Dolman_Stand

See you in August Bakes

3 hours ago, Sir Geoff said:

Burned what little there is of his reputation during one of his earlier job interviews when he was asked about specific players in the squad and what formation he would play. He couldn't actually name any of the players !!! (not exactly well prepared). This was from everyone's favourite Talk Sport co host Simon Jordan.

I listened to that one, he also wanted to take Southend on a pre season tour of Italy when they were clearly cash strapped. Just seems like he is totally out of touch with reality particularly when it comes to lower league football. 

Simplistically it's because we are a better team playing better and more effective football. The stats follow the performances not the other way around.

25 minutes ago, YorkshireSection said:

There's only one Jamie Cureton, packet of sweets and a cute little smile Curetons a ******* paedophile! PAEDO, PAEDO, PAEDO!

You're going home in a Bristol Ambulance!

In the park, in the park, You're gonna get you're ******* head kicked in in the park.

C C CSF

When I was young I had no sense I bought a flute for 50 pence.

The only tune that I could pay was **** the pope and IRA.

Forgot about that one, didn't we try signing him at one point after he'd left Rovers? Wonder why he thought better of it!

"Shanghai on a Tuesday night" was a shortlived favourite

What's that coming over the hill, is it Showunmi?!

We're Bristol City we always believe

Give me a C(eeeeeee)

Ohhhhhh Bassoooooo

Marvin Elliotts was simple but fun

Sign on with a pen in your hand to the tune of YNWA

On 23/09/2021 at 14:34, Dolman_Stand said:

They myth that AJ fought a washed up Klitschko makes me laugh, Fury beat him only 18months before and he was supposedly in his prime at that point and took very little punishment so to calim he was over the hill by the time Wembley happened is laughable.

AJ wins comfortably for me on Saturday, Usyk hasn't shown anything at Heavyweight that makes me think he will be able to hurt Joshua, the common thinking from pundits is that Usyk will be able to dance rings around AJ and win on points but he never managed that against Chisora who is levels below. AJ wins either by UD or Stoppage.

 

Told you so

Cracking game of football, can't remember the last time I said that about a home game. Deserved to be level when Palmer scored although in fairness they should have won it with the chances they had afterwards.

Joe Williams was superb when he came on, a midfield 3 if him, James and Massengo would be unreal.

3 hours ago, iamalagerdrinker said:

Don't suppose anyone is getting the error saying user not logged in? I would contact the email but i'm using it via VPN and i'm not sure where they stand on that

Keep refreshing with F5, I just had to do it 10 times and it let me in.

1 hour ago, Maltshoveller said:

No chance will AJ win on points

He KOs Usyk or gets out boxed

That is unless the judges have been paid off But that only happens in the USA not the UK!!!!!!

Usyk never schooled Chisora and although he won that fight it was closer than it should have been for a supposed lb for lb great. If Joshua can hurt him whenever they exchange early his confidence will drop and it may end up being a survival job.

2 hours ago, joe jordans teeth said:

It’s only a myth because Fury keeps saying it,boxing fans know the truth but the fury fan club lap it up,the only half decent heavyweight Usyk could beat is Wilder because he has the head movement to make wilders windmills miss,as for AJ or Fury not a chance 

Think he gives Whyte a decent fight too albeit the power may be too much for him, Ruiz and that sort of level would struggle with him IMO.

17 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Wouldn't say that at all. Fury gave him the run around in the fight before without really hurting him, but other than that he fought the same Klitschko that had bossed the heavyweight division for over 10 years previous. He was old and nearing retirement but Joshua put him straight into retirement by giving him a beating. Remember there was talk of a rematch but no way did Wlad want anymore of that punishment. Wlad did of course have an opportunity to finish Joshua off in round 6 but I don't think it had anything to do with any decline or age that he didn't. It was just Wlad just being his usual cautious self.

I'd agree AJ is certainly favourite based on size, power, and experience too.

The latest BBC Boxing pod with Bunce speaking to Chisora is worth a listen. Delboy giving his insight into fighting Usyk. 

