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I'm not entirely disagreeing with you here, but unfortunately if you stopped all NH racing tomorrow you'd have more glue than you knew what to do with. A large proportion of these horses would be destroyed.

That's complete horseshit, they did a really good job, and were polite and good humoured throughout. Unbelievably patient with the kiddies who apparently can't cope with not sitting with their chums, and practically held their little hands to help them find their correct seats.

It was quite good fun once things calmed down, but my wife probably won't go on Saturday because quite frankly she was scared and got knocked around a bit. Nothing malicious, just an inevitability of the crush going on. We probably would have left before kick off, but there was no way out and it was safer to stay put. I saw many parents with little kids leaving as they saw the situation develop, quite understandably, and I doubt they'll risk it this weekend either. We can't allow genuine supporters who through no fault of their own, are being forced to make a decision whether to attend or not purely due to the fact they need to protect their family. That's unacceptable.

Ok for a bit of context, firstly , I loved the atmosphere, had a season ticket in Block A for years, initially due to the fact it had the more vocal fans in it, which sadly became diluted over the years. However it was massively over capacity today which is obviously unsafe if allowed to continue, as mentioned above many season ticket holders couldn't access their seats, and due to the standing throughout the game many people who aren't able to stand or are vertically compromised such as my missus couldn't see. Now when this problem arises in away games the solution put forward is to move to the front, but this was frankly not possible. What did surprise me was how polite my pubescent little friends were, so credit to them there, but if block A is to be reclaimed as a singing section these problems need sorting out.

I've got no issues with how we played Dave and any argument over whether we looked like scoring or not is completely subjective. Fact is we didn't score. From the amount of possession we had, positions we found ourselves in and chances created , we should have done. Tanner's strike was unlucky, but everything else was down to poor finishing, poor choice or poor execution of the final ball. I don't have a solution it's just my opinion.

2 great chances, centre of the goal 10 yds out and we fail to hit the target, and a wonderstrike from Tanner. I'd throw in a low cross from Sykes that somehow Wells failed to connect with. Tanners effort was the sort you'll see once a season, and the other three didn't test the keeper. I stand by what I said. We didn't look like scoring.

Never looked like scoring. And bringing on Semenyo and Martin made it even less likely. Forget how many cross's were quoted first half but it was a lot. All comfortably cleared. Another single defensive error , albeit offside and the game was over.

No worries, thought I was creating an argument I wasn't really looking for . Had a soft spot for old Queenie.

Yep, had plans for this, and as opposed to any weekend postponements, no chance of this being rearranged. Huge shame Harry

I'm not. I was referring to the official EFL statement on this matter as per Fev's post earlier. Unless I misread it the EFL stated they were awaiting the guidelines

Official mourning guidance??? I’m sorry but isn’t that up to the individual. I don’t need guidance on how to pay my respects.

I've been thinking about changing mine for years because it's rubbish. Just can't be bothered.

Yup couple of drinks and I'll deny it tomorrow, but definitely got something in my eye right now.

Not planning to get into a debate on this, but I'm a Clinical Lead running 12 hr sessions at various locations and I can promise you this is true.

Unless I'm mistaken the Covid pass being used still only requires you to be double jabbed. Which renders it fairly pointless, as two jabs gives you very little protection against the Omicron. Worth considering.

Stick to football Harry, you're a good read when you do that. Or link us to another questionable piece of research demonstrating this possibility. Or as a medic I'd ask you not to make such ignorant,, offensive assumptions on our behalf

Why do you find that scary? The majority of the population is vaccinated, and most that aren’t are in the younger age group and therefore less likely to suffer severe illness. If 100% of the population was vaccinated, then 100% of deaths would be vaccinated individuals. That doesn’t mean the vaccine isn’t working. what should scare you is what that figure would be without the vaccine.

This of course is completely true, and would apply to any vaccine that currently exists. However, what I’m sure you’re aware of but for some reason fail to acknowledge is that the risk of both are significantly reduced.

Just send it to your wallet. Immediately accessible

Fair enough . Couldn't fail to agree. Think we we're at cross purposes.

A curiously sensitive response to something I clearly didn't say. I'm not even supporting the re-opening of stadia, simply saying if this is going to happen then we have to make our own decisions on whether we attend or not, based on how we perceive the risk and how we can individually minimise it. How that translates into 'do as much as I can as soon as I can, and bring on another lockdown' is beyond me?

Totally agree, but in terms of figures, no one will be able to provide you with a comparative number. I would suggest the risk is significantly less than going to the pub/restaurant, supermarket, using public transport or going to work. It's probably more than pitching a tent on Orkney and staying there for the next 6 months. Like many others I've given up on trying to see the logic in the contradictory advice we've been given and do my own simplistic risk assessment on my current activities. Which is what I was kind of saying in my original post. If you're uncomfortable with the situation don't go, because obviously the clubs are limited in their ability to sanitise the whole stadium.

This is seriously overcomplicating, and if you're that concerned just don't go. I think it's fair that every individual decides the amount of risk they're willing to take based on what we know, but when you agonise over the very small risk involved in washing your hands after having a piss, I'm thinking don't wash your hands then. Problem solved.

Surely it's easier than that. My wife and I both have season tickets, so if she doesn't come I can go to all the games?

Never thought it would happen, but for one game only I'm Welsh. Assuming it remains necessary. Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau, this is not gonna be easy.