cidercity1987 Posted May 22, 2021 Report Share Posted May 22, 2021 16 minutes ago, Banned User said: I know who is the biggest tosser between Johnson and Kenny. It ain't our Lee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tin Posted May 22, 2021 Report Share Posted May 22, 2021 13 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said: Warnock had five promotions in his first nine seasons as a manager ... yep, I know it’s not relevant, but it makes the “Colin” brigade mad to realise how good he really is ... My point was more about LJ achieving nothing as a player under anyone else but his old man’s management, and the fact he’s achieving nothing in management. I doubt he ever will, but as long we’re well shot of him I don’t care what he does or doesn’t do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddoh Posted May 22, 2021 Report Share Posted May 22, 2021 2 hours ago, Fordy62 said: To be fair I think it says a lot about Johnson. He rubs people up the wrong way with his bollocks and that’s ignoring his wastefulness of resources. think that is probably against the Law, do your Job and lock him up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTonyTony Posted May 22, 2021 Report Share Posted May 22, 2021 1 hour ago, cidered abroad said: All I will say is that Donald Duck could manage to get Sunderland promoted from the Third Division with attendance's around 25 to 30,000. That’s evidentially total nonsense. They have had 4/5 managers since being in League 1. You are clearly anti LJ and that’s fair enough but don’t make things up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrongagain Posted May 22, 2021 Report Share Posted May 22, 2021 Never an LJ. fan as player or head coach, but success still eludes the pretender - had his best chance yet to add promotion to his CV and he bottled it! Time to retire and link up with Cantona - imagine the quotes they could come up with! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted May 22, 2021 Report Share Posted May 22, 2021 1 hour ago, sinenomine said: I think you know (and have admitted yourself in the past, IIRC) that you are biased, because you do not like him. The level of reaction to Johnson is irrational from a vocal section of otib - and I can't agree that reflects on Johnson at all. FWIW, my opinion of him isn't particularly strong in either direction. Your reaction to criticism of him would say otherwise though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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grifty Posted May 22, 2021 Report Share Posted May 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: For someone who hates LJ, you don't half spend a lot of time looking for things about him on the internet and intentionally watching interviews to get angry to. Very strange behaviour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted May 22, 2021 Report Share Posted May 22, 2021 1 hour ago, tin said: My point was more about LJ achieving nothing as a player under anyone else but his old man’s management, and the fact he’s achieving nothing in management. I doubt he ever will, but as long we’re well shot of him I don’t care what he does or doesn’t do. Your post said ‘eight seasons as a head coach and zero promotions’ - no mention of his playing career Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Junkie Posted May 22, 2021 Report Share Posted May 22, 2021 16 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: Is there one with subtitles please? I'm not sure if they were having a go at him or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpexile Posted May 22, 2021 Report Share Posted May 22, 2021 1 hour ago, BS3_RED said: I think you have pretty much summed my view on LJ up. Fraud of a manager who stole a living from BCFC because SL is shocking when it comes to picking managers, Until now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukneil Posted May 22, 2021 Report Share Posted May 22, 2021 40 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: I think people dislike the nepotism that has blighted his career. Out of interest, I wonder what percentage of his professional starts were made under Gary? The same is true for the majority of his managerial career - being offered opportunities not befitting his skill level. Then throw in the utter bullshit he talks, the fact he replaced someone much more deserving of the backing LJ got and then the comparative level of resources he was given by uncle Steve just all creates a perfect storm of bitterness. And he just won’t learn. Same old bullshit “we’re a great big shark and we go round biting people.” Humility is a great thing. LJ has absolutely none. He has very few redeeming traits to counteract the ones that make him a bit of a ****. So that’s why I wanted him to lose today. But don't you have to go out of your way to hear or read this "same old bullshit"? Sunderland are not front page headlines on any website bar their own. So when you or anybody else says they get ticked off by his Johnsonisms, or make a comment such as 'there we go, he said it, "we go again"', why not just ignore his interview, or the bit in the match report that covers post-match comments from the managers if it really winds you up