They myth that AJ fought a washed up Klitschko makes me laugh, Fury beat him only 18months before and he was supposedly in his prime at that point and took very little punishment so to calim he was over the hill by the time Wembley happened is laughable.

AJ wins comfortably for me on Saturday, Usyk hasn't shown anything at Heavyweight that makes me think he will be able to hurt Joshua, the common thinking from pundits is that Usyk will be able to dance rings around AJ and win on points but he never managed that against Chisora who is levels below. AJ wins either by UD or Stoppage.

Not sure if it's been posted already but Wycombe looking at legal action now claiming they are down £15m to 20m from not being a Championship club this season.

I've defended him on here plenty and still don't think he was the anti Christ he's made out to be in relation to his time here........but........that video is beyond cringeworthy.

4 minutes ago, Marco the red said:

Cheats.

And they've been caught and will be sanctioned, I wouldn't want to see any club go bust personally as no fan deserves to lose their club (even Rovers)

2 minutes ago, Marco the red said:

Hope they go bust.

Why?

So they basically have one foot in League Two for the 23/24 season, what an absolute shambles that a club as well supported and significant as Derby can find themselves in that situation. I hope this only further highlights what a fantastic owner we have in Steve Lansdown.

1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

I think you are right to raise / debate what you have above, it ain’t black and white is it?

I will always try to present a balance in my “arguments” for and against, might not feel an even balance.  In Mark Ashton’s case, the view is grey, but imho it’s dark grey, rather than light grey.  Others may see it the other way, that’s when good discussion can be held.  I think we hit poor discussion when posters can only look at it from one side.  It is fine to disagree with the other side but try to explain why is helpful.

FWIW, we did stay within FFP, so you can rightly argue that he only spent what he brought in.  My side of this debate is that with a diminishing squad in terms of asset value, the ability to sell players to cover the costs was trending towards coming to a head.  Covid has sped that up, Covid is not the root cause, “reckless” spending is the root cause.  That spending has been the focus of mine since the window of Jan 2018. My analysis over the months since reached a conclusion that the trend did not look good.  Rising costs, less players / less value to offset costs with player sales.

I think Mark Ashton saw that happening and bailed on us (and his responsibilities too).  He rode the good times and was a busted flush here as the going began to get tough.

He’s jumped ship to a club about to ride a big wave of investment.  He’s an opportunist is a polite way of putting it.

Just to follow up on your point RW this summer’s signing - the reason Nige has spent a few quid on transfers is because:

• he’s cut the wage bill (Bristol Post suggesting by a third - no mean feat, I’m not sure it’s quite that high from my estimates)
• he’s cut amortisation millstone going forward by about £6m p.a for the next two seasons, and another £5.5m in 23/24

Mark Ashton loaded the accounts with future costs.  It looks great to make £25m net in player sales in the 19/20 season, but if you spend £25m on fees plus all the other associated costs, you load costs in over future years.

Under MA with LJ and DH (even though DH wasn’t given much in way of transfer funds) they retained a large playing squad at a huge cost, disproportionate to income, and therefore the only way of staying “in budget / FFP” was to sell players.

Early days indeed, but not unreasonable to say we might well be getting more for our money with Nige in charge.

You have a much better handle on this than me so I can only bow to your greater knowledge but there is no way that this "gamble" mentality wouldn't have been signed off by SL as an educated risk IMO, losing 18 months of your largest revenue stream will have obviously impacted on this and if the Webster deal was done 12 months later (i.e. after Covid hit) presumably the same quantity of players and therefore wages wouldn't have been re-invested in and the future balance sheet therefore wouldn't have been as loaded. Also could SL have agreed to it on the basis he could fund it (or account it in a cleaver way for FFP) in another way should it not work out which it now hasnt?

Also Its probably not much of an argument but even with your analysis we can't be as badly positioned as a number of other Championship clubs so its not like we were being run compartively worse than our competitors?

