ExiledAjax

Just now, Robbored said:

I’m sure that was taken in consideration when the ‘no replays’ was decided. Ultimately it’s a ‘swings and roundabouts’ dilemma.

I'm 99.99% sure it wasn't considered at all.

If PL clubs are truly concerned about fixture congestion then they could have said something against the Champions League going from 6 group games to 8.

But no. Obviously they'd like to trade a nasty FA Cup replay against a side like Port Vale for a nice little earner in UEFA competition.

23 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said:

Yeah - I'm not sure anything has fundamentally changed since January. He presumably knew we were a mid-table Championship club when he signed and we're a mid-table Championship club now. 

And if he was after a mid-table championship club then oh boy has he made a great decision.

The fact that it's announced in conjunction with a £33m contract between the FA and the PL tells you exactly which clubs have asked for the changes.

PL clubs don't want fewer fixtures. They want fewer non-profitable, unwatched fixtures. 

Scrapping replays delivers greater certainty over the winter fixture list, and should allow a little expansion of say the UEFA conference league or some other manner of helping a couple more PL clubs squeeze into Europe.

5 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

Pub options near Kennilworth Road are woeful. And to be honest it isn't much better at Stamford Bridge!

Griffin Park - now you're talking! And even the new ground has an easy walk to some lovely old pubs in Kew Village. 

My favourite away ground - although I won't be travelling there this visit - is Carrow Road. Near the city centre and not too far from the station, nice waterside pubs nearby and some cracking bars and restaurants. Far away enough to be a real jaunt. I usually stay over as I'm a big fan of the city and Norfolk on general. 

They don't all tick every box.

I've made a late decision to see if I can get the wife's approval for a Carrow Road visit this Saturday. My Best Man lives in Norwich and we do a little lunch/beers/football day every now and then. It's been too long.

3 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Good OP.

Funny how fans perceptions change too…sometimes when the player is missing, sometimes when they’re in the team.

I think the “Steady Eddies” have shone through this season, Tanner, O’Leary, Jamo (6 or 7 out 10 every week).  Dickie has been steadily excellent (7, 8, 9)

But we’ve also had some world beater / panel beaters too.  Pring has had some very good games, but some bloody awful games too.

And then some that fall in between, not always consistent, generally decent, but the odd shocker.

Bristol City in a nutshell.

And Mehmeti. He's also a player.

51 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said:

I also like The Valley

Ah yeh another excellent stadium with an unusual element where you enter the away end half way up the stand.

2 hours ago, Robbored said:

My views exactly PF. The one stadium that impressed me in recent years was the Ricoh. Its ‘D’ design was particularly unique - plus of course that City usually did pretty well there.

Fair enough if the Ricoh impressed you. For me it's an out of town bowl stuck between a bunch of A roads. I don't think there's a single pub within a 10 minute walk from it.

Then inside theres that massive white wall down one side that kills any chance of an atmosphere coming from all sides. It's a dead stadium in my opinion and can't hold a candle to some of the others being discussed in this thread.

9 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said:

I think we've done relatively well with the AG rebuild in balancing both, it's not perfect but given the limitations I think it's pretty good.

I agree that AG strikes a very good balance between quality of stadium, location, size, facilities. It's not perfect, it's not what it once was, and it's not the absolute best that it could be. But you'll never build something that please everyone.

My understanding is that away fans often compliment it and TV companies like it (boo hiss, but this is important). Basically it seems popular with outsiders of all persuasions.

50 minutes ago, SecretSam said:

News of Portsmouth's promotion, and comments about 'a proper ground' lead me to wonder: exactly what is a 'good ground' these days? There's still apparently a lot of love for old grounds, despite drawbacks (legroom, facilities, accessibility) because they are deemed to offer a better 'atmosphere'. Or maybe it's the classic British disease of nostalgia?

For me, I like a ground where I can see, there's reasonable comfort (I'm paying solid money, so expect my 173cm frame to be accommodated), the loos are OK and the stands are tight to the pitch. I'm genuinely not bothered about standing at my age (55) unless the tickets are very cheap.

What are your thoughts?

I'll be honest and say that in addition to the factors you point out - sight lines, comfort, tight to the pitch -  a huge part of it for me is the area surrounding the ground.

