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1 minute ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

My comment was a sarcastic comment because the worlds best managers do not have to have players telling them how to play. 

It's absolutely ludicrous for anyone to suggest it should be a collaborative effort. What's next, players picking the staying line up? 

That Spaniard you mention of course being Pep. 

Pep has very clear philosophies. We may see tactical tweaks within the framework of those philosophies but the philosophies do not change and would not be changed by pressure from above or by the players. 

This ultimately goes all the way back to Manning ball not being what the club wanted. Dress it up however you want, no one should have had to tell Manning that he should be playing to our strengths. That's a critical terminal error in his management. 

I don't know what a staying line is.

Football tactics are collaborative. Aptitudes v task have to be synced. Bristol City's keeper did not suddenly start making more interventions outside of his box. didn't suddenly decide himself to use differing starting positions. The player and players will be involved and asked how they feel about it. Its standard to include players in tactical alteration and this promotes responsibility and player buy in. 

15 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

Sir Alex did that too. 

But the one big difference here is that both Sir Alex and Pep have standing. Those leaders know who the boss is and they operate within that framework.

You cannot in any way try and dress this up and compare it to Pep. Those leaders would not tell Pep how to play. Now maybe from time to time they will notice something on the pitch and suggest something to Pep, but not under any circumstances would a player say to Pep "boss, I don't think we should play this possesion football that you favour" 

As we've seen with Sir Alex and Pep, if you undermine them, you're out. 

Yet here at Ashton Gate we have players having to tell the head coach "boss this is the Championship"

You have edited your post there, but if you are interested in Mr Guardiola he reveals in his book Pep Confidential one of the reasons Guardiola did not mirror football from Barcelona to Bayern was that the players would not have bought into it. Guardiola played with wingers and a centre forward due to the desire of the players to continue to do so.

Just now, W-S-M Seagull said:

Sir Alex did that too. 

But the one big difference here is that both Sir Alex and Pep have standing. Those leaders know who the boss is and they operate within that framework.

You cannot in any way try and dress this up and compare it to Pep. Those leaders would not tell Pep how to play. 

As we've seen with Sir Alex and Pep, if you undermine them, you're out. 

Yet here at Ashton Gate we have players having to tell the head coach "boss this is the Championship"

I did not compare it to Pep, I answered your point about the Worlds best. 

How do you know Mr Manning was not conducting a pretty normal session of question and answer involving senior players? Asking players what they think is not necessarily players telling the head coach what to do.

What do you think the players do in the class sessions and team meetings they have with the Head coach and coaches? Discuss team approach?

1 hour ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

Yes because all the successful teams in the world are successful because the players are telling the manager how they want to play. 

We have a chairman who admits he doesnt lead. We have a manager who doesn't lead. It's just all rather incredible. 

Discussing leadership styles can be a heavy topic, but there is a Spaniard in charge of one of the best teams in the world who involves the leaders and players into tactical decisions. 

It is democratic leadership. 

4 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Maybe I haven't worded it that well.

The recent run feels like it has more in common with our tactics under NP than a lot of Millwall at Home to West Brom Away.

I am watching Bristol City intermittently. What I see changing is spaces front to back shortening (differing shape), GK higher behind a higher backline and units pressing. This is an attempt to control space higher up the pitch.

This is different to Nigel Pearson's football. 

2 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Optimist in me says that was somewhat of a transitional phase, see what works what doesn't.

Hopefully now he knows that the pressing, intent perhaps set-up that he inherited is the best base and perhaps improve possession and control within that framework. As opposed to what we saw often between January and West Brom Away.

 How is the pressing inherited? 

12 minutes ago, BigTone said:

Is there a funding page for this ?

Exactly, my Wife

You may find something on Whitchurch Sports Junior Football clubs website. The matches ( males and females) involved Whitchurch teams v ex City and Rovers teams. 

16 hours ago, Pickle Rick said:

Has anyone had their child play in the JPL? It’s early days, but my son might get involved in it. Saturday matches instead of grassroots’ traditional Sunday is what I’m told.

Maybe the training and coaches approach might be different also?!

For those who have a son/daughter playing football in the JPL and may have previously been in grassroots, what experiences and opinions do you guys have as parents/carers? 

Any comparisons between both the JPL and grassroots?

I’m new to all this as my son will be playing matches as he enters Year 2 from September and has played for a club since he was about 3 years old.

I have had a Son play in the JPL and,  ahem I was a coach at a development centre playing in the JPL.