that much? Having said all that I did have a bit of a smirk when I saw the result, but more because Sunderland were knocked out by a club that are tiny by comparison, no disrespect intended. Certainly don't care what their manager has to say about the matter. To summarise my long winded post, ignore the things or people that irritate you and spend more time on the things or people you enjoy. Spread positivity, be happy I took my own advice on Mr Trump. Now I have way more time to look at cars and porn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted May 22, 2021 Report Share Posted May 22, 2021 Johnson continues to trigger city fans. Very weird if you ask me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpexile Posted May 22, 2021 Report Share Posted May 22, 2021 5 minutes ago, ukneil said: To summarise my long winded post, ignore the things or people that irritate you and spend more time on the things or people you enjoy. Spread positivity, be happy . I took my own advice on Mr Trump. Now I have way more time to look at cars and Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted May 22, 2021 Report Share Posted May 22, 2021 2 hours ago, stephenkibby. said: Oh no now you've done it Brought Warnock up again. You hadn't mentioned him for a day or two. Haha! The last time I mentioned him in a post was about three weeks ago in the first week of May and before that it was on March 5th ... so, I wouldn’t open with that gag in your comedy routine, maybe bury it somewhere in the middle of your set ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted May 22, 2021 Report Share Posted May 22, 2021 Its a thin line between love and hate. The opposite of love is indifference...I’m indifferent to LJ. Glad Sunderland lost mind you, but I would have been anyway unless Steve Cotterill (blessings be upon him) was manager! How we swapped SC who barely got a ******* thing from SL, for Lee Ill piss your money away Johnson I will never never know....However I think SL has seen the light, regarding pick pockets and appointments! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddoh Posted May 22, 2021 Report Share Posted May 22, 2021 15 minutes ago, REDOXO said: Its a thin line between love and hate. The opposite of love is indifference...I’m indifferent to LJ. Glad Sunderland lost mind you, but I would have been anyway unless Steve Cotterill (blessings be upon him) was manager! How we swapped SC who barely got a ******* thing from SL, for Lee Ill piss your money away Johnson I will never never know....However I think SL has seen the light, regarding pick pockets and appointments! Karma SC right time LJ wrong time ,shit happens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeez Posted May 22, 2021 Report Share Posted May 22, 2021 3 hours ago, sinenomine said: He rubs people up the wrong way with his bollocks @Fordy62 Surely that’s gross misconduct or a weird initiation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fgrsimon Posted May 22, 2021 Report Share Posted May 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Ska Junkie said: Is there one with subtitles please? I'm not sure if they were having a go at him or not. I caught "Charlie Wyke", "Divvy" and "**** Off"' so that gives a flavour of what was being said I think he now realises how easy he had it here though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted May 23, 2021 Report Share Posted May 23, 2021 5 hours ago, reddoh said: Karma SC right time LJ wrong time ,shit happens Not a clue. When you have sobered up let us know what you were thinking!.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olé Posted May 23, 2021 Report Share Posted May 23, 2021 7 hours ago, Fordy62 said: Looking at the state of this I'm reminded that some City fans actually used to turn their noses up in portraying other City fans as unfair and unduly negative in their criticism of LJ. This is a useful reminder that compared to the North East (and Sunderland is toxic) collectively we're actually a remarkably civilized, patient and largely passive fanbase. Let's appreciate rather than always demonise our support - relative to this we are quite a tolerant, unentitled bunch. That said, not sure I follow the great enthusiasm for this thread or the result, some people are still trying to win that argument (and if last season has taught us anything it's that there are plenty worse than LJ, his assistant for a start). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted May 23, 2021 Report Share Posted May 23, 2021 8 hours ago, Fordy62 said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted May 23, 2021 Report Share Posted May 23, 2021 Unfortunately for LJ he lives in the shadow of his father. He repeatedly tries to out do him and that’s a heavy cross to bear. He owes everything to his father. Without him he wouldn’t have had a playing career or a career in football management. It’s an unfortunate psychological hinderance.