Stadiums that are set in the heart of a city, surrounded by characterful pubs and bars, a variety of food options, within an interesting walk from a railway station, those are special. Places like the old Griffin Park, Kenilworth Road, St James Park (both Exeter and Newcastle), the City Ground, even somewhere like Stamford Bridge or the Emirates. The atmosphere at these grounds begins outside the gates and it's often wonderful.

It's because Liam Manning, Howard Webb, and Nigel Pearson are actual involved in a bitter and twisted love triangle involving a piece of Mendip woodland, David Moyes' holiday home in San Sebastian, and Mark Clattenburg's box at the Gladiators filming set.

It's messy, and I've already said too much really, but the long and the short of it is Pearson doesn't get penalties and Manning gets them like confetti.

13 minutes ago, fisherrich said:

We might hear something this summer?

It depends how long any negotiations and legals take. Generally I'd expect the sale of a business of the value and complexity of Bristol City/Sport to take around 6 months to complete.

If the hypothetical deal has already been hypothetically agreed then completion before next season kicks off is possible if people pull 80 hour weeks, don't piss about, and the EFL is happy with the new owner/investor.

If not...well go look at Everton and 777 for an indication of how long things can take!

On 11/03/2024 at 09:20, ExiledAjax said:

I might have been a bit harsh here and I'll give some alternative KPIs.

1. Over the final 9 games I want to see:

1.a. an average of 13 shots per game (current average is 11.5); 12 so far. Better than the 11.5, but not quite where I want it.

1.b. an average of 4 shots on target per game (current average is 3.6); 4.83. Excellent. and

1.c. average xG from open play of 0.9 per game (current average is 0.71) overall xG average is 1.38 which is very good. Take off 3 penalties and you get an average of 1.02. So success here as well so far.

2. Name a full subs bench in every game. The season's done in terms of competition, so let's blood some youngsters. Fail. I'm not sure on the bench point, but he's definitely not been blooding the youth.

3. Let's target 3 clean sheets in the final 9 games. Achieved with 3 games to spare!

As I say, this season is gone, done, all but finished, so let's focus on improving and finishing on an upward trajectory. That will lay good groundwork for whoever is in charge in 2024/25.

@Numero Uno yeh he's ticking most of your boxes isn't he.

I looked at mine as well as above.

2 ticks, one cross, one looking good, one tick so far but could drop off potentially.

Not bad really.

I can't imagine he's got much love for Bristol City. 

12 minutes ago, Street red said:

Still pretty pants for the size of Bristol we should be hitting 20k season ticket holders at least. But I'm not sure where you got that figure from can't see it myself.

I think we'd start a waiting list before we got to 20k.

20k, plus needing to allow for a maximum away allocation of about 3,000, leaves only about 3,000 for POTD.

I reckon at around 18.5k we'd start taking about waiting lists, loyalty points etc.

3 minutes ago, Barrs Court Red said:

The thought did cross my mind, but in respect to an investor rather than a sale. 

Sure, that's an option too. My original statement would still apply.

1 minute ago, Barrs Court Red said:

Is it seriously up for sale though? The language used by Jon during the Pearson debacle suggested not to me. 

Absolutely is. I have a suspicion that Steve's presence at a few recent games isn't just about him wanting to see how Manning is getting on.

While the club is seriously up for sale I don't think we're going to get many interviews that go into much depth. They won't want to contradict (deliberately or accidentally) in public something that a prospective buyer might hear privately. Certainly don't expect to hear from Steve or Marshall. We might get Jon doing a pretty glossy puff-piece about how great it was to see the U18s lose to Man City in the semi-final.

Probably our best hope is to keep hearing from Tinnion and hoping he just accidentally tells us all how much the budget is, who we're bidding on, what the menu is for the end of season dinner, and what Steve eats for breakfast.

Fair play to people who have a life that allows them the time to watch constant football. Genuinely I'm happy for you to have the time that allows you to indulge your hobby. That's not meant to come across as facetious.

I guess so long as there's enough of you guys around (and there clearly are) to watch the adverts during the game we'll keep going with more and more football shown on TV.

40 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

EFL Teams of the season:

Can only really talk to this as I'm not up on L1 and L2.

