Daniro

Well ... I guess we are so used to him now that he's kind of one of the family - and I agree he is a far better interviewer of the top brass than any of the half wits who interview Nige every week - but I can't stand the way he reads out tweets in that slow, deliberate scouser voice ....  as if they were actually worth hearing.   "Come.. on .. you ... reds ...says  ...  Cider'ed Sid"    "F*** the Gas, says Gas'ed Gazzer."   

but we will miss him.

2 hours ago, spudski said:

Tracing food production from third world countries is actually very hard to do. You pretty much have to look at every distributor and where it sources its production from.

What we have to remember is the majority of the world has a completely different outlook on using animals in food transport and production. 

Then you have the human Labour to take into account. 

If you looked into it, as a population in this country, we are reliant on countries to provide cheap food and clothing, products, that if we witnessed it first hand, would be appalled. Yet if you took it away, we simply wouldn't be able to economically survive, unless we changed our habits completely. And became less about consuming and wasting. 

It's not just third world. Take into account your high end quality olive oils and such like. Small ' boutique ' suppliers...with very small output. Many still use ' traditional' methods which include animals in the work force. Milling, pressing, ploughing etc etc. 

I've seen it first hand in rural Greece and Turkey. Small businesses. 

We avoid the Supermarkets because we think they are the worst, but the boutique can be just as bad if not worse, as they don't have the manual resources. 

"For all those berating horse racing...refuse to eat your food produced in such ways. Otherwise you don't have an argument. "

Thanks for your response.  I guess I was expecting you had some specific examples of food products  to avoid for those of us with newly discovered scruples about horse racing deaths, given your exhortation that we "don't have an argument" unless we do.    I'm sure we've all witnessed or at least heard about abuse of animals all over the world, including in the UK and Ireland (they've found horse meat in the great British burger not so long ago) but I'm not yet convinced by the conflation of the purported cruelty of horse racing (in particular jumping a la Grand National) with food production in less developed countries .    

38 minutes ago, spudski said:

Yes...the horses are bred to race. 

But they aren't forced to race. If a horse doesn't want to race or jump, it will refuse to do so. 

Explain to me how a horse that's unseated it's rider, and continues to jump and race without a rider, is being forced to do so. 

They want to run and jump. It's what they do in their natural environment. 

When I was with a family in a previous relationship that had horses, land and stables, the horses would run and jump in the fields. On occasion they injured themselves by just being horses. Going over on a leg and breaking it...even failing to try and jump a hedge. 

Compare that to horses being tethered and beaten to work in third world countries to transport and produce food for our western consumption. 

For all those berating horse racing...refuse to eat your food produced in such ways. Otherwise you don't have an argument. 

The argument stands, as those against horse racing will consume food produced from barbaric actions to animals, but ignore it because it's 1000s of miles away. Yet your consumption and actively participating in it, is far more harmful to animals than the very small industry of racing. 

Interesting point of view.  

Genuine question:  which food products from third world countries are you recommending anti-horse-racers should avoid?        Like you, I try to avoid stuff with crazy food miles, like blueberries from Peru and green beans from Kenya etc.  for environmental reasons and because they are often totally tasteless, but hadn't particularly factored animal welfare into my thinking.      

22 minutes ago, frenchred said:

Let's pick out one isolated incident (that should never have happened)

How do you know he was earning people money? What was the horses name?

I've only today changed my mind about horse racing, not based on the "isolated incident" that happened a few years back (even though that seems symptomatic of the heartlessness of the sport that is hidden from the public).

Seeing the video of Hill Sixteen lying dead having jumped one fence has convinced me it's not acceptable.   Further research has consolidated my thinking.  Three horses died at Aintree.  I now realise these tragedies are hidden from the public because of the gambling money involved.   The way ITV just deleted the first jump from their detailed replay of the race demonstrates the problem.   I have been to the races a few times in the past and admit it was fun at the time, but people need to know the truth about what really goes on.   You don't have to Google long to see for yourself.

1 hour ago, frenchred said:

Well I'll go against the grain, I love horse racing!

Everything about it is geared to a great event whether it be with family or friends 

The horses live the best life imaginable, get the best food, exercise and vets money can buy, when they retire they aren't just discarded as many think 

Go visit some racing stables if your not convinced, they are very open and encouraging of people taking an interest and widening the capabilities of some to understand what goes on 

As with most things in the world now, anything that brings a chink of enjoyment to some that others don't agree with lots of crap will be spouted, as it is here on this thread

 

 

 

 

Perhaps a visit to Gordon Elliott's stables would be educational?

14 minutes ago, Daniro said:

hmm.

I always have a wee bet on the National and the Gold Cup - have done for years.   But I've become increasingly uneasy about the tales of  animal cruelty in racing, was horrified by that trainer smoking a cigar sitting on a dead horse a few years ago.