Opinion. It is beneficial to look at all development centres, one size, one development centre does not fit all.

Just now, Back of the Dolman said:

But has it had the effect of stopping it ? I would suggest not.

I’ve said it previously in the thread that although the player has to leave the field for the minimum 30secs and is called back on by the referee, I’m pretty sure that most teams will back themselves having been able to get back into a solid defensive unit to be able to defend for 30secs and then see their player return.

But they will of been able to have the advantage of breaking up the flow of the game, receiving tactical advice from their management and frustrating the play of their opponents.

The game should be stopped. Health and safety. The difference in pain between cramp and a muscle strain is? Not much. Really there is little difference. The difference in consequences are very different. Injury should be assessed on the pitch.

1 minute ago, Back of the Dolman said:

There isn’t always an immediate delay for a head injury, the referee still has to stop it ie. The Fabian Schaar incident that Newcastle were unhappy about.

Why the need to stop the game for cramp ? I guarantee you that if the game wasn’t stopped for it you wouldn’t see so many people going down with it.

It’s used to slow down and break up play, no need to add time for it if it can be dealt with while play continues.

I’m aware it won’t suit all situations but I’m pretty confident players won’t go down so quickly when they aren’t gaining a tactical advantage from it

There should be a immediate stoppage for a head injury. There will be occasions where it isn't. 

Cramp. Health an safety.  The part that doesn't always get applied is that the player has to leave the pitch and the player does not have to return to the pitch immediately, the ref can use their discretion till there is a break in play. This was created to cut down on feigned tactical injuries. 

21 minutes ago, Back of the Dolman said:

It could be said though that physios able to come on immediately is better for player health and safety.

No delay while play continues waiting for the ball to be kicked out or the referee to stop play.

And let’s remember this subject was brought up in respect of time wasting, I would say it’s plainly obvious when someone needs urgent attention and when it’s a case of someone going down with tactical cramp

Play does not continue for a head injury. Play can be stopped instantly if the ref thinks there is a significant/serious injury. Play is stopped for injuries to keepers.

Cramp game is stopped when ball is dead, time is added on. 

2 minutes ago, Open End Numb Legs said:

Yep, you are probably right.

Seeing as we have spider cam at a lot of grounds, could we use those support cables to have a small grabber crane a bit like those children's toy dispensers?

We could scoop up the injured player and drop them into the technical area to be treated? Game continues....

When I say drop them, not from a great height. Let's say place them instead.

I would not advise this but I have seen an injured player transported off the pitch in a wheel barrow at a AYL game. There are worlds of court cases out there. 

10 minutes ago, Open End Numb Legs said:

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As regards looking at other sports for ideas, I wonder how football would cope with a physio on the pitch whilst the game carries on if he or she was some distance from play?

Its a health and safety issue. In a fast moving mobile game. Players safety comes first. 

49 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

This is a snapshot of the incident . Is this the split second the ball hit hand or a fraction of a second after when the hand has moved after being hit ? I'd say she had a decent view.

Clear view of the arm out . Now I'd say a natural position for trying to block, but that changes when it stops the cross as he has gained an advantage.

 

 

Thats is not in the laws of the game. 

32 minutes ago, Three Lions said:

if a players brings their arms out to protect their face from a strong shot two metres way and the ball hits an arm is it a penalty?

5 minutes ago, bcfcredandwhite said:

It’s a penalty if the ball connects with your arm regardless of intent. The ‘ball to hand’ rule was scrapped years ago. 
If the ball hits the hand it’s a penalty. If it’s deemed deliberate it’s also a red card. If accidental then it’s a penalty but no card. 
Rebecca gave a penalty but no card - which indicates she knew and acknowledged it was accidental but it was still a ‘foul’ and awarded the penalty. 

The answer is no. I cheated.

IFAB rules show Rangers vs Celtic penalty was called right by Beaton | The Herald (heraldscotland.com)

17 hours ago, Alessandro said:

I bow to your superior tactical knowledge! 

I was referring more to the tactic of running the channels and looking to capitalise from that, which worked for the first two goals at least. 
 

EDIT - given we’re discussing “how good city were” vs “how bad Blackburn were” - in terms of the 5-0 win - what’s your opinion?

Opinion, as somebody who has defended Liam Manning and wrote about development, and where obvious linear improvement can be made I wouldn't place any emphasis on this game. Blackburn were startlingly poor. The first two goals came from balls that hit the opponents not channels, and opponents who were the startlingly poor. The first was a goal from rubbish chucked up the pitch. Blackburn couldn't deal with that, that was representative of the opponents performance.