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoyalRed Posted May 23, 2021 Report Share Posted May 23, 2021 11 hours ago, RidgeRed said: Maybe because he was the focal point of a plan that promised much but failed to deliver. He’d said he wanted to return as manager one day, was undoubtedly “well-connected” here so he was given the job based on that rather than a solid record of achievement. Then we witnessed all manner of strange selections, poor game management and the dreadful nonsense he spouted. No it shouldn’t be hateful but he set himself up for this as did those running the club. Reaching the play-offs once or twice when well placed would have helped a bit. Agreed, playoffs would have been nice in that time but the one think LJ did in his time here for an unproven manager that was just given the job based on his contacts was he managed to keep us competing in the championship each season which was something we had struggled with in the past, I mean struggled with even stating in the championship. We were known as too good for league one but not good enough for the championship for a number of years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HitchinRed Posted May 23, 2021 Report Share Posted May 23, 2021 I really don’t get the quite extreme negative reaction to LJ at times. Yes, we had some pretty low moments under him, but we also had some really great times (eg our cup run). IMHO, LJ was undone by recruitment, and to this day I’m not sure how much of this blame should be apportioned between him and Ashton. However, no-one since has got any better out of this bunch of players than LJ did, and in my book, that shows that he wasn’t as bad a manager as many people think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted May 23, 2021 Report Share Posted May 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Robbored said: Unfortunately for LJ he lives in the shadow of his father. He repeatedly tries to out do him and that’s a heavy cross to bear. He owes everything to his father. Without him he wouldn’t have had a playing career or a career in football management. It’s an unfortunate psychological hinderance.. Are you... admitting that GJ achieved something worth trying to live up to? If so, that’s the biggest praise you’ve ever given him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphindevon Posted May 23, 2021 Report Share Posted May 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Robbored said: Unfortunately for LJ he lives in the shadow of his father. He repeatedly tries to out do him and that’s a heavy cross to bear. He owes everything to his father. Without him he wouldn’t have had a playing career or a career in football management. It’s an unfortunate psychological hinderance.. Hang on! This is sounding like praise for Gary..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted May 23, 2021 Report Share Posted May 23, 2021 25 minutes ago, HitchinRed said: I really don’t get the quite extreme negative reaction to LJ at times. Yes, we had some pretty low moments under him, but we also had some really great times (eg our cup run). IMHO, LJ was undone by recruitment, and to this day I’m not sure how much of this blame should be apportioned between him and Ashton. However, no-one since has got any better out of this bunch of players than LJ did, and in my book, that shows that he wasn’t as bad a manager as many people think. Agreed. It was right for him to go, and I’m confident Pearson is the best man for the job, but I don’t remember us being as consistently poor under Johnson (even in the losing run) as we’ve been this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted May 23, 2021 Report Share Posted May 23, 2021 17 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: Are you... admitting that GJ achieved something worth trying to live up to? If so, that’s the biggest praise you’ve ever given him! Not in the slightest am I praising GJ. The guy was and is a one trick pony and by using that trick managed several lower league promotions which is something LJ has never achieved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted May 23, 2021 Report Share Posted May 23, 2021 42 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: Agreed. It was right for him to go, and I’m confident Pearson is the best man for the job, but I don’t remember us being as consistently poor under Johnson (even in the losing run) as we’ve been this season. I don't want to bang on about how I ended up feeling about LJ, IMO he should have gone 18 months earlier. It was Johnson that set our awful style and type of performance going in the first place. We never had a regular shape or style of play and he let us wander into one of the worst sides to watch in my lifetime. That simply continued under Holden. He tried to switch it but being an inexperienced manager, with added Plague and unprecedented injury levels , the job was too much. Yes it was under Johnson I also saw some of the best football ever, but it's debatable whether he planned that . It may be good that there will so much change. Nige has a big job, but we should see 4/5 new first team players, that with a full pre season I hope will be enough to bring a complete attitude change. We need better movement, to improve our passing game and become better with the ball. All things that LJ let slide. I look forward to the new season with hope and more than a little apprehension . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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