Today I put a tenner on  Cloudy Glen which fell at the first and I've just seen a video of it on twitter and it looks like the poor thing died.   So I think that's a sign for me to boycott horse racing from now on.   Betting is a terrible curse for so many people too and it's a shame how much advertising for gambling there is in football too.

 

Actually it was Hill Sixteen that died.

Thought it was shameful of ITV to gloss over the first fence when they did the replay as if nothing had happened.

hmm.

I always have a wee bet on the National and the Gold Cup - have done for years.   But I've become increasingly uneasy about the tales of  animal cruelty in racing, was horrified by that trainer smoking a cigar sitting on a dead horse a few years ago.

Today I put a tenner on  Cloudy Glen which fell at the first and I've just seen a video of it on twitter and it looks like the poor thing died.   So I think that's a sign for me to boycott horse racing from now on.   Betting is a terrible curse for so many people too and it's a shame how much advertising for gambling there is in football too.

2 minutes ago, robinforlife2 said:

Why did Weimann not let that go for a corner?

He's been very quiet again.  I forgot he was still on the pitch

14 minutes ago, Lanterne Rouge said:

Bournemouth winning at Spurs. I`m beginning to hope they do stay up just for the extra dosh from Antoine.

How many minutes has Antoine actually played for Bmouth so far?

6 minutes ago, tin said:

Our kits are cheap and nasty now. Thanks, JL

I agree.  Nige always looked pretty sharp in the last kit.   Looks like something out of Primark now

Weiman's been having a right go at the ref.  Even after the half time whistle.

Nige looks terrible in that kit!   Really cheap and nasty.

1 minute ago, Psychopomp said:

What a great game to watch 

don't rub it in - i can't find any way of watching it!

2 minutes ago, mozo said:

I might be jinxing it but this has been one of our best performances so far this season 

i was just about to sy that's the sort of thing the Robins TC commentator says before the other team scores!

4 minutes ago, EstoniaTallinnRed said:

https://hesgoaltv.me/hd1.html

any tips for getting this to work?  I keep getting "stream is off-line"  

ta

2 hours ago, PHILINFRANCE said:

Did anybody try today's WORDLE?

Wordle 659 6/6

 

it's not an English word in my book - blooming Americans ruin everything

https://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/sport/23431585.ipswich-town-latest-accounts-show-huge-investment-owners/

Hurtling towards adversity and spending a blooming fortune on the way!

Well I admire those of you who are more forgiving, but I really resent the rugger boogers mashing up our pitch the evening before we have a game.   I know it's Lansdown's property but some of us have been watching football on that hallowed stretch of land for many many decades and it's painful to see footballers struggling on a surface cut to shreds by knuckle headed egg chasers.   

2 hours ago, maxjak said:

A very frustrating game.........but although i am in danger of being over pedantic.........when i Hear NP state that the goal we conceded from a set piece "was a lesson learnt", it does make me wonder how many lessons do we  need     until we learn?   While appreciating the injury problems evident at the back this season, it was still a really poor goal to concede?  But then again, I guess if the forwards had done THEIR job..........it would have been a mere consolation?

You'd think the lesson "Don't give their big striker a free header from free kicks" would have been learned a long time ago

1 minute ago, bexhill reds said:

Agreed, Wells constantly offside and Wiemann just off his game. They’ve been like that for a while.

Weimann seemed to have none of his energy or spark - seemed tired out - and Wells just was never in the right place at the right time,

Reading are a terrible team - schoolboy mistakes throughout - almost comical at times and yet we fail to beat them.     Really disappointing performance.

Another terrible press conference.  You have to feel sorry for Nige having to face 30 minutes of pathetic questioning from what are presumably professional journalists.   I mean, surely they could prepare in advance and come up with some serious questions.   NP will engage with good questions if ever asked and his insights when he does are revealing, but here at times he just looks in disbelief.   Some of them aren't even questions, just journalists stating the blooming obvious.

34 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

 

TBH he also used a post-match press conference to say this about Brexit.

"I can’t wait to get out of it, if I’m honest. I think we’ll be far better out of the bloody thing. In every aspect. Football-wise as well, absolutely. To hell with the rest of the world"

I don't think he and I would get on. 

I posted his pre match interview on this thread earlier and I must admit I kind of warmed to him watching it.   He does seem like a lovely old fella with a good sense of fun.    I wonder if he still thinks the same about Brexit - one of the very few if he does!

1 minute ago, AshtonRobin21 said:

How long has it been since we last scored from open play? 

Atkinson against Wigan 15 Feb

worrying that we can't seem to score - and that the last time we scored in open play was Atkinson against Wigan on four matches ago