Low quality was good enough to create goals. Tactics and shapes barely came into it. Good energy, decent intensity, well done, move on. 

18 minutes ago, Alessandro said:

 

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It was clearly a tactic last night and it was executed excellently - regardless of their mistakes. 

First was an out ball stuck out the exit. The second resulted from an attempted pass. 

Tactic executed excellently. Not really. 

1 minute ago, ChippenhamRed said:

As I said, I don’t necessarily agree with the decision to get rid of paper tickets. I do think the option should still be there.

But who does a cashless service discriminate against? Who has access to cash but doesn’t have a card?

I support (my employment) people who don't possess a card, find it difficult and challenging to use them. 

1 hour ago, ChippenhamRed said:

I don’t necessarily agree with the club taking away printed tickets.

But the world is constantly changing and evolving. The internet didn’t exist 30 years ago: there was a time you didn’t know how to use it, but here you are using it to converse with strangers across the globe.

Rather than throwing your toys out of the pram and punishing yourself but not buying a season ticket, why not open your mind to learning a new skill that will help you keep up with life in the 21st century - as you evidently have done previously?

And in a changing and evolving world you would hope that world would become more inclusive.

Cashless and paperless services discriminate.

Bristol City via the Robins foundation offer access to disabled people to play football. Are payments solely cashless and paperless? No. Cashless and paperless services discriminate.

1 hour ago, Roe said:

I'm not sure which of the experts it was on match of the day but one of them even suggested that the keeper should just change his own position so that he can see

 

It was Ian Wright. Dion Dublin thinks the Keeper should be losing his marker. Gary Linker thinks the rules should be changed.

Match of the day pundits opine regularly that ex pros should be a part of VAR decision making.

Gary Lineker slams Wolves VAR controversy and calls for major rule change after West Ham decision (msn.com)

26 minutes ago, SecretSam said:

Explain Doku, who's a "running with the ball" type of player?

Positional play does not exclude running with the ball. The team is playing positionally to get the ball to a position where Doku can take advantage of the opportunity created. A feature of positional play is seeking to create numerical advantage 3/4v 2 etc, and isolating opponents 1v1 - There's is the advantage for Doku.

15 hours ago, Robbored said:

From memory CLT is in simple terms is amount of information an active memory can process in a given time. It’s particularly helpful  in avoiding overloading someone who might struggle to retain info.

iirc there were/are three different types of CLT but I can’t recall what they are………

 

I may have some understanding without understanding!

Multitasking does not aid cognitive performance, it can induce stress and mental fog, and causes the brain to use energy (glucose) faster creating poorer cognitive performance.

11 minutes ago, Natchfever said:

Do you see evidence that Manning and Hogg are adopting the approach(es) outlined in your final paragraph ?

Some of Mannings interviews appear to indicate that hes frustrated players dont "get it" .

I know that BCFC from the academy up to the first team use approaches I outlined. I have had family members at BCFC in the academy, and a ex player in the U18's v Man City this week. It is basic football fundamental approach. 

Being frustrated when players don't get it is normal ... I do not think its beneficial to put that frustration in public. My brilliant coaching mentor at the FA said to me  " Look closer to home, is it their fault or yours, review what you do and assess". 

16 minutes ago, Street red said:

When was football turned into such a deep thought process it's a simple game not rocket science.

Football has always been a thought process. Football is an overtly psychological sport. We choose our mindset, to fight or flight or work hard, or not, to be open or closed, to look at challenges as exciting, or threats. Losers go for the latter.  

Understanding that we all learn differently has been part of football for decades. The tools we used were blackboards, and white boards and cones, now we have more tools and understanding to aid what we do. 

49 minutes ago, Padlad said:

Interesting regarding cognitive load. Just because you told players a game plan doesn't mean they've taken it in. Ive often wandered how coaches / managers assess if players have actually taken in and understand their roles. 

Do you know what cognitive load theory is? Although I have qualifications in psychology directly relating to football I don't.   

An answer to how do you assess? By players performances and actions, and talking to them. Frequently because of differing learning styles individuals will not have internalised all information, some will have misunderstood,  and some will take information literally as it was presented and that leads to challenges.

In any group of eleven, or twenty plus (a squad) it should be expected that people will display differing learning styles and difficulties like ADHD. 

So, in order to promote deeper understanding information needs to be in differing forms, and repeated, repetition is the key to deep learning and competency. Periodized and repetitious education on task beats episodic jumping from task to task.