BRISTOL86
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2 minutes ago, Ivorguy said:
Anyone else got an odd feeling that LJ may already be half out the door? Holden' s pre match interview sounded more like that of a Head Coach, whereas LJ's last interview almost appeared to be a 'back me with more money (not happened as far as we know re any loan coming in) or sack me'
Don't think things are too happy behind the scenes with LJ
But guess most if not all of you suspect I am seeing trouble where there isn't any
anyone know whether SL will be at tonight's game?
Haven’t seen the interviews but I think it’s pretty normal for them to be divvied up between LJ/DH/JM
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4 minutes ago, RedDave said:
Massive game tonight. Our best opportunity for an away win for a while. Can we win our first away game since Fulham last October!
If we do win then it could give the confidence to improve both our home and away performances and, looking at fixtures we could go on to get 12-14 points from our next 8 games. If we lose to an awful QPR side then where do we go from there? Especially away from home. Could end up getting 6-8 points from next 8 games.
I have never been a 'Johnson Out' fan as I am happy to see us build over time but it does feel like tonight is bigger than most games. Confidence is nearly as important as ability!
Wow is it really that long? Jeez.
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4 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:
The stats are interesting...We have indeed made the least tackles per game so far (8.3).
The team who have made 2nd least per game? Middlesborough, with 13.
Rather more worryingly though, we have also made 2nd least interceptions. I always took the view that if you don't tackle so much you press and intercept in key areas a lot more to compensate, but 6.7 of those per game, when combined with the tackles- is not good at all!
As far as I can tell we’ve adopted the ‘stand around and watch’ approach to defending so I can’t say I’m surprised!
(And still we’ll all clamour for a striker
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17 minutes ago, Esmond Million's Bung said:
Calm down it was a question, the question mark was the clue.
As I am merely speculating that the correlation between possession and chances should be higher, maybe that highlights the problem, creativity, the lack of.
Should be a great game tonight QPR have also created only one clear cut chance.
Having said all of that I would say that the Forest equaliser, Bolton's 2nd goal, Plymouth's goal and Boro's 2nd there was not a tackle in sight, that must be important?
That’s why the clear cut chances stat is nonsense. Combined 5 goals from 2 clear cut chances between us and QPR. Is there even a standard definition or is it down to someone’s personal judgement?
I think you’d probably find the same at most clubs though. In fact I’d wager the majority of goals in the whole league don’t come from ‘clear cut chances.’
Just looked at the stats of all Boro’s games to date. They’ve created 6 clear cut chances apparently and scored 11 goals.
Agree with the final paragraph, simply put we make it far too easy for teams to create chances against us because we’re piss weak as a team defensively.
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1 minute ago, Esmond Million's Bung said:
Wouldn't you expect more than 1 clear cut chance from 3 games with all of that possession?
When did I infer otherwise?
Simply stating that you’d expect a strong correlation between possession and attempts to regain it.
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9 minutes ago, Esmond Million's Bung said:
Found this from Bristolpost's Gregor McBoatface. So far this season. Number 2 is a worry.
The Robins average more possession than any other team in the Championship
Make fewest tackles per game
Make fewest fouls
Most fouled team per game
Most dribbles
Wouldn’t you expect 2) based on 1) ie if you have the most possession you’d make the least attempts to regain it? And 3) is just an inevitable outcome of 1) and 2) ?
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7 minutes ago, Esmond Million's Bung said:
It's not the defence that is the problem IMHO, it's the midfield with all of the possession that we have had in the past 2 games, we need to convert that possession into goals when we are on top, but that is impossible when we aren't even creating chances 1 in 3 games says it all.
I cannot see that we will score a reasonable amount of goals and we will concede because of our need to convert nil/nil into wins or chasing the game because we have conceded.
In the last two games we’ve had 34 attempts at goal. You seem to be disregarding anything that isn’t a ‘perfect’ chance like a one on one, whereas the majority of goals don’t come from what you’re calling clear cut chances.
None of the goals we’ve conceded have been incredible chances borne out of some amazing piece of creativity.
You’ve illustrated my point perfectly by saying we’ve had one chance in three games - well we scored three goals from that ‘one chance’
Point being the problem isn’t a lack of creativity per se. A lack of being able to turn those opportunities - whether you deem them ‘clear cut’ or not - into goals, yes.