Can't argue too much with the front 6, although Whittaker has gone off the boil a little in the second half of the season. 

Davis is correct imo, and it's good to see Hermansen get the shout in goal, although I think Rushworth would have an excellent case to make as well. Johansson has had an incredibly tough gig at Rotherham as well, but I guess they can't put the guy who's conceded 85 goals in, even if he's also saved 175 other shots!

I'd probably have Ng for Walker-Peters as well, but I assume they felt they had to have a Southampton player in there?

Greaves ok, but Ampadu as the CB partner is... intriguing and probably where most of us would have a bit of a debate. With a healthy dose of City bias coursing through my veins I argue for Dickie but I think there's probably a bit of contention in those positions?

Personally yes it's too much.

I've all but stopped following the Premier League now that it's on all the time, by extension I don't watch European football either, and honestly have very little interest in the Euros, partly because I don't know the players.

I've gone from following pretty much all of that, plus City, ten years ago, to following City plus a bit of the wider EFL.

Football being on every day isn't the only reason, but it's definitely harder to follow the overall league when games are on all the time. You don't get those couple of days to digest the full round of games anymore, because the games from last night are immediately out of date and focus shifts to tonight.

Likewise a show like MOTD either shows just 3 or 4 games, or covers games from 3 days ago.

With life, work, kids, and everything else, its incredibly hard to follow a soap opera that's on every day.

Just my experience, at my age, in my situation.

13 minutes ago, Capman said:

So I don’t know what the right answer is, but that is because I think the club needs to be more specific about its objective. Once you know what your target is, I would only measure how far over or under it you are. 

And I've said before that we got a good steer on this from Tinnion on SoTC when he said we should be "about ten points better off". Given what we were on at that time this implied that 1.54ppg is the target. 

1.54 * 47 = 71 points. Which happens to be a total that gives you a good stab at 6th place in an average season.

10 minutes ago, Capman said:

Clubs will get better as training and fitness improves.

But not exponentially. The points required to finish 6th is not going to constantly keep improving until it hits 100. There is a level, probable by looking at the history of this ancient league, that we know will give us a good chance of finishing 6th.

Yes, we have to improve relative to both ourselves and the other 23 teams, but I believe that when we compare present Bristol City to past Bristol City it makes sense to look more at raw points return and finishing position than it does to look at gaps to 6th or 22nd place.

3 hours ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

They may well be. 

They may however go even faster. 

I'm happy with my own metric of points from play offs. Neither of us are right. It's our own opinions. 

If a team finishes 7th on goal difference but then finishes the next season in 7th but 5 points off the play offs, that's regression. 

Coventry for example should hit the same points total as last season. However its not likely they will miss out on the play offs by X amount of points. 

I consider that to be a regression. You have to not only keep up with the opposition but improve more than the opposition. If you stand still you're likely to go backwards, just like Coventry. 

 

Ok. I strongly disagree.

What if we finish on more points, but the gap to relegation is smaller? Hell what if the gap to both promotion and relegation is smaller? Are either of those signs of progression?

Just like the discussion some of us had about form, I don't think it's right to measure progress against an arbitrary and moveable level achieved by another team.

Just now, Ian M said:

Pretty similar to the overall league table.

 

Haha. Probably because he's been in charge for 2/3 of the season!

1 minute ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

It's like saying Mercedes have got faster this year so thats progression. 

When the reality is Red Bull have got even faster. 

But, to use your analogy, next season Red Bull may well be slower. 

So, if we just keep getting faster ourselves, then eventually one season, we'll be fast enough to beat them.

The average for 6th place is what about 73? So just concentrate on getting closer to that and we'll get our chance at some point.

3 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

Is it? When the gap to the play offs has so far got wider? 

I'd say yes.

The number of points achieved by the team in 6th is something outside of our control. Next season it could be 68, maybe one season it might be 75. I don't think it's the best yardstick to use to measure year on year progress.

What is in our control - so far as it can be when we play other teams who have their own ideas - is our own points tally.

That's probably going to very slightly improve on last season. So yeh it can be argued to be progress in terms of raw points output.

The more interesting discussion is around the reasons for that very slight improvement.