat Lam is Director of Rugby putting him unequivocally in charge of everything. He picks the team , coaches etc. Everything is under him. I can see something similar with Nige which seems unusual in football. It's interesting comparing the 2 set ups in the sports. They will probably end up being very similar but the job titles different which is entirely about attitudes around culture and social class. Particularly around the words manager and director. I get what you’re saying. Too much made of how other clubs’ structure and how they have their reporting lines. It’s not so long ago that most functions, scouting, recruitment, etc reported into the “football manager”, and that person still picked the team, coached the players, was responsible on match day etc. If you structure things right and recruit right, whilst getting accountability right, you can do it however you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted April 29, 2021 Report Share Posted April 29, 2021 On 28/04/2021 at 13:17, spudski said: I agree...and I think this is why his announcement isn't happening any time soon. We'll be needing a new CEO, new assistant coaches, and scouting recruitment people. Imo NP will want his own people and way of working. If it does happen...we won't be playing 'attractive' football...more so ' Functional'. The future imo...is Functional. NP's style of play can be a bit better than that IMO. It's not Bielsa or Brentford of last season or Norwich but his Leicester side were quite positive. The year they won this League, think they were. I remember watching MOTD when they made their great escape the year before the title. Last 9 games they seemed to blitz sides, especially at home. Weren't averse to early goals, and it looked quite high octane- fed off a fairly noisy crowd, who in turn fed off a side with a decent tempo. Also seem to recall they were quite unkucky to be bottom anyway based on average performance level. What do you think @Ostrich can Pearsonball be quite high octane or is it more as described above, likely to be functional? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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