But also like I keep saying, if you keep putting yourself in a position where you have to score two or three each game just to get something out of the game, you ain’t gonna win much.
All good teams are hard to score against, and we are absolutely piss easy to score against.
Just like last season
And the season before
And the season before
I agree with you that the problem isn’t necessarily defensive personnel. It’s a symptom of the flawed system we are insistent on playing, a symptom of the fact that we don’t have a single defensive midfielder at the club, and a symptom of the fact that we lack any kind of fight when out of possession.
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18 minutes ago, Esmond Million's Bung said:
That is classed as a miss, as Brendan Rogers found out at Liverpool.
I think you are clutching at straws, as I said I cannot recall one decent chance, we did get in behind but the delivery was appalling, even you cannot argue with the stats, we did not create one clear cut chance, that is a fact, the best chance might have been the one that Paterson got stuck under his foot but he wasn't strong enough.
I have already said that we were unlucky but that is all we were, the bottom line we do not create enough clear cut goal scoring chances and once more that is born out by the stats, in our 3 league matches so far we have actually created one clear cut chance and presumably that was our first at Bolton.
Also I do not agree with your finger pointing at the defence, both goals came from initially from situations where he had control of the ball in the opponents half and both goals were down to piss weak defending by Hunt, defenders have to be far stronger.
I don’t disagree that we could and should create more. But like I said you shouldn’t have to score 2 goals every game just to salvage a point. We’ll score a reasonable amount of goals this season IMO but once again it’ll be goals against that will be our downfall.
Just like 17/18
Just like 16/17
Just like 15/16
Simply have not learned.
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6 minutes ago, Esmond Million's Bung said:
Sorry I cannot remember a decent chance, not what you call a nailed on goal scoring opportunity, all of our chances were half chances and that is backed up by the stats that show:-
Attack
Clear-Cut Chances
03Well we hit the woodwork two or three times so you can’t get much closer. Weimann had a decent chance first half and we got in behind loads in the second half. Sadly we seem afraid to shoot at times.
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2 minutes ago, Esmond Million's Bung said:
I didn't mean you.
What I saw last week was we were slow and predictable in our build up, before running out of ideas and before going 2-0 down. Never looking like we would ever score.
This week I saw far more of high press/higher tempo build up before running out of ideas in the first half and looking more threatening, which apart from the ongoing running out of ideas bit was an improvement IMHO.
In the 2nd half today I saw more movement in and around the opponents box than the first half but the same running out of ideas and poor delivery as the first half and first hour of last week.
Ergo for me the problem is the same as it has been for me for more than 2 seasons (more like 3 seasons) we lack creativity around the opponents box to make our possession based game work, I don't think LJ sees it that way, so for me because I believe our squad is weaker than last then this season is going to be a very long slog.
Fair points. Thought I do think that we were actually pretty unlucky in front of goal today. We actually did create a few decent chances and didn’t really get that bit of luck.
For me the problems are so much worse at the other end of the pitch. 4 out of our 5 goals conceded in the league were just desperately poor defending.
Yea I’d like to see us be more clinical but we didn’t lack opportunity today.
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28 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said:
We did show some spirit
But don’t be deceived by the fact Middlesnpborough were happy to sit there on their 2-0 lead without breaking sweat
Agreed but I think on the whole our performance was considerably better. There were times when Boro could barely get out of their half, and they were even trying to do it(!)
22 minutes ago, Esmond Million's Bung said:I said exactly the same last week and was told that we apparently never changed the way we played and we played exactly the same way.
If you mean me I didn’t say we didn’t change the way that we played, just that we weren’t exactly playing badly prior, unlike today when we were second best for most of the first half
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Deserved something out of that second half in fairness. If we’d have played that way from the start we may have actually got something from the game.
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So much better second half. Why do we have to wait until 2 down to play this way?
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1 minute ago, paul_fox said:
He's had 2 shocking runs while here and a third going. He'd have been sacked after the first at most clubs
Not a chance he survives a third.
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Sad thing is Boro haven’t even been good. They haven’t needed to be to comfortably beat us.
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25 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said:
Eh? You described an incident in yesterday’s game as the “World’s most stonewall penalty” and then when someone said it wasn’t a pen as Elliason dived you replied that “you were just going by the commentator’s reaction” - then you call out people who form opinions based on third party info....strange....
I was watching the stream and it looked an absolute certain penalty. When the Bolton commentators started talking about what a blatant penalty it was this - funnily enough - made me think it was indeed a penalty.