I suppose what I don't like about it that you've got a greater level of financial understanding and can make a case for why you believe MA was a bad CEO whereas the majority of people don't and simply abused him because he wore a suit, had a Brummy accent, spoke in "business speak" etc and act like he was the spawn of satan. We've been in far worse positions as a club in my time following yet never seen anyone who the majority of the fanbase actvely want to see fail so much.

RE Pearson's summer "spending", from your points above, I cna't imagine the wage bill wouldn't have been substantially regardless of whever was here in the summer given the current circumstances and given we look like heading towards a mid-table finish on current form we haven't really been "set back years" at all.

3 minutes ago, Akira said:

Thing is, it's being discussed still, purely because of the consequences its had on our football club. It's set us back years, so of course we're still going to discuss it, as it's one of the most important things that's happened to our club in recent years.

LJ/MA spent an absolute fortune on players, now we barely have a pot to piss in, but we've got an absolute class manager in (finally), so it's all going to be talking points still, one that I think brings in good discussions. 

Yest they did under the guidelines set out for them by SL and also on the basis that there were large transfer fee's recouped along the way to pay for it, as for our current financial standing how much of that is down to MA and how much is down to Covid is a very blurred line but we still spent more on transfer fee's than the majority of the division this summer (especially if you take out the clubs on parachute payments) so I'm not sure we are comparitively worse off than anyone else. Improved contracts are also being handed out to the likes of Scott and apparently Pring despite there not necessarily being a need to in terms of expiry dates.

I just find it all a bit strange and wearing that every time a positive performance or interview lands its instant met with "we would never have got this from LJ / MA" whereas that simply isn't true...were they perfect? Absolutely not but nothing is in life and that particular cycle had just run its course. I can't remember such vitriol and ill feeling ever being given to any other individuals in my time watching City despite us never having been a genuinely mid to upper table Championship club previously.

IMO LJ went at the right time and at that point although we were showing signs of decline and performances hadn't been fantastic for a little while the whole club wasn't broken to the point it was at the end of last season...the Holden appointment that caused the issues and should never happened, we will probably never know who drove that decision. On the flip side I don't think we have "been set back years" and with Pearson at the helm I am hopeful that by the end of this season and definetley next we will be on an upward trajectory again.

1 hour ago, Hampshire Red said:

Gamon has a very short memory or is very young. Do you remeber the Cup run, beating Man U, giving Man C a harder game than most prem clubs do and LJ taking us to the heights of the Championship when we expected to win every game? We have gone downhill since then and no single coach, player (nor MA) is to'blame' for that. We all know SL found MA to be the first person in football he could really trust and in your personal world one should think about that.

Most people on here seem happy to criticise MAand for some reason are happy to ignore and forget the good players he brought in and the great deals he did selling players for good money to fit the business model. Complaining about an ex boss at the club has become one of the biggest yawns on here. Let's get this terrible home run under NP sorted out before forgetting where we were at pressing the top of the Championshi

See you tonight? CoYRS

I personally agree with most of what you say despite the many who have since derided it, regardless of whether you are for or against though I do think that as a forum we really need to move on from MA / LJ as I struggle to find many threads where either of them aren't mentioned even now.

Root must be so fed up watching these collapses from the other end.

Reckon Jimmy has his pads on already

11 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

Some very good points. Would just like to have seen another 20 runs this morning. Might not sound like much but would have shown better intent. 

I agree thought we were 20 runs light but if Root bats through this session and only Hameed falls at the other end then this is still on.

25 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

So far this has gone as expected. Take loss of the equation and then maybe go for it. Not surprising but still disappointing to see.  Eoin Morgan would go for it.  

Its probably the best way to play it in fairness, England couldn't win this match in the morning session but they could definately have lost it. The other thing to factor in is if we lose this match we can't win the series which is the ultimate aim whereas a draw at least keeps it alive.

Morgan also has some of the best ODI players in the world to gamble with, Root doesn't have this luxury.

Malan very lucky there, he's stuggling with that rough against Jadeja.

Hameed looking comfortable, I think as long as we are somewhere near 230 - 240 by tea with enough wickets in hand (6 at least) we will have a go at this.