I’m not even going to ask what on earth made you want to pull me up on this some 30 hours later, but clearly someone’s living it up on a Sunday night
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2 minutes ago, The Original OTIB said:
Baker shocking on the corner, watched the ball go by for the second then inexplicably jumped over nothing! Bizarre...
Baker really confuses me. At times he looks quality and other times it’s like he genuinely can’t even be bothered to try.
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4 minutes ago, Esmond Million's Bung said:
And cannot recall a worthwhile chance before we went 2-0 down, you must agree that as soon as we went 2-0 down and started to inject some pace and playing with passion instead of the boring, negative, languid getting nowhere things improve WTF wait until we are 2-0 down?, Paterson (the goal apart) was poor yet again, Bolton were shit, our final ball, crossing, free kicks, corners and long balls were poor all day and the facts about LJ are irrefutable.
What was harsh?
The fact that you basically said we were awful which we weren’t. Bar one really poor spell we were completely dominant in both halves and never looked under threat. We weren’t clinical enough given the amount of the ball we had, I agree, but we’re also without our main striker so that’s not altogether surprising, is it?
Of course there are always going to be things to be improved on, and we’re not always going to get what we deserve out of games. But I saw many more positives than negatives. Some people love to fixate only on the negatives and that’s their prerogative.
I agree that Paterson was poor.
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1 minute ago, The Original OTIB said:
Why not? Zero bravery in the box in the air today. I think Watkins might get a few though, he looks a warrior to me. We were told that we were recruiting leaders. He and Hunt look like they might step up on that regard. We need Pack to get more vocal to add to his game. He certainly leads by example at the moment though.
We don’t have many big players? I wouldn’t say we have zero bravery, simply that it was always going to be an uphill battle trying to beat Bolton on physicality alone.
Agree on Watkins I thought he looked excellent (despite reading on here that he was useless and a wasted signing before he’d kicked a ball)
Hunt looks great with the ball going forwards.
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2 minutes ago, old_eastender said:
There were some positives, we controlled the game in the first half, with only a couple of snapshots from Josh and an over hit cross against the woodwork to show for it, because of no real support for Weimann who was working his socks off again.
The frustration is it's a game we should won, Taylor in the No.10 role instead of Pato , or Eisa alongside Weimann and we probably could have turned our 70% possession in the first half into goals.
A much fairer assessment. We controlled both halves bar a terrible short spell in the second IMO.
Lack of end product was disappointing but I see plenty of evidence that when the new boys bed in a bit more, and Diedhiou is back, we’ll get better.
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4 minutes ago, The Original OTIB said:
might even attack a corner, 10 today and Bolton dealt with most of it very easily. That is a downside, no great threat from corners. Nobody brave enough in the box.
To be fair we’re never going to out-head Bolton are we. We’re not that kind of team, and obviously the threat of Flint has been removed.
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3 minutes ago, Esmond Million's Bung said:
Did you watch the game or listen to a commentary?
Watched
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1 minute ago, RedorDead BCFC said:
When Diedhiou is back I suspect Patterson would be dropped with Weimann playing in his role. It’s just a waiting game to Diedhiou returns.
Diedhiou is going to thrive off of Eliasson. Not sure what he was taking in pre season but he looks a different player.
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1 minute ago, Esmond Million's Bung said:
Remind me of a good chance before we were 2-0 down?
16 attempts on goal Es. I don’t know what the average in this league is but I’d wager it’s considerabky above it.
Making them count is another matter of course but that wasn’t my point. We never looked remotely troubled at 0-0.
Maybe it was complacency.
But it’s still frustrating to see people fail to take any kind of positive when there were lots there today for those willing to see them.
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Queens Park Rangers v Bristol City Match Day 4
in The Havanatopia Match Day Archive
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I’m sure he is aware and won’t like it. But I still think that’s it’s not in isolation a very useful stat.
Extreme examples of course - but if you only create one CCC per game but are excellent defensively and prolific when those chances do come then you may win the league. Whereas you may play scintillating attacking football and create 5 CCC per game, but if you squander more than you take and can’t keep the ball out of your own net you may well get relegated.
All that aside let’s just hope for a positive performance and result tonight. I think the reaction to Saturday was massively over the top, however I do appreciate the fact that it’s not just about these 